This entry was posted on Tuesday, May 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm and is filed under Crime, Haleigh Cummings. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not allowed.
Crime, mysteries, and adventures on the high seas
Top 20 Blog
WHAT’S NEW IN THE HALEIGH CUMMINGS CASE PART 3
Author: Steven Kerry Brown29.05.2012
This is the third installment of an interview I did with “Jane” in the Putnam County Jail. The next post will contain a copy of the signed statement she gave me. I have it on good authority that the PCSO has been interviewing “Jane.” What she told them I don’t know, but as I understand from non-LE sources, she has confirmed some of what she told me. The exact details of what she’s confirmed to them I don’t know because the PCSO doesn’t talk to me. As I mentioned before, it is a one-way-street between the PCSO and myself. Nevertheless, I’m heartened to know that “Jane” has confirmed some of this story to them. I don’t know what steps they have taken beyond that. I won’t speculate on the significance of this material. But it appears to me that we have two more witnesses to the fact that Misty was indeed home at the mobile home on Green Lane the night that Haleigh disappeared.
I believe the photo below of Joe Overstreet below comes from Cranky Crankerson’s photo bucket and I appreciate all of the photos that he and others have archived. This photo was found by one of the loyal posters on this blog.
Steve: OK What else you got, anything else?
Jane: Hum, no that’s….
Steve: Where did you and Greg go after, um, where did you spend that night?
Jane: We went back to Stokes Landing, Chad Elliot’s house.
Steve: OK. OK. Now, did you see Joe Overstreet with a knife, like a knife on his belt or anything like that? A pocket knife?
Jane: And she kept on saying she knows her cousin did it. She knows he did it. She knows so. And then it’s funny because all of a sudden he just left out of Florida.
Steve: Yeah, the next day.
Jane: The next day he left out of Florida. So I know, I mean it’s obvious.
Steve: OK. I find it interesting that you recall them coming out of that side door, but that’s what you saw, right?
Jane: That night, um, he always carries a knife on his pocket.
Steve: So you’ve met Joe before?
Jane: Yeah, like I’ve seen him before. But yeah, he is always using it to clean his nails out and stuff like that, but yes he always has a knife on him. That is also in the Affidavit.
Joe Hanging Flyers
Jane: Yeah, that’s what I saw.
Steve: But you didn’t see any car or vehicle parked over there?
Jane: I didn’t recall, I didn’t see no, unless they were parked, unless we were parked some type of way we might not see it.
Steve: You might not, you may not have been able to have seen it from the driveway, you might have. I don’t think you can actually see the door, but you could see them coming out of the side there.
Jane: Yeah. The way we were parked I’m not sure, but. Yes. But it was them three there and we was serving them cocaine and beans. Well Gregory Page was.
Steve: Cocaine and beans?
Jane: Ecstasy pills.
Steve: That’s what you call ecstasy, beans?
Jane: Yes, that’s what Gregory Page was serving them. I never touched it. That’s what he served.
Steve: Do you know, now, did Gregory every tell the Sheriff’s Office this stuff you were talking about?
Jane: Yeah, he has been on the news about it.
Steve: I know but I’ve never heard before now that…
Jane: I don’t think he is telling them that he served them.
Steve: Yeah. I don’t think I’ve ever heard before, I mean I’ve been working this case for a long time, that, um Tommy and Joe Overstreet were over there at 7 or 8 o’clock at night.
Jane: Yeah, they were there. They was there.
Steve: I wonder where were Tommy’s little kids?
Jane: Tommy’s little kids are probably inside with Haleigh and them. The kids were inside probably watching TV or playing.
Steve: You never went inside so you don’t know.
Jane: I never went inside. I always stayed outside in the car watching them.
Mobile Home on Green Lane
Steve: And you didn’t see Haleigh at all?
Jane: Just talked to them.
Steve: Hum?
Jane: I just said I was just talking to Misty and them. That was it.
Steve: Yeah.
Jane: Seen them all out there. I was there that night it happened. That’s why I was so shocked when it happened, I was like, I was just over there. That’s why Misty, um, Nay Nay was like talk to him because you was there, you know.
Steve: Yeah. OK. Well what I’m going to do is ask them to un-handcuff you because then I want you to write out just a few sentences and sign it, OK? In case something disappears. So I’m going to pause this for a minute. Alright.
Steve: OK, um, so Jane, just gave me a signed statement as to the things we have talked about.
As you can see from above, Nay Nay encouraged “Jane” to talk to me. I give credit to Kristina Prevatt, aka Nay Nay for doing the right thing and suggesting to “Jane” that she call me, which she did.
In the next installment we’ll talk about “Jane’s” time in the St. Johns County jail when she was in the same Pod as Misty and what Jane says that Misty told her.
149 Responses to “WHAT’S NEW IN THE HALEIGH CUMMINGS CASE PART 3”
Leave a Reply
You must be logged in to post a comment.
May 30th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Jane: Yeah, like I’ve seen him before. But yeah, he is always using it to clean his nails out and stuff like that, but yes he always has a knife on him. That is also in the Affidavit.
This statement is pretty interesting in many ways…
one is that Jane has seen Joe before..he arrived on jan.30-31 spent that Sunday with Ron and the Croslin boys watching the superbowl (this is confirmed by the gun story) then he left either late Feb. 10 or 11. Usual week vacation nothing strange about leaving since he came with someone else who drove…we know Misty was out of the MH on Thursday feb.5 and didnt return until either Sunday or Monday feb.8-9. Joe was staying with the older Croslins on Magnolia (Shell Harbor until the car wreck on Sat. then he went to Timmys) he had no transportation so you have to wonder how Jane saw him…Tommy, Timmy and Hank all were working during this time…Jane said she knew none of the Croslins except Misty in passing..and what affidavit is she talking about??
I have only heard of one and it was from Joe Pytko not Joe overstreet..Wonder if Jane has her Joes mixed up??? hmmm. jmo
May 30th, 2012 at 10:08 am
The affidavit Jane is talking about, you’ll understand that better after the next post. I’ll post a copy of the “affidavit” she gave me, really a signed statement in the next post. It’ll be explained then. It’s an interesting story and one I had not heard about before.
May 30th, 2012 at 10:09 am
I also wonder why NayNay would encourage this girl to tell what she knew? Is it really because she cares or is it because NayNay wants to distance herself from the area…now I believe NayNay knew Joe since she was around Misty that week and weekend Joe was there..heck they probably even partied together..and Misty knows this girl was there, why would she recant her Joe story if she had a witness ( actually 2 Greg and Jane) putting Joe at the MH that night???? jmo
May 30th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Someone should ask Misty and Jane to describe this knife. See if they match.
May 30th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I don’t know why Misty recanted the JO did it story but I can see why she wouldn’t admit to the drug deals that Jane is talking about. TN and her minions worked very hard at trying to give the public the false impression that they (RC, Misty and kids) were the perfect little family. AS too. Remember she said Misty was more mature than some 30 yr olds? TN was literally gushing in that video that has been posted and discussed a few times here. Misty was the best gf RC ever had, blah blah.
Admitting to buying and using drugs in front of the kids (if indeed, they were there…I’m still not convinced because no one saw them) would blow the perfect family image sky high and Misty would 1.) have to admit that she wasn’t better than Haleigh’s REAL mother after all, and 2.) she’d have to deal w/ the wrath of Cummings and his despicable family. MO
May 30th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Imo, Nay Nay, WBG and Jane are what they are…drug addicts and petty criminals. But at least they don’t TRY to be something they’re not. Contrast that against Cummings who swore on national TV that he doesn’t do drugs or hit women and children and Misty who had little to say in the beginning besides, ‘I dint do nuttin”. MVSO
May 30th, 2012 at 11:47 am
The above comment will make more sense when the one in spam is posted.
May 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Grace that is one truth Misty more tahn likely did tell…the Cummings are all on drugs..good reason to Protect Misty and Ron..so their own skeletons are not aired. After seeing how many seniors down there get busted it wouldnt surprise me at all if AS and TN werent dealing too. jmo
May 30th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Tobias- Seniors got busted down there for drugs? Lol, I didn’t know that but it doesn’t surprise me and I wouldn’t be surprised if TN and AS were dealing/using too. MO
May 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Just saw this on the front page-
Donate to Steve Brown’s Bone Marrow Transplant Fund
Steve, after two years of chemo for Leukemia, enters a Bone Marrow Transplant program at Shands Cancer Hospital at the University of Florida Gainesville, next week. He is going to blog about his transplant experience. Help Steve with some of the $500,000 in expenses by donating here.
Get well soon, SKB.
May 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Oh I am so sorry, I will be praying for you SKB. Sadly I know a bit about what you are getting ready for….but it does work alot of the time..stay strong, we are all here for you.
May 31st, 2012 at 8:20 am
The question comes up as it did here, why Nay Nay would encourage Jane to talk to me. Well, I like Nay Nay. Yeah, she has a drug problem (I presume), yeah, she works as an “escort” but still, most of the people I’ve encountered in this case are good hearted people with the exception of a couple. They all have problems, mostly drug/money related problems. But inside, despite their actions, they have good hearts. In my book, The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Private Investigating, I mentioned that when I was with the FBI I arrested, a bunch of folks over those 11 years. Some of them we convicted of the most heinous crimes. But when I a arrested them, during the car ride to the jail, I had a chance to talk with them about their lives etc. Bottom line, I never arrested a person I didn’t like.
So for Nay Nay to encourage to Jane to come and talk to me. Well, she knows right from wrong, and I think she thinks like the rest of us about Haleigh. Poor Haleigh, let’s resolve this case and bring Haleigh home and give closure to Haleigh’s relatives.
May 31st, 2012 at 9:41 am
That’s a rare quality SKB, and something to aspire to. I was brought up to dislike the action but not the person but in all honesty, I don’t think I’m there yet.
If I have a soft spot for anyone in this case, it would be for Nay Nay. I won’t even try to explain why. MO
May 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
http://youtu.be/XqKjosaetfM
This tape was right after Misty failed her LDT, she also says she told the Joe story because everyone was putting it in her head…what a load of hoooey.
Hank says they all sat around talking about it POSSIBLY being Joe in the very beginning, this proves it was all discussed before Misty and Tommy told everyone the Shell Harbor story…LE knows it is a lie because Misty failed the LDT, in my opinion they did the search to shake the bushes just to see if anything fell out and it failed, no one confessed or told any truth that could be proven (there was nothing to find because it was all a lie to get time off the drug charges).jmo
May 31st, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Oh and its real interesting that Hank says Timmy was told by Lindsys grandpa that there is a search of the Dunns Creek bridge for Haleigh. And Timmy is claiming the information came from Misty, which she denies ( remember Tommy has not yet jumped on the Joe did it story yet so it couldnt be him telling this to LE..)Hank also relayed this info to Tommy, this was easy for Tommy to keep track of what Misty was saying even behind bars…they more than likely narrowed it down to places Joe knew about Dunns Creek and Shell Harbor ( Joe probably fished with them there while he visited). Heck Hank even has sense to know Junior couldnt sleep through any of the crap Misty and Tommy were telling. jmo
May 31st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I wounder who she means when she says “people in this place…” It’s around the 6:10 mark. Hank asks her if it was the cops and she says no. Other inmates?
May 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I’ve found Jane’s interviews very interesting.
I do have a bit of a problem, I guess you could say, with her story. In one of the blogs that was posted, it was said that Misty spent six or seven hundred dollars that evening. (From Part 2):
Jane: I just know quite a few. A little bit. She would have spent, um, at least that night, she would spend at least six or seven hundred.
Steve: Six or seven hundred?
Jane: Yes, that night.
Steve: Oh really? Where did she get the money from, do you know?
Jane: I have no idea. She used to trick.
Here is my issue. Misty had no money. She was just coming off her party weekend the evening HaLeigh disappeared. IF (and that is a big if) she had any money, she would have spent it that weekend. And if she had any money, I doubt she would have been asking Ronald to come home. She would have stayed out and continued partying. Not gone “home” to responsibilities and two kids. She certainly did not have six or seven hundred dollars to blow on drugs.
Jane mentioned that she “used to” trick. That may be true. Whether or not she did is really irrelevant as far as I’m concerned because if she did, any money she may have made would have been long gone. Misty doesn’t seem the type to save her money for a rainy day.
Mr. Brown, is Jane hoping to get anything in return for telling her story to PCSO at this point – much like Tommy did for telling them that he went to the MH that night and Misty was not home? I know that she was not the one to approach them (or anyone), which makes me more inclined to believe parts of her story. I’m just wondering if maybe she is exaggerating some. Or if Greg brought Misty some drugs for free. Or fronted them to her (not $600-700 worth).
Also Mr. Brown, sending you best wishes with regards to your health!
May 31st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
JO left the AM of the 10th. If you listen to or read the transcript of his interview about that day, he tells all the details of that AM. He says LE took everything I owned that I had with me and LE also searched the car I came down here in. He stated on his way out of town LE released his belongings and he waited at a gas station where family members brought his belonging to him. Originally AH reported that LE retrieved items/clothes JO threw away in a dumpster at a gas station when he left that day. (IIRC that was later retracted). The poster hanging by JO and MC in the picture shown was a photo op set up by media at that gas station/quick mart where JO waited for his personal items. He stated he left town from there. JO himself says he left as soon as LE was done questioning him on the AM of the 10th. As we all have heard he was scheduled to leave that AM.
May 31st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Steven Kerry Brown Says:
May 31st, 2012 at 8:20 am
==================================================
Thank you for sharing your opinions of NaNa and the other people you have spent time with in this case.
I have a problem with that part of this case. I think I see many of them as victims of circumstances. I do feel bad for a lot of them. A lot of these people don’t have many choices in their lives. They do things we all think are disgusting and terrible. That is their way of life. That is what they do to survive and to kill their pain. But I bet they wished they had better lives. I bet the dream of just simple and normal , a lot. The drugs, well that is an illness. No one would choose drug addition. It happens to good people from good environments too. It is so hard for me to believe that some of these young people would do anything to harm HaLeigh. To me they just do not seem to be that kind of people. I think that is why many things do not make sense to me. Most of the females in this case were just uneducated young girls with out any family structure or good moral examples or upbringing. But are they child killers? I just can not accept the possibility that they are. JMO Call me stupid, crazy or naive but in my mind I still think a callous opportunist SO or man abducted this child and no one knows for sure who that was or what he did with her. JMO
May 31st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Barb, that is correct. Joe was scheduled to leave.
Everything Joe had with him was examined and released by LE even Jennifers car that they traveled in.
It was the Croslins that told AH that Joe would not return to the home and he threw his stuff in the trash. Then AH got confirmation of what really happened and changed it up.
My problem is if Jane did not know the Croslins and had only met Misty a couple of times, then how the heck does she speak as if she knew Joe O for a long period of time? Something dont sound right here to me.
If she knew Joe so well to know he always had that knife on his belt then she would have known the Croslin boys equally the same. This was Joes first time to Satsuma,Fl. Misty talks in the LVA how Joe did not know his way around.
Misty had been hanging with NN since feb 3rd,2009,maybe even sooner. It was this day NN got stopped in front of WBGs mothers home.This was a Tuesday. Ronald threw Misty out on the 5th of feb 2009 which was a Thursday.
NN may have partied with Joe some before She and Mistys excursion for the weekend.jmo
Mr.Brown my prayers are with you and your family. Get well very soon.
June 1st, 2012 at 12:49 am
In part 2 Jane says-
Jane: Yeah, she keeps wiping her nose like, she would wipe her nose constantly talking about it’s good powder, wiping her nose, it’s good powder, it’s good powder. So there is no way she could have fell asleep. But then again she said she knows her cousin did it because he would rape her. He raped her before.
Steve: Misty?
Jane: Yeah.
Steve: But not Haleigh, Misty you mean?
Jane: Yeah, he raped Misty before, duh, duh, duh so she knows he did it. So I’m like, OK and that’s when I, that’s when I rung the bell so to speak.
Steve: Did she ever say she saw him do it?
Jane: No she never said she saw him do it. She said she knows he did it though.
I assume Misty told her this when they were locked up together. Does anyone know when that was? Because in the link tobias posted #14 she is talking to Hank about why she told the JO did it story. There are 6 parts to that visit and I watched all 6 of them. She talks about a dream and “people in this place” kept telling her what to say. Who is she talking about? That visit was on 3/30/10. Hank tells her it was just a dream. Neither one of them sound like they think JO did anything to Haleigh. I’d like to know when she talked to Jane in St John’s. Misty was sentenced in Oct ’10.
June 1st, 2012 at 1:02 am
I don’t know how Jane would know that JO “always” had a knife on him. Maybe that was something Misty told her?
June 1st, 2012 at 1:27 am
I have given some thought to Jane having some confusion on what she was told happened and what she may have actually witnessed. Maybe some of what she was told, some of what was seen in the Media reports and some of what she did see herself. I mean 3 years and a lot of drugs later she could have some confusion right? Plus I am wondering if Jane was on some of those drugs herself that day… Possible
June 1st, 2012 at 2:00 am
It sounds to me as tho Jane believed what Misty told her.
Jane: Yeah, he raped Misty before, duh, duh, duh so she knows he did it. So I’m like, OK and that’s when I, that’s when I rung the bell so to speak.
That makes no sense to me…he raped Misty so he did it. That’s a mighty big leap, imo, and zero critical thinking skills but it seemed to make sense to Jane.
Imo all Jane really knows about JO came from Misty. She would’ve mentioned knowing him thru Nay Nay when she told SKB that she knew Misty thru Nay Nay. MO
June 1st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Grace good point on reeiterating that Jane knew Misty through NN. If she only knew Misty through NN then how does she recall knowing Joe O. and that he always cleaned his nails with the knife he kept on his belt? The only way she recalled which brother that was there and the cousin was by recognizing them in the news.
Here in this excerpt she says Joe was on the cell but a few lines down she says it was Tommy. This strange.
Steve: Her cousin, Joe Overstreet?
Jane: Yeah, he was outside on the cell phone also when I pulled up.
This is a few lines down from this quote:
Jane: No, I just know it was the cousin, um, whatâs his name?
Steve: Joe Overstreet
Jane: Joe, itâs just Joe. Yeah, Joe. OK
Steve: And Tommy Croslin and Misty were there.
Jane: Tommy was the one that was outside on the phone saying man this needs to come on quicker and then Misty said what are you talking about the drugs are here and thenâ¦
Steve: Misty said that?
Jane: Yeah, Misty said that. So they are all there. They are all getting messed up on cocaine, ecstasy pills. She kept asking the guy that was with me, which was Gregory Page, if he wanted to come stay with her for a little while, while Ronald was at work or whatever
First she says when she pulled up it was Joe on the phone and then she said it was Tommy. hmmmmmmmm.jmo
The whatever part bothers me in the sentence about greg coming back and staying with Misty a little while. Why not just stop at ” while Ron was at work” may be nothing. just my opinion.
June 1st, 2012 at 9:54 am
I agree Grace. That makes absolute sense on your post 23.jmo
June 1st, 2012 at 10:40 am
Steve: Hum. OK. So the last time you were there that night, this was the night that Haleigh disappeared, Ronald was at work and this was like 8:00 PM, 8 or 9 PM something like that, right?
Jane: Yes
Steve: And, um, Joe Overstreet was there, Tommy was there and Misty was there.
Jane: Yeah, Tommy was there. Yeah. I didnât see the girl that time. This was the third time. I didnât see her there. Maybe she was insideâ¦
This one is strange to me also. Steve asks her about Joe ,Misty and Tommy being there for the last drop off? Jane says yeah Tommy was there. She lets him know that the young girl was no longer present. She does not confirm Joe or Misty is there at this point. This question was leading about Ronald, because it is stated that ” so Ronald was at work”.
Jane said the young girl could of been inside and thats why she did not see her, but why not say that about Joe and Misty? A litle ways down she says those three were always there and came out every time, but I am going by her answer she gave on direct questioning.jmo
June 1st, 2012 at 10:56 am
I’ve always thought this was a possibility and still do. Tommy mentions it in a jail tape but I haven’t been able to find it. I’m curious if he ever mentioned it to SKB or Werter.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7993637&postcount=174
June 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am
Sorry to take the conversation in a whole different direction w/ the above post but as far as I know the retalition theory never got the attention it should have. If anyone runs across the jail tape where Tommy mentions being approached by a Mexican in jail, please let me know…I’ve been looking for it for a long time. TIA
Back to Jane. Good catch lfj. Jane does switch from JO to Tommy as being the one on the cellphone. MO
June 1st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Grace the retaliation thery is a very good possibility.
I think the times are off a lil bit and it was Ronald on the cell phone. In the hypnosis tape Misty catches herself saying she handed the phone to Ronald to talk to the a/c guy. Tobias went back and caught where its Rons phase as in to urry up and get there. It is very possible Ron needed them to hurry up because he had to get to work. He was supposed to be on the clock by 5pm per Tery Shoemaker. Shoemaker said Ro arrived a about 4:30pm. In rumor mill the pdm workr said work started that day at 4:30pm. Therefore if Ron did not clock in until 5pm he was probably late for work.jmo
thanks for that link it gies us alot to think about.jmo
June 1st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
tHANX lfj, the phrase used was they better hurry up and come on…it is used by Jane to say what she heard (tommy) saying into the phone, but in the 911 Ron says this same phrase…people have a way of using phrases that most people do not…Tommy used the phrase about his LDT while in jail but he said they need to hurry up and get this done…different from that other phrase…if he used this phrase during a stressed time it would be the same phrase..not different. And I really would like to know why Ron claimed the lock was busted side ways when we know from both Misty and LE that the door had no sign of forced entry???? jmo
June 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
I was hoping to hear Tommy use the phrase they better hurry up and come get this over with,,then it would make sense but he never used the Come on part of speech so this makes me doubt it was Tommy talking on that phone.. jmo
June 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Misty also says ink instead of ing on the words, we have all heard this in interviews. trying comes out as tryink…speech and phrases are very important signals.. like Jane saying duh duh duh and ringing the bell…jmo
June 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Ronald clearly wanted the public to think that the side door was broken into, imo. Misty said it wasn’t on the 911 call and LE said there was no sign of a break in. Then RC came out w/ the lame lock bump theory. (eyeroll)
I’ve noticed the ink for ing in Misty’s speech as well, tobias. And that could’ve been RC on the cellphone. The only problem I see is would he let WBG see him there? Unless there wasn’t the rivalry over Misty that we assumed and the hunting down of WBG wasn’t about Misty but about drugs/money?
Another thing I’ve been thinking about is RC telling Cobra that no one knew where he lived except Nay Nay. That always bothered me because according to Nay Nay he didn’t like her…called her a racial slur because she has a biracial child. But I’m sure he could put his racial purity problems aside if she could hook him up w/ some drugs. She was friends w/ WBG and probably had other drug connections as well. THAT might be the reason why she knew where he lived. Just a thought. MO
June 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
There are several things that bother me about this tell all.
First of all, I cannot see Greg so intensely interviewed by PCSO, FDLE and FBI, gone through a Poly, and the question ask of him!! “Were you at the Green Lane Residence the night Haleigh disappeared?”.. If he was there and said he wasn’t he would have failed the poly..
Second, Tommy would have had all three children with him if he were over at Misty’s.. Both the boys, and the new born infant Girl.. Taking care of an tiny infant and doing drugs at the same time.. I sort of think that Lindzy would have been having fits over this one, and the boys would have told Momma Lindzy.. So, there are elements that exist, that impact the story.. Sorry, I do have my doubts.. Hope your doing well Steve.. Your in our Prayers.
June 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Post 35
mlee Says:
June 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
You have some very good points. They have crossed my mind as well.
June 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
BeachBum, I am sure there are parts of Jane’s story that are mis-stated or inaccurate. I personally don’t think Tommy and his kids were there at that time. She didn’t know Tommy or Timmy at that time so she might have mistaken them. I do believe that she and Greg Page were there sometime that evening. Whether it was once, twice or three times I don’t know, but I think she and Greg were there that evening. Did Greg go back later? I don’t know.
As to whether Jane was expecting anything for telling me about this. I don’t think so. When she called me the first time she was in Putnam County jail but was being transferred the next day to another county jail where she was going to be released. So she was asking for bail money. I didn’t get a chance to talk her at that time. I tried to find her later but couldn’t easily locate her. I didn’t try to hard because I had no idea what she wanted to tell me. After she was back in the Putnam County jail, I went and interviewed her. I was surprised at what she was telling me. If I’d had any idea was she was going to say, I could have prepared better and might have pinned her down more on details. But that is hindsight.
I think she truly thought that after Nay Nay’s urging, she should contact me. I know the PCSO has interviewed her and my non-LE sources have told me that she has told them some of the same stuff that she told me.
June 1st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Grace, I agree. I don’t believe she knew Joe, Tommy, Timmy or Misty (other than to say “Hi.”) While Joe did carry a knife all of the time, she talks like she spent some time around him. I don’t believe that to be true. Otherwise she would have known Tommy and Timmy, in my opinion.
June 1st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
LFJ,
As for the young girl that was there. I tend to believe that part of Jane’s story. It is so out of the blue, if it’s not true why would she even think to make it up? I don’t know, but it is interesting.
June 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Grace and LFJ,
The mexican gang thing has certainly been brought up. Actually that comes up in the next installment.
June 1st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
mlee,
Well, first, all of these people have been interviewed intensely by the PCSO, FDLE and FBI. Let’s see which one has told the truth?
As to whether Grep Page failed that portion of the poly that dealt with his visits to Green Lane? Well, the results of his poly have not been released by the PCSO. If they are ever released, I think you’ll be surprised. All of these people lie.
As for whether Tommy was there or not. I asked Tommy this and he told me he has never seen Jane as far as he knows. I showed him her photo when I last visited with him last month in prison. I saw no look of recognition in his eyes when he looked at the photo. I believe him on that point and think that Jane is mistaken in her identification of Tommy. There is no doubt that Tommy was there earlier when the A/C guy was there. There is no doubt that Tommy was over there later at night/early morning of the next day. Midnight to 2 am. But I personally do not believe he was there when Jane and Greg Page were there. Just my opinion.
June 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Mr. Brown,
I was wondering if you feel it is at all possible that Jane was not with GP that day? There are some things she slips at when she speaks. Like when she said when I pulled up. She does not say we. Another thing I noticed is she calls WBG Gregory Page. Every one seems to call him white boy Greg or Greg. She refers to him in a very formal (rehearsed) way. Very unusual to hear from this girl who does not ever seem to use correct English through out this story. The transcript seems to be incomplete sentences, some um’s and a lot of repetition. But then along comes the Gregory Page stuff.
Also what was this slip about?
Jane: Seen them all out there. I was there that night it happened. That’s why I was so shocked when it happened, I was like, I was just over there. … THAT’S WHY MISTY, um, Nay Nay was like talk to him because you was there, you know.
Here I am assuming Jane was referring to you Mr. Brown. But she does say Misty wanted her to talk to you.
Can Timmy be interviewed by someone other than LE now? Does he or CC have an attorney?
June 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
SKB- re post #40- Thanks, I look forward to hearing more.
June 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I have a question, you said J nae did not know Tommy, Timmy, Joe or the girl…but did she know Ronald???? jmo
June 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I feel almost everyone has lied…
this is my new theory in part…
Chelsea was at the bus stop but she picked up all the kids…Tommy and Timmy were at Rons..so Chelsea dropped off all of the kids after Misty called her (THIS ACCOUNTS FOR THE CALL ON THEIR PHONES) While Chelsea was at the bus stop Jan and WBG made their first delivery…Ron was in getting ready for work,
he left but later was called when the AC guy was there, Misty may have told him WBG was coming back with more drugs, after Ron called Misty at 8:30 he realized she was going overboard on the drug (without him too) so they argued, he left work without anyone noticing and they fought, Haleigh may have been killed in their fight by accident and they hid it. Ron went back to work and established an alibi, Tommy and Timmy took off for home and Misty well she just claimed she was asleep…one of these people knows where Haleigh is buried and the only person who knows isnt going to tell becuase it wouldnt help them with anything… Ron wouldnt tell if he knows because his alibi is he was at work.. Timmy wouldnt tell because he claims he was never there..Tommy would tell if it would help him get out of jail and so would Misty..these 2 would only profit if they could tell LE where Haleigh was, they were offered immunity if they could. jmo
June 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Good question on did she know Ronald,Tobias.
Barb I have also wondered if WBG was with her each time. Where she says THEY,I served them again. WHO are they? This was the last drop.It was not long after this drop when the so called arguement happened between Ron and Misty.hmmmmmmm.
I do believe WBG was there, but I dont believe he went back. Where Jane says when I pulled up, instead of WE I took that as she was the one drivibg the car. AS also said I drove by there and Haleigh and Jr said hey Granny. Then AS let it be known that she was not alone when she used WE a little futher in her statement.
I believe Jane was confused on who she identified. I think it is very possible that Tommy and his children had already went home.Now as for not seeing Haleigh and Jr IDK. I do notice she keeps saying Haleigh in place of Misty a few times.
Barb I think that is a good question on Tim and CC being interviewed again.
Mr.Brown I believe the young girl was there and may have been inside just like Jane said. On your direct question you asked her if all 3( Misty ,Joe ,Tommy) were there and her reply was yeah,Tommy(singular) was there,no mention of Joe or Misty and no mention of there possible wherabouts, like she did about the young girl.
Looking forward to heraring more….
Please take care of yourself,Mr.Brown. Thanks for all you are doing for Haleigh. I am so glad LE has interviewed her and she gave some of the same info. Perhpas it will bring LE one step closer to getting justice for Haleigh and someone finally letting them know where to go get her from and bring her home. JMO
June 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 am
IDK if Tommy was there or not, but I don’t think this girl would mistake somebody else for him. IF she’s telling the truth about being there, I believe it was Tommy she saw. My thinking is…if drugs were there, Tommy was there. But, why would Tommy lie about the visit? That’s an interesting possibility. Did something happen during this time, that Tommy doesn’t want to be associated with? I doubt very seriously it would be his drug use, because he has already claimed to have been as high as a kite that night. There’s something about Jane’s story that is ringing true. It has a believable flow that helps connect a few dots…Misty’s weekend with WBG, Tommy and JO at the house, Ron at work, drug use, and LE’s early assertion that Misty left the trailer. If Jane’s story is true, I think it’s possible that Misty left with him later that night. I could understand, not wanting to admit to being at the trailer, especially if all he did was pick Misty up and drop her off, but if he was there, then he is a witness, and needs to tell the truth.
June 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Cheryl,
You raise a couple of good possibilities. I’ll to open my mind a bit about Tommy being there. I was pretty sure when he told me wasn’t there, he was telling the truth, but it’s hard to know. The part about WBG being there absolutely rings true to my ear. He had just gotten into Misty that weekend and was back sniffing around for more. (Sorry to be graphic.) That makes perfect sense to me and as a guy, I understand it very well. Also the fact that WBG said they were using cocaine during that “wild weekend” then it makes sense to me that Misty was jonesing for more.
Lot’s of Jane’s story makes sense, but I don’t give much credence to her timing on the 3 visits or that there were three visits instead of just one or two. But I don’t know. The part about the young girl being there. Again, it’s a detail that she would have had no reason to manufacture if it wasn’t true. But I don’t know.
I’m going to be at Shands Cancer Hospital in Gainesville for the next four months and that’s why I gave it to the PCSO instead of following up further on it myself.
June 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
One can only hope they do follow up on it and find SOMETHING that leads to what really happened that night/early morning.
Concentrate on your health, SKB.
June 3rd, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I believe LE may have known Misty did coke that night because they took her clothing including her under wear..which is like getting a pee test only residual…this could explain why they said they knew she was not asleep like she claimed. jmo
June 3rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
LE may be ablr to use this to get someone to start talking.. I sure hope so…jmo
June 3rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Cheryl excellent points.
If it was Tommy there each time, then who had his kids? Lindsy was at clinicals( easily verified). Lisa was at the hospital with Hank Sr. This only leaves CC to watch all of she and Lindseys kids. jmo
I wonder also if Tim and CC stayed over at Tommys house until later on in the evening than what CC said. CCs lies were not ot cover for Misty or Ronald; it would have been to cover for Tim and/or herself. jmo
Tommy said in the jail tape that Misty did not cook dinner that night. Therefore he had to be there at least to witness that. Then what or where did Haleigh and Jr eat? How did AS see the kids eating on the porch? TN said she sent a relative by there the night Haleigh disappeared. AS first said she was there at 7 then 7:30pm . Why did TN feel it was important to send a relative over that night? Somewhere in here Ronald fits in or this mother and grandmother would not be telling lies. They would only protect Ronald and no one else.
I have also thought that they all knew Joe was leaving on the 10th of Feb. This was going to be a big farewell bash. Perhaps Ron was going to let by gons be by gons and make up with Joe. Joe may have been there at some point. I do believe Ron showed up at the mh and perhaps a fight broke out. The most horrible thing happened ! Haleigh got caught in the middle. I feel that Ron hit that back door to cover up the bloodied knuckles he had already sustained earlier in the night. No questons asked by LE.
It is very possible that the deflection is because street justice has alreay taken place. Whoever caused Haleighs death was taken care of that very night. To hide why it all happened is the real true cover up and Haleigh is buried somewhere. If the truth comes out I do believe Ron will be charged and others as accessories.
I have never believed that Ronald,Tommy,Hank Sr. and Rons dad Lester went looking for WBG because he had sex and gave Misty drugs that wild weekend.jmo
There is truth to Janes story,I wish her times could have been more accurate. I also wish she would have known these people better as to be able to give an accurate identification of all she saw there. jmo
They all are banking on LE never finding Haleighs remains therefore they all feel safe from charges in her case. I hope LE proves them wrong!!!!!!jmo
June 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Mr.Brown Just concentrate on your health. Please know we all will be here praying for you.
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Why do you think they hunted down WBG, lfj?
June 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Grace, in NNs interview she tells us that Tommy,Ronald and their dad( I believe she is referring to Hank Sr here) was looking for WBG and wanted to know from her where he lived and that Ronald was going to shove 12 inches up in rear end.
Then there was another woman that told LE a man described as Rons father offered her 50.00 for WBGs wherabouts and it was then WBGs mom filed a police report and WBG went into lying low.jmo
June 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
It had to be something he told LE. WBG even in his interview talked about knowing about Ronald going in and robbing a drug dealer. Since the hunt down was after Ron and Mistys marriage in March 2009 it had to be something he told LE, plus the interview he gave A.H.
WBG even said in his interview that he felt it was Ron and Misty pointing at him to deflect attention from themselves for what happened to Haleigh.jmo
June 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
. She said she put blankets in the washing machine at 8 p.m. so why did police note the washing machine was running hours later?
I had heard that the dryer was running when LE arrived but apparently it must of been the washer. Just caught this.jmo
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/ jmo
WBG claims not to know Ronald Cummings. jmo
June 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
With witnesses like Greg “White Boy Greg” Page stirring controversy and, more recently, threats, The Bald Truth has also learned Palatka police are boosting patrols in his downtown neighborhood after reports that relatives of Ronald Cummings “are trying to find him and harass him about the Haleigh Cummings disappearance,” according to an official police report made available to me.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/27/exclusive-haleigh-cummings-dads-solid-alibi/
In here the LE spokesman says they dont count druggies as credible. IF a CREDIBLE person can place Misty away from the trailer and Ron off PDM proprty then we will see fireworks. RON and MISTY did not hang with credible people!! Their families are even druggies!!! I guess this is why we have seen no fireworks because only the druggies know what happened!! JMO JMO JMO
June 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/11/exclusive-white-boy-greg-on-the-bald-truth/
WBG leaves out the mexican party with the Lindsey girl. jmo
He does say in this interview about seeing Misty on Sunday but not Monday.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 1:59 am
You’re right, he did say all that and I’ve seen that video a half dozen times (and read the article) but I still thought they were looking for him because of Misty. I even wondered if she told RC and her parents that WBG made her do things she didn’t want to do that weekend.
Honestly, it never occured to me that it might have been about what he told LE. You could be right…it makes sense.
AH really edited that video. I wonder what he said that was cut out. MO
You said-
“In here the LE spokesman says they dont count druggies as credible. IF a CREDIBLE person can place Misty away from the trailer and Ron off PDM proprty then we will see fireworks. RON and MISTY did not hang with credible people!! Their families are even druggies!!! I guess this is why we have seen no fireworks because only the druggies know what happened!! JMO JMO JMO”
Lol, I couldn’t agree more but I think only a few know what really happened and fewer still know what happened to Haleigh’s body.
June 4th, 2012 at 8:54 am
CC also made the statement in her interview with Mr.Brown about seeing Misty on Sunday but not Monday.jmo
Citizens have stated that Ronald went and brought Misty back to his mh on Monday the 9th of Feb 2009.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I never believed the early morning activities…Haleigh spilling something on her shirt and getting a new shirt at AS and Misty walking her into the school. There would be video and eye witness accoutns if Misty did this…I believe either Haleigh wasnt at the MH that morning and they had to go take her to school or Ron had other reasons to be jetting off in that direction..I do not believe Misty was with him..I believe he may have been going to get her…jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I have the feeling Misty was at the Magnolia, shell harbor area Sunday…and Monday morning..jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 9:30 am
The reason this makes sense is because she was coming down and wanted to crash and sleep…that place had no noisy kids or adults to bother her…NayNay even said she slept at Lindsys until mid monday then went to Donnies…jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Tobias according to this and the two articles I found that is on the other thread supports that Misty was at magnolia on Monday.She went to the Magnolia addy in the early am of Monday. Therefore she was NOT up all night working out problems with Ronald Cummings Sunday night into early Mondayt morning hours, like TN said. TN gave this to be the reason that Misty was exhausted and the reason she did not hear anyone come in and take Haleigh.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Amazing isnt it? How many excuses has this family made for Misty? And its all just abunch of crap, they were suposedly know where near the area, they had no idean Misty was out partying, they had no idea she even returned, They contradicted alot of what they said at times…like when AS said she was mad Ron let her come back…when did this happen? If Misty came back Monday when did AS get informed Misty was back? And since she was the greatest girl friend he had why was she mad?
Misty was very responcible more than alot of 30 year old people AS said she knew…THIS FAMILY LIED CONSTANTLY…and it wasnt to protect Misty, it wasnt to help find Haleigh it was to protect Ron and what he wanted…jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 10:54 am
That is right on Tobias. The more we delve into this case the more transparent they are!! jmo
If Misty was responsible as a 30 year old per Annete Sykes then why did Teresa Neves feel the importance that she have someone go over and check on things at Ronalds home? Note It is Ros family that gave the hours between 7 and 8pm for being at Rons. Why this time of night? It was not to place Misty there is was to say Haleigh was there. They needed to give this account so that Ron would have been on PDM premises. Make a bet this was the time frame of night here co-workers claim to have seen him?jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Misty also made sure not to include that visit from AS on her Poly LVA that Tim Miller wet up..she then told it in the hypnosis…this was because Misty knew it would show deception and AS more than likely warned her not to add it…Misty saw their lies for her as protection and love..but in reality it was all for Ron and they were setting Misty up for the fall.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Yes Tobias, I believe at is exactly what was going on.jmo
I meant to say between 8 and 9pm not 7 as for the co-workers seeing Ronald at work.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Times we are sure Ron was not at the MH…Clocking in…at lunch the phone pings at 8 to Misty and 9 to Tommy then clocking out at 3 the Kangaroo video and 911..so from 9 to 3 is there any accounting or witness of Ron at PDM? Did anyone go out to check on him? I doubt it since his own lawyer has never brought this up…just that he clocked in and out and was seen at lunch..thats it.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
It must have been a cold dose of reality when Misty finally realized that she was being set up from the start. MO
June 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
I still wonder if LE based their timeline on AS’ lame scenario that makes no sense to any thinking person. MO
June 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
I dont know if Misty realized she was being set up. She may know now. Misty knows what happened but I dont feel she is the one who did it. Misty is probably an accomplis. jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Yes, I’m sure she realizes it now…she said as much in her later interviews.
I still don’t know who did it or how. I have more than one theory and they all include Ronald and Misty. MO
June 4th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Good question Grace.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Interesting theory about the AC guy-
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8004215&postcount=199
June 4th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
That is interesting. Tobias has found info for a Jason, relative of Rons in the a/c business. Normally 5pm is the end of day for most of the a/c businesses,especially in the month of Feb. It was still very cold this year at this time. Most businesses repairman do call ahead to let you know they are on their way. Ron could have taken this call before he left for work at about 4pm or later to be on the clock at 5pm at PDM.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
I always thought the AC guy was Jason Squires (Rons cousin ) Ron started to say his name Jason when TN talked over him when asked about a cousin by NG.
And if he went to another job right after this one it would set up an alibi along with clocking out.
It would also make sense that he would be very quiet about what he observed while there. This same cousin could be the one who also had the machine gun….(his father is Donald squires and mother is Elisa Squires) jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I agree Grace on your post 73.
June 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RESPONCE IN SPAM
June 4th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
B4igo2it
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,796
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whisperer
What was Donald’s last name? His wife was the one that was allegedly w/GGS. I know GS had Stallings, Wolfenberg, Sykes. Mind is blanking on the other husband.
ETA: Squires…
Donald R. Squires, DOB: March, 1961-Uncle of RC, Son of GGMS, brother of TN, Great Uncle of Haleigh
- when asked what he knew about Haleigh’s disappearance; “I won’t squeal on my kin.”
justice for haleigh website*.com
__________________
just trying to make sense out of all of this
ON WS now this is an interesting statement.jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Well guess it went poof. Jason Squires ins the son of Elisa and Donald Squires..Rons cousin…in a video on NG she asks Ron about a cousin and Ron says his cousin Jason and TN talks over him..so this I believe is the cousin who was at the MH that day. jmo
June 4th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
I recall a neighbor hearing the car back fire about 2am. Has anyone read this?
One Manâs Story August 4, 2009
Filed under: Uncategorized â justiceforhaleigh @ 2:04 am
Contributed by a guest writer who prefers to remain anonymous.
It was a cool Sunday night and time to take the dog out. Loud barking could be heard in the crisp air from the adjacent neighborhood. Those dogs barked all the time, but this night it seemed different. Thereâs the usual dog barking, the barking by dogs when they tree a raccoon for instance, but this was different. These dogs were highly agitated, like they were trying to get at someone and the duration of their barking was much longer than he had ever heard out of them than ever before. He thought to himself, somethings going on over there. Voices could be heard, mingled in with the barks. Was it voices trying to settle the dogs down or were people yelling at each other and thatâs why the dogs were barking? With a shrug he walked back inside, noises came from that neighborhood all the time, if it wasnât a dog barking it was someone firing off rounds, day time, night time it wasnât unusual at all when it came to sounds that came out of that neighborhood.
Monday came and went, he was restless, another night of pain running down his leg. So he paced , he started playing solitaire on the computer, then a loud vehicle came into his community. Thatâs odd he thought as it was probably 1:30AM early Tuesday morning. No cars come in here that late. Especially no cars that are loud as this one was. He listened to hear if newspapers were dropping, usually the only car that comes in anywhere near that time would have to be the newspaper delivery, but they usually come in after 3:00AM. Who ever came in stopped somewhere a couple of streets over. After not hearing anything more for probably 20 minutes he went back inside to finish his solitaire game. Then he heard the loud car once again, hauling ass down Buffalo Bluff towards SR-17. What the hell he thought. Should he have went and checked that car out when it came it? Did he hear a car that just broke into one of his neighborâs? He knew he should have went and looked. But this place is dead at night and nothing usually goes on. Now after hearing the vehicle speed away his instincts kicked in, he knew something just isnât right with this. He hoped by not checking he didnât let someone come in and steal something from one of his neighbors.
Finally, he was able to drift off to sleep only to be awakened by the sound of a helicopter overhead. Oh no, he thought, was that loud vehicle responsible for this? By him not getting in his car and checking did something serious happen that maybe he could have at least gotten a tag number? The community became engulfed in police. A little girl was missing from the adjacent neighborhood. Soon, detectives came around searching every oneâs house, when they came to his he reported what had happened in the early hours and the detective took his statement. The detectives didnât ask any questions so he figured they would compile their information and question him later. After a few days of sleepless nights he couldnât wait anymore so he went to detectives again and retold his story. Once again information was taken with very few questions by the detective. All now that could be done was follow the story in the media. He joined a forum and became emotionally involved, looking for the latest information, hoping soon a little girl would come home to her family.
After a few weeks of waiting, he called yet another detective to find out if possibly one of the recent POIâs had a loud vehicle. The detective thanked him for his call, and he got off the phone somewhat surprised by what he thought was indifference to what he had to say. Why he thought was he the only one that thought that loud vehicle that night wasnât coincidental?
Itâs now going on 6 months, little Haleigh still hasnât been found. He still lives with the thought maybe, just maybe he could have done something that would have helped. Only Haleighâs safe return will ever ease those thoughts.
He now thinks there is more to this than meets the eye. With the forums raging and the taking of sides and seeing totally innocent people sleuth-ed by those that think their bringing something or want to âbe in the knowâ he has finally realized that all that is for not. No forum out there is going to bring Haleigh home. Only the full cooperation by both sides of the family with Law Enforcement will bring a ending to this sad disappearance of their innocent little girl. He truly hopes a mother and father had nothing to do with this. All that can be done now is for him to put all his faith in LE and trust that they know exactly what they are doing and soon Haleigh will be safely home. Until then, he still relives that night.
June 5th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I’ve never read that but did hear about the neighbor who heard the loud car. I have a question tho- if it was unusual to hear cars that late, what time did RC normally get home from the night shift?
Hearing about the “indifference” of LE (again) isn’t exactly confidence inspiring. MO
June 5th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I think between 12 and 2 per chelsea. I have to go back and look at her first interview. IIRC she talks about it there,not sure though.
There must of been another neighbor that heard the car as well because one of them said it back fired about 2am. This man said the vehicle arrived about 1:30am then about 20 minutes or so later he heard the car speed off. This puts it about 2am. A back fire can also be mistaken for gun fire. The woman screaming per a neighbor was at 2:30am. Then at about 3am heard Misty outside on her phone crying and talking on her cell. Then at 3:27am the 911 call was made. Ron allegedly pulled in at 3:23/3:24am. Ron was home and when LE arrived the washer was noted by LE running. Yet ,Ron does not note the washer is running and the fact he forgot they had no washing detergent, per Ron himself to TM. Lisa said Misty called her at about 3:30am. This has to be incorrect because Misty was on the phone with 911 at 3:30am and LE was there at 3:40am.jmo
Lisa said Misty called her first and I believe( its been awhile)stated Ron was not there yet, but later on Misty said Ron was already home when she called her mom and dad. Therefore ,if that is the truth Ron left to go be seen on the camera at the store between 3:12 and 3:14am. This also brings awareness back to greenwood saying they have been working Haleighs case since 2:13 am.Jus look at the timeline.jmo
June 5th, 2012 at 10:57 am
This exlains how Ron definitely knew Misty was at the mh in order to buy her brand of Cigs and her pnuts as well. He had already been home and left again to further alibi himself.jmo
June 5th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Sounds like something was going down at Tommys home on Sunday night early monday morning hours. Tommy had a dog;Ron did not. TN gave an interview that Ron had fought with the cousin the night before Haleigh disappeared. Perhaps there was a different fight that Ronald had not the fight over the gun. It does not mean it had to be with Joe. They just used that one to cover for the other.jmo
June 5th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
the way these people lie there may not have even been a fight over a gun.LOL
and TN knew only what she was told by Ron..she didnt even know Joe was down there..I really get the feeling TN had very little contact with them except holidays. She was too into her new boyfriend and her lawsuits. jmo
June 5th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I believe the inerview where CC states what times Ron would be home is on the Levi blog talk radio show. She said Ronald was always gone by the time to go pick up Haleigh and Ron has never came home as late as 3am. Then she gave an estimated time for him, which I believe was 12 ans two.jmo
True there may not have been a fight over a gun.
I believe TN probably repeated what Ron said. Tn said it was the night before, then Ron said no fight at all, until after he went to jail. Ron even basically called his own mother a liar when he told the media he did not know where they were getting their info but its not tru, while TN was standing right beside him .This was more than likely to bring credibility to Joe being the culprit, just like the machine gun mysteriously appearing, IMO.
Apparently this neighbor heard alot of gun play from over there way often. Day and night.Tis makes me think of Tommys statement of how Ron would shoot the mirrors in the mh.JMO
June 5th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
http://a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/40/1f76b0ded7434cf983f54b867cd894c9/l.jpg
Thought you might like this SKB. lol the caption didnt copy, this is jennifer Allen and Joes mom in the hospital when Joe was shot. jmo
June 5th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Joe Overstreet adds more to his record. Looks like he has moved to bigger weapons. A .40 Cal Glock now!!
http://ccc.nashville.gov/jis-web-affidavit/work/Affidavit-AJPRequestHandler-ApplicationServerThread-13-1142726785.pdf
June 6th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Oh and I forgot to mentioned this
.40 Cal Glock model 22 pistol with a twenty-two round extended magazine. Mr.
Overstreet does not have a hand gun carry permit.
The weapon was reported stolen from the Metro Nashville Police Dept. confirmed as stolen through NCIC
STOLEN FROM THE METRO NASHVILLE POLICE DEPT ????!!!
June 6th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Barb your link doesnt work where did you find this info? I know Joe owns a gun and unless you carry it on your body you do not have to have a carry permit.
Is this something new? I just checked the Davidson County clerk of courts and there is nothing about the theft of a gun…jmo
June 6th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Found it, it seems the person who was the wanted individual ( Brandon Fry who is still being looked for) was the one with the gun ,in the assault, and the minor I believe was Justin Dabbs these are all cousins… Brandon Fry has jumped bail and has a waarent out for him. jmo
June 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
That is true Tobias you dont need a carry permit unless you are carrying it on your body.
Those cousins always seem to be in trouble big time.
Thanks for the info Barb and Tobias.jmo
I no longer think this was a plan to steal Rons gun/guns.
If Joe was at the mh that day doing these drugs that were delivered he would of stolen the gun then. No need to go back later. jmo
June 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Sorry got the name wrong it is Brandon Fryer, very long list of felonies etc. the young boy was 17 his name does show up in the affidavits, he is not a relative just a friend. It was Brnadon car also a brown 4 door..Joe was driving though. jmo
June 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Sorry it took me so long to respond Tobias , I am sorry about the link. It does work for me though. Anyway I am glad you were able to find the info.
Tennessee
Summary
Tennessee is not a traditional open carry state. However, Tennessee is a shall-issue state that issues a carry permit that allows both open and concealed carry.
Nt to disagree with you but just to have correct information on Guns here.
In Tn as well as in most states including Ohio and Fl you must have a permit to carry a hand gun. You must carry the permit on you at all times while carrying the weapon. You do have to complete a handgun safety course and receive a certificate of completion of that course.
Shot guns and rifles in cars must not be chambered. There is the newer CC license in many states. To carry a concealed gun in your car loaded you must have a CC permit in many states. The gun can be concealed on your person or in the glove box or somewhere it can not be seen. A CC is a little different than the regular permit. To car a gun with out a CC you may carry it exposed while you are in a vehicle and have the permit on you at all times you have the weapon. The weapon must be safely carried at all times(thatâs what you are supposed to learn in the safety course(lol).
In the affidavit it states JO did not have a permit to carry the weapon. Also Brandon does not qualify to obtain a permit to carry a weapon due to his record. The gun in the car at the time of the stop was not legal for either to have at the time of the stop. In the record it does not show who claimed to own the gun, but it was found on the drivers side by JO’s leg. It was loaded at the time of the stop. This was this year in March. IIRC
June 6th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
last comment is stuck in spam
Wasn’t this the same cousin that was in Fl when JO was there?
June 6th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
They had drugs on them and were within 1000 ft of a no drug zone IIRC. JO was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor because of the 17 yr old with them and other charges as well. Brandon already had the arrest warrant on him at the time of the stop. Wonder why they just can not stay out of trouble? Too bad, they are all so young and they really don’t have much chance at a normal life because of their choice of lifestyles. They just seem to want to live a wild and reckless way. What a waste
June 6th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
post 95
looking for justice Says:
June 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
snipped
If Joe was at the mh that day doing these drugs that were delivered he would of stolen the gun then. No need to go back later. jmo
———————————————-
Well that’s a great point. This does not fit does it. He either was not there earlier as Jane claims or he was not there later for a gun as TC claims. Can’t have it both ways just does not make much sense.
June 6th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I agree Barb. It does not fit. I also agree that those young boys are just wasting their life away being so wreckless. jmo
June 7th, 2012 at 12:11 am
A moment of silence in Prayer for Steve and his family. Please join me.
12:12 to 12:14 AM
June 7th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Thanks, glad to get a look at Jennifer
June 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
How’s it going Mr Brown. Hope you are doing well.
June 7th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
By covering, I think he believes misty is responsible but she never told him that. He has no proof. It is my belief that both ron and misty were not in any condition to be around children that day. We know they had no sleep. rc and misty were most likely fighting all night. Didn’t we have a poster who lived nearby that mentioned there was a big fight on Tyler Sunday night?
Sunday night and all day Monday must have been a nightmare for those two druggies. I don’t believe they worked anything out and TN was lying when she told the media they did. WBG said misty was at the hospital on Monday morning. Misty has misty in bed with ronald all morning on monday till at least noon. The hospital was 60 miles away, FGS! Misty lies.
Post by whisperer on WS page 9
this must be what the anonymous poster heard on that Sunday night when the dogs were being aggressive!jmo
June 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
YW I had to really dig to find that little gem I was hoping you would be able to use it somehow like sending it to Jane to see if this is the girl she saw with Misty. This young girl could be very impotant if they can find her, if she was there like Jane says it solidifies her testimony. jmo
June 7th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2012/06/08/bring-them-home-now-journalist-tj-hart-on-haleigh-cummings
Papa posted this its called Bring them home and will feature TJ Hart aboput Haleigh tonight. jmo
June 8th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Thanks tobias. Does anyone know who “Crazy Al” is and how he’s involved w/ the case? TJ mentioned him briefly in the interview.
I’ll reserve comment on some of the assumptions he made about those that follow the case and give him the benefit of the doubt. He apparently paid his dues for getting involved. But assumptions work both ways and my last impression of him was that he was just another carrot dangler.
TJ Hart said,
in March 13th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Thank you, each and everyone.
Perhaps when this is all over, there will be one final story. I haven’t decided whether to write it all down or take to my grave.
TJ Hart
http://www.bloggernews.net/124035#comments
WTH???
Aside from a few very bad apples, I still believe most of us just want the truth. MHO
June 8th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
We can assume just about anything in that sentence and until he writes it or if he ever does we will never know…it could be about Haleighs case or something very different involving the reporting of these cases. I would like to read it but like he says lower down to methinks..it may damage others so he may never write it…I can see his point if others who have done nothing are going to be hurt then it may not be wise to write it. jmo
June 8th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Yeah, I get that and I did see his response to methinks but imo, saying nothing until you are ready to say something would have been the better option. Unless of course one wants to give the impression that they are among the annointed few that *know* more than most. It’s been my experience, following this case, that people who do that ultimately know squat. Imo, TJ Hart is no exception.
June 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I give him the bennefit of the doubt because if you know something you cant just put it out there without substantial proof to back it up (otherwise you end up in court) Like if you see something but you are the only witness without a camera or video..in this day and age your word just doesnt fly anymore. jmo
June 8th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Posted: Jun 8 2012, 02:24 PM
Advanced Member
Group: Members
Posts: 3,773
Member No.: 444
Joined: 13-November 09
I noticed that TJ hart believes Jr was coached. Levi has also reported the same conclusion. TJ was asked whom did he think did it. TJ said IDK. TJ did say that Crystal was up the road in Baker County and did not arrive until after the sun came up.
Teresa Neves said that jr told LE this shortly after Haleigh disappeared in the early am hours of Feb 10th,2009. Well it was either the Croslins or Cummings???????
TJ said anyone who came out and said I passed the poly right after taking one is a liar,because it has to be sent to the FBI and analyzed. Now Ronald went on NG the same day he and Misty took their polys and told NG that he and Misty passed this was on Feb 11th,2009. Misty came out to the media Feb 12,2009. She appeared on the Greta show with Ron. First Misty said I am not suppose to talk about it and then later in the interview after Ron saying I passed with flying colors and Misty passed Misty followed suit from that time forward. The ones that said they passed was Ron,Misty ,NN and WBG. Anyone I missed?
I like how TJ Hart said this sentence about Ronald.
LE will tell you that Ronald picked up haleigh from the bus, LE will tell you that Rons pings were from PDM and LE will tell you that he was seen on the camera at store buying p’nuts and beer. This does not mean this is all LE believes. Jerry Santos told AH in his interview that the FBI told him that they may say it looks good and may give them the impression that they passed. It gives them rope to hang themselves so to speak. Yet Crystal Sheffield told us that they told her they had to send it it off to Va..This was the truth.
TJ reinforces Flos account that Misty and Ron were arguing all night and that there was an unhappy child that night.Flo told us that Misty said she and Ron were fighting all night that night.
TJ again reinforced the bed was not made.
TJ talks about Marie talking with them early on and she felt Haleighs disappearance
had to do with Ron,Misty and drugs. TJ said its not too far off as it has turned out.( paraphrasing)
I hope this case is heating up. I like the fact that TJ said the new info is being followed upon. It saddens me though that this case has torn apart his family. I hope and pray they reunite and are able to be a family again. I believe TJ hart to be a truthful top notch reporter. He also told us long ago on Sept 9th,2009 that Rons timeline was getting wobbly. ( pertaining to his work alibi).jmo
Mr.Browns leads is being acted upon by LE. TJ hart has info he cant share due to this lead. Just as Mr.brown does I am sure. It would not suprise me if Cobra has also been contacted. Thanks to you all for still helping search for Haleigh.jmo
ALL IMO
June 8th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
TJ also said that those that believe Ronald was involved had loser men in their life and were taking it out on poor Ronald. (paraphrasing)
TJ bailed in March of 2010 and over 2 yrs later he’s screaming over the airwaves that people should “get a god damn job and a life.”
He brought nothing to that interview but his opinion and I heard that years ago.
It’s unfortunate that he lost HIS job and HIS family because of HIS involvement in this case but his anger is misplaced. Instead of making sweeping generalizations about those that listened to him and read his stuff, he might want to re-examine the choices HE made.
I lost nothing following this case, except the time I wasted listening to people like TJ Hart. MO
June 8th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I dont know who AL is either. My curiosity is up on this person and how he is connected to this case.jmo
June 8th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I listened to the interview, and it seemed to me that TJ Hart is stuck in the past. Really, what good does ragging on Crystal Sheffield do for anybody? If she was involved in Haleigh’s death, I’ll be a monkey’s uncle. As far as Ron goes, TJ seemed to give him too much credit. He said he was frantic and called 911,(Misty did, ho hum), and bragged on him getting custody because Crystal wouldn’t get off her lazy butt, or some such. Talk about making things fit an agenda! Ron got custody by being sneaky, and hello, it was on HIS watch that Haleigh came up missing, while under the care of HIS live in teenaged lover. whatever…if these investigative reporters really want to see this case solved, they need to be more objective. Ron probably wasn’t directly involved in Haleigh’s death, but he most definately was at least indirectly involved, and cutting that ‘man’ slack, only hinders the investigation. IMO, there’s a good possibility that Ron has been covering for Misty’s part in Haleigh’s disappearance, so if some reporter wants to get to the bottom of this case, he might start by asking him why he harboured and then married, and then sold dope with the ‘key’. Does TJ really believe Ron married Misty to keep her close, for Haleigh’s sake? Please… he married her because he loved her more than he loved his daughter. How could a loving father sleep with and have sex with a girl who had something to do with his daughter’s disappearance? That’s disgusting, beyond words, hence his ‘Only God can judge me’, bumper sticker. That was Ron telling the world to kiss his ass, because he was doing what HE wanted. Ron was well aware of Misty’s failed LDTs, so he knew she was involved, period, end of story. Unless he knows the full story, and knows Misty didn’t kill Haleigh, because he knows who did, then there is absolutely no rationale, for him staying with and defending her. Also, TJ called Nay Nay, ‘Nee Nee’. Him not knowing the names of the main players, makes me wonder what else he doesn’t know, KWIM? I don’t know all their names either, and I don’t know a lot about this case, but I wouldn’t go on a radio show with an obvious agenda either. He said cops would tell us that Ron picked Haleigh up from the bus stop. Have they ever stated that, and if they did, did they call the witnesses who claimed it was Misty, a couple of liars? I don’t care who picked her up, but if LE knows the truth and is willing to share it,then by all means, I would like to hear it, because this is one of those grey areas that might point to Ron covering for Misty. Also, the last story told-and according to Levi, Tommy hasn’t recanted-was the whole Joe Overstreet tale. This story, not Crystal sitting on her lazy butt, is what’s current and needs to be talked about, but he barely glossed over Joe.
June 8th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Another thing I didn’t like, was how he brought up incest between Misty and Tommy, but then had the nerve to say he wasn’t going there, because it was just rumor. Well, excuse me, how can you take the high road, when you just took the low road? He DID go there, so I would have appreciated some clarification. Where he heard it, what Hank, Lisa, and Lindsey said about it, etc. Don’t dangle a carrot and then yank it away! How rude to put something like that on the airwaves and then not back it up. I’ve been one of those people who didn’t put much stock in the incest rumors, but now I don’t know.
June 8th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
About Jr being coached. Ron said there was no way Jr saw what was being claimed, and he blamed Crystal and Geraldo. That’s just crazy. Is Geraldo that hard up for a little attention? So I think it’s safe to assume, Crystal and/or Geraldo had nothing to do with any coaching. And if Ron and company had done the coaching, he darn sure wouldn’t have been shooting the story down. So, I think it’s safe to assume he and his family had nothing to do with the coaching. That leaves Misty and crew. Didn’t Chelsea also say Jr told her about the man in black? It was such a sappy, unbelievable story, I thought she was lying. The part in the story about Misty being asleep, was also unbelievable. If whatever woke Jr up didn’t wake up Misty, he for sure would have woke her up. She, at one time, admitted to vaguely remembering Jr crawling over her, and there’s no way she went back to sleep during the abduction. IMO, she was either faking sleep, not there, or there in the thick of things. But, if Jr did hear the squeaky shoes, I think the house was still and quiet, so there probably wasn’t a party or big fight going on. IMO, it looks like Misty was gone. So, I do believe Misty being there and asleep, might have been planted. And who, besides Misty would benefit from this little addition? And more importantly, who would have planted it? From what I remember, Jr came out with his story, early on, so I do think he heard the squeaky shoes, and saw the man in black, and saw the couch bouncing. What happened next, is anybody’s guess.
June 9th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Good summation of that pathetic interview, cheryl. MO His bungling of the few facts we do know speaks for itself. Ron calling 9-11 was my personal favorite. Unbelievable that he couldn’t even get that right. The “Nee Nee” and not knowing which grandmother claimed to have been to the mobile home was further confirmation that he’s clueless.
It was also interesting how he mocked those that question RCs’ work alibi. For all I know RC might have been there the entire time he claims to be but it IS a legitimate question so why the childish mocking? If LE cleared Cummings because he was at work, why don’t they just come out and say that? They never have. In fact in 2011 they said they don’t think he’s telling the truth.
TJ Hart clearly has some issues w/ those that think Ronald was involved. I don’t know why and frankly, I don’t care. What I do know is he’s not even smart enough to stop shooting himself in the foot. Great career move for a “reporter” to insult his listeners repeatedly. This isn’t the first time he’s had a meltdown on the air, IIRC there were many more on the infamous BTR show that aired every Sun afternoon.
Saying Haleigh didn’t stand a chance is an understatement. From the selfish, completely dysfunctional group that “cared” for her, to the sloppy police work, to the hack “reporters” like TJ Hart and the NG show and the other cranks that attached themselves to this case, it would be a miracle if anything even close to the truth ever came out. MO
June 9th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I agree that it was Misty who called 911. I agree it is an understatement that Haleigh never stood a chance in this enviroment.
TJ was asked the facts of the case. He gave them.He only gave the facts LE would give. I believe we all agree that both Ronald and Crystal had demons that hindred their childrens lives.
I recall him being asked about Ron and Mistys marriage and they talked about the marital clause of them not having to testify against one another. IIRC TJ then said but these two kids believed it would apply to them ( paraphrasing). He gave the reason it did not apply to them because the crime happened pror to their marriage. He left out the clause that it does not apply when a child has been murdered or a victim of circumstance.
TJ talked about speaking with Misty. I need someone here to clarify if I also heard TJ say that he spoke with Misty in prison. This is the first of me hearing this if so.
TJ is all the way in IOWA yet he knows people are being spoken with due to the new leads.
Mr.Brown told us that we may see something heatng up in Haleighs case if their was some truth to his new leads he turned into PCSO. Lets hope this is the case.
I myself definitely believe Ron is directly or indirectly involved in haleighs disappearance.
TJ dropped a name we have had no knowledge of that seems to be connected to Haleighs disappearance. There is a reason TJ gave this interview. He is letting us know something is stirring in Haleighs case. It would not suprise me at all if Mr.Brown talks with TJ Hart. They all have an interest of finding a sweet ittle girl that needs to be brought home. It is from their heart not what they need in their wallet.
I myself dont care who it is just as long as they are puinished severely and it needs to trickle right on down to the ones who knew the whole time but covered!!!
I also agree that Ron did not marry Misty to keep her close. LE knew where she would be at all times. This is just plain BS.
I also agree That any parent will not marry and bed down anyone who murdered or had something to do with their childs disappearance.JMO
all imo
June 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
LFJ I totally agree. I also noticed that name..jmo
June 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Is “crazy Al” a real person or just another TJ blunder? I don’t know but time will tell. I wish I could agree that TJ was dropping a coded message but I don’t. It’s one thing to try to read between the lines and whole other thing to try to invent the lines because you want it to be true. That’s MO and until I see something REAL and substantial to change that opinion, I’m sticking to it. MO
June 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
What’s up w/ these people that attach, detach and then re-attach themselves to this case? They keep showing up like a bad penny.
I sincerely hope no one dug up and dusted off TJ and he resumes “reporting” on this case. Ugh
MO
June 9th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I have not changed my stance as to who the pois are in this case. Ron and Misty have the knowledge of what happened to Haleigh IMO. I still beleve that Ronald knew before that 3:27am 911 call was made. I know when Mr.Brown is up to it he will post more from Janes interview. This could have ben a retaliaton( perhaps this is where crazy AL comes in) I dont think there was no hidden codes/messages in the intrerview.I believe TJ was wanting everyone to know that there has been some movement in Haleighs case. The news coverage is not on her case right now. Mr.Brown is in the hospital. May God Bless him. TJ has reinterated what Mr.Brown has told us. Haleighs case is not cold.
Did anyone else hear TJ say he spoke with Misty in prison? I may have heard it wrong. jmo
I understand the frustration this case brings.
Cheryl Bowling did an interview early on before the witnesses came out. He stated Ronald picked up Haleigh from the bus stop. I chose to go with the witnesses since there were four of them. They have no reason to lie. LE does not have to tell the truth to the public. IMO that is why in TJs interview he said this is what LE will tell you.
We have been told over and over this case is not what it seems. I just pray to God it is not another Shaniya Davis case. I still have that horrible image burnt into my brain of that horrific skeeze carrying that beautiful child into that motel and knowing what happened to her afterwards. It is haunting!jmo
jmo
June 9th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Well he has first hand knowledge of the goings on at the time…on the ground so to speak..I dont see anything wrong with answering a few questions on a blog radio show to help find the missing. What I find very unsettling are the people who went all out to defend a certin party in this case…or a certain theory. I liked to look at all of them and see how they could have fit. And I do agree with TJ that some people went way overboard, some actually got physically involved and that was wrong. Volenteering to search is one thing but to call in false reports, sitings etc. is just counter productive to finding this little girl.
And there is a earlier BTR SHOW WHERE cRAZY aL WAS DISCUSSED i GOOGLED IT AND WILL BE RELISTENING TO IT TO SEE WHAT WAS DISCUSSED WHEN i HAVE TIME. JMO
June 9th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Thanks Tobias for that info on Crazy AL. Let us know when you find it. I would like to re-listen to it also.
I do agree there were certain bloggers that did get physically involved and called in false reports and this did deflect and hindered finding out what happened to Haleigh.
I think alot of us agree here on who these bloggers were defending.jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Well I’m here lfj and I don’t know what blog you’re talking about, so I don’t know if I agree. Maybe you could explain rather than assuming? But for clarification, I don’t defend any player in this case, or any blogger that I recall, OR ANY MEMBER OF THE SUN AFTERNOON BTR CREW. I will defend a theory I might have tho. Imo, if you can’t defend a theory, you probably don’t have one.
I’m also not sure why you keep bringing SKB into this. I’m not talking about SKB. I think I made myself pretty clear that I was talking about TJ Hart. Imo he made an ass of himself screaming at people he doesn’t even know to get a job and a life. And it’s not the first time he’s done that. Also, imo, he’s an unprofessional hack and a carrot dangler. I came to that conclusion about him and the rest of the BTR crew long ago. This last interview w/ TJ only confirmed how unhinged he really is. If that offends you, it’s unfortunate but I don’t go along to get along. Who agrees or disagrees w/ me doesn’t matter that much to me.
This should go w/o saying lfj, but because you keep bringing it up, I’ll respond. I really do understand that SKB is in the hospital and I really do understand the situation, so there’s no need for you to keep overstating the obvious, okay?
June 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=barbara%20freeman%20ace%20drug%20dealer%20haleigh%20cummings%20case&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CG8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloggernews.net%2F124504&ei=R7LUT8y0JdLS6gGyh8WhAw&usg=AFQjCNH4u-0ds5eglVvV-vvAZMD_4SgDHQ&cad=rja
atahis is the radio show where Crazy Al is brought up…and some other very interesting topics. jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
iPOSTEDD THE LINK BUT IT IS CAUGHT UP IN SPAM, IT WAS THE mAY 9 2010 RADIO SHOW WHERE cRAZY aL IS BROUGHT UP. JMO
June 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am
LE has been so tight lipped about this case and when they have made statements they were vague and in some cases, contradictory. That left those of us following the case starving for information. Some people took advantage of that and became the self-appointed knower of inside information. Simon & co are a great example, but not the only one. There were plenty of others. Experiencing that over the last 3+ yrs has made me very skeptical and I don’t jump on every claim that comes down the pike because I want this case to be solved.
It never made sense to me that LE would share things w/ people outside of their dept that might jeopardize a future case, or cases. SKB has said that it’s a one way street. He shares info w/ them, they share nothing w/ him. Common sense tells me that’s pretty standard. Therefore I don’t waste time looking for hidden meanings in things. I didn’t need TJ to confirm what I already knew…ie, SKB turned over the Jane stuff and some info on where Haleigh’s remains might be. I hope they followed up on it, I have no reason to think they didn’t. MO
June 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Grace, I honestly dont know why you are so upset.I am not asking you to like TJ hart. I believe SKB and TJ hart have spoken and the reason for the interview was to get the info out to the bloggers interested in Haleighs case.IMO or assumption whichever choice of words, TJ was getting out the info that Mr.Browns leads do have merit and the leads are causing movement in Haleighs case. I am not arguing any points. IMO I think he is letting us know what is going on right now since Mr.Brown is unable to do so. That is why I brought SKB up.
ICBW but IMO TJ was speaking to a specific set of bloggers not the ones here.
I apologize for whatever I must have said to upset you so greatly. I must not have clarified what I was trying to get across very well.jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
http://voices.yahoo.com/haleigh-cummings-missing-letter-describing-haleighs-4523263.html?cat=72
June 10th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
It is interesting LE would call the letter a farce but they allowed it to be released…then they went and drained the pond…and why would NayNay write this letter???? Not to just Donnie but to her mother also? Donnie I can see since she needed him as her alibi..she claimed to be with him when this happened…hopefully LE went to talk with him before she wrote him about being with him that night? Again we hear about a black bag….that part of the story must be the truth???? We keep hearing about a black bag in several stories told…Joe and Tommy put her in a black bag and then this one where WBG put her in a black bag…Jane has put WBG at Chads that night after they SERVED Misty and the gang at the MH. JMO
June 10th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Gary Bowlings gave an interview and stated they would release some info even if it meant Jeapordizing the case. trying to find the link now. I know it is posted on one of these threads here; just dont know which ones.
LE has been very tight lipped,I agree. In late Feb or early march 2010 Levi had his own blogtalkradio show and one of the panelist was on and she told Levi about Misty talking behind bars and claiming Joe and Tommy were involved and disposed of Haleigh. I believe this woman was either from Mass or Georgia. Levi stuck to ronald and Misty. She debated him and in April of 2010 we finally heard the Joe did it story. I believe it was Holly Hughes and after the Shell Harbour search she told Levi he could very well be right on the Ron and Misty theory and would do well in criminology. How she knew the info and not even in this state was beyond me. This radio show came out about the same time the Barbara Freeman tapes were released. Tobias may recall this show as well. I had listened to it and told our board about it and Tobias and BAC went and checked it out. It had technical difficulties that day.jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=joseph%20franklin%20pytko%20florida&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CGcQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mugshotsonline.com%2Fflorida%2Fgainesville%2Fjoseph-franklin-pytko%2F55849311&ei=6u7UT-mBLYfa0QGwoIG5Aw&usg=AFQjCNGuvJAgJSkLIaxjAms1p-hC7RSzXg&cad=rja
jOE pYTKO WAS RECENTLY BUSTED. JMO
June 10th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Holly Hughes possibly had info from Chelsea…Misty was sending alot of letters to Chelsea about Joe…
and we know Chelsea talked on the phone to Misty along with others and we heard the redacted calls not the first hand calls but Chelsea etc. knew what was said… jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
LOL, lfj, do you really believe that I’m greatly upset? Why? Annoyed, maybe but I’ll get over it as soon as you answer my question…WHAT BLOG? Do you know how many blogs there are/were re this case? How ’bout you just tell me and then we can put this to rest. Statements like this just add to the confusion, imo.
“I think alot of us agree here on who these bloggers were defending.”
You can count on one hand how many people post HERE on a regular basis. I’m one of them. But I don’t have a clue what blog or who they were defending.
If I don’t have a clue how can you or more importantly, TJ Hart be sure that EVERYBODY knows he only meant a specific blogger. He made more than a few blanket statements about those that think RC was involved and/or question the work alibi. Did we listen to the same interview?
You don’t have to apologize, I’m just looking for some straight forward answers to my questions.
June 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Grace sorry but we all know there have been relatives and friends of the families that have come on blog sites…one very rude blog hostess has outed several of them recently on twitter and her blog page, I dont agree with her but she did it none the less. jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
tobias- Is her name a secret? I’m sorry too because WE ALL don’t know. Sheesh
June 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Well count your blessings…she did nothing for the bloggers on her site or for Haleighs case. jmo
Done with this since it isnt about Haleigh. jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
This is exactly what I mean about talking in code. Don’t assume that everyone knows what you’re talking about. Don’t assume that everyone follows people on Twitter and Facebook, or reads everything written on other sites. And don’t be surprised if someone asks for clarification. If you’re not willing to explain, I can’t help but wonder why you’d post it in the first place, and use words like “everybody” and “most here.”
June 10th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Just to introduce myself, I’ve been reading here since day one, enjoy reading all the posts, BTW. Decided to chime in. Jane appears to me to be just repeating what she was told by Misty in regards to the “Joe did story”. Even she admits that Misty admits that she did not actually see “Joe do it” but she “knows” that he did because he “raped” her in the past. OK. A lot of what Jane says is in my opinion, whatever Misty told her. 8:00 pm is the latest that she puts herself at the mobile home, so her input on Ronald’s whereabouts that night are nil and void. She makes the talk that she doesn’t really know the Croslin brothers but then actually puts Tommy at the mobile home that night, (remarkable how it resembles Misty’s story, isn’t it?). Also remarkable is how Ronald isn’t there at all during the “three” trips to the mobile home that night. I would eagerly make a bet that she was also “rehearsed” into making that statement as well.
I can believe more easily that it was Misty selling off Ronald’s inventory that night, not White Boy Greg selling his inventory. I do believe that Misty was following orders from Ron that night. Misty called Timmy that night, early on. She would never sacrifice Timmy, therefore, Tommy is the “chosen one” with Joe thrown in for good measure. Amazing how the antique weapon was given over to a realtive and a pistol was “hidden” in other words, “stored” under Tommy’s driveway culvert, only to be “found” or
“recovered” under Ronald’s direction shortly thereafter. I believe that after Haleigh’s demise that night, it was a “Buy one get one Free” sale at the Mobile home that night. All of the dregs of society came by the mobile home that night to partake of the drug buffet. Ronald, the coward that he is, had to be seen at work for at least part of the night, but he couldn’t miss out on being in control of the action that night, thus the ninety plus phone calls that night just to Misty alone. Then we have the neighbor hearing a “loud, backfiring vehicle” near the mobile home that night. Has anyone thought that this could be a very loud, bored out motorcycle (relative of Ron’s) coming in to pick up the antique weapon and most likely other weapons and maybe a bit of drugs for payment? I know that there are many of you who are familiar with a loud backfiring motorcycle. Then we have the bits and pieces of the “Annette Sykes came over to check on the kids with a nurse” story around 8:00pm O’clock. Funny that this is about the same time that phones were cut off and Ronald just called and called and called, right? From work of course, right? Then we have Donald Squires stating that he wasn’t going to squeal on kinfolk. We have Ronald slipping up and saying that Jason, his cousin “wuddn’t” there. Yeah right.
Jane IMO was coached and rehearsed by Misty on the “story”. At that time Misty was still in the “protect Ronald at all cost” mode.
June 10th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Grace who is talking in code? I will not mention this person for one reason only..she adds nothing to this case…she does nothing but supply an outlet for people to fight. jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I did not speak of a specific blog if this is the statement you are referring to.
âI think alot of us agree here on who these bloggers were defending.â
Those bloggers hit every blog they could find.jmo
In the link Tobias put up above for May 9th 2010. They actually talk about those specific bloggers and talked about how unbearable it was becoming for those who just wanted to discuss the case as to the few facts that had come out at that time. Theories change due to more info as it comes out. IIRC TJ was speaking about that time when he was still reporting in which he said he has not reported on Haleighs case for about 2 years. jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I wonder if LE has spoken with Joe Pytko again since he was arrested in May??? He claims he was at Chads that night so he would know Jane was there too. hmmm. jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Good point Tobias.jmo
June 10th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Welcome lonetraveler.
I do think a lot of Jane’s story sounds familiar. (truth is repeated by others just like a pre discussed lie would be so who knows on this one.) I do have a lot of questions on several details in Jane’s story. It does leave RC out of the mix entirely.But where was he at 2 to 3 in the afternoon if not at the MH? The 92 phone calls made were reported by AH first. He later dropped the number of calls to 21 or 22 . My guess is his source.. close to the case.. is mixed up. JMO MC reported she called RC about 20 times and he never answered. Then he pulled in the drive at Green Lane. So who called who, when and how many times has never been formally released by LE. Who really knows? It would be great to get some actual facts on what LE has on the phone records. WBG’s records would show if MC called him like Jane states and MC’s would show everyone she called, when and for how long. Love to see their phone records, that would be enough for me. At least MC’s. Just her phone records would sure tell a lot. JMO
June 10th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Awhile ago on Websleths or SMs there was a woman that posted about Brandon O being in FL at the same time as JO. I posted that link. On the same discussion board there was a girl who knew RC’s cousin who claimed to be seeing RC before the arrests. IIRC she sated she met RC and began a relationship with him sometime in Sept 09. She also claimed she was corresponding with RC in prison. We do hear a call where RC is speaking to a female in a call on the tape from prison. Some assumed it was a prison groupie but I think it may have been the girl who RC was seeing at that time JMO.(besides MC) Does anyone know who the girl was/is? Any chance Jane knows her?
Just wondering.
June 11th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Okay, I’m not the one who mentioned the blog. If you didn’t want to talk about the blog, that’s great, but then why bring it up?
Lfj said TJ was speaking to specific bloggers. I didn’t get that impression at all. Imo, he was defending Ronald and trashing those that think he was involved. I also don’t think the interview was to get the word out about Jane and possible movement in the case. He spent less than 5 min on that and it was a 90 min interview.
We seem to be going round and round in cicles and getting no where so I’m done w/ this now.
SKB put up part 4
June 11th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Barb, I checked that out a long time ago, Brandon was in jail in Michigan at the time…you can find his record on DOC Michigan offenders search.
He did live in Orlando but that was when Tim and Chelsea lived there ( before they all moved up to the Satsuma area) jmo