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Whats new with the Haleigh Cummings Case
Author: Steven Kerry Brown22.06.2012
I have some more to post on the Haleigh Cummings case but that will be later. Right now here is the breaking news. Ronald Cummings has been moved to the Santa Rosa County Jail. Below is a screen shot of the booking photo. It clearly is “our” Ronald Cummings. Note that no charges are specified so I suspect he’s there for an appeal or maybe a hardship transfer but I don’t know. We’ll have to wait and see. I checked the Clerk of the Courts site in Santa Rosa but didn’t find him listed there.
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June 23rd, 2012 at 9:41 am
According to Vinelink (what is happening?)
Offender Name: RONALD LEMYLES CUMMINGS
Offender ID:SRSO12MNI007546Date of Birth:10/29/1983Age: 28 Race: White Gender: Male Custody Status: Out of Custody Date: 06/23/2012 Reason:Own Recognizance
“Own Recognizance” Release
When a criminal suspect is arrested, booked, and granted “own recognizance” release, no bail money needs to be paid to the court, and no bond is posted. The suspect is merely released after promising, in writing, to appear in court for all upcoming proceedings. Most state criminal courts impose certain conditions on own recognizance release, prohibiting the suspect from leaving the area while proceedings are ongoing, or requiring that the suspect contact the court periodically while the case is ongoing.
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=10000&agency=55&id=SRSO12MNI007546&searchType=offender
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Sweetiemom,
Yep, the jail booking log shows him released this morning on June 23. I wonder what’s up?
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
No clue-but some of the talking heads are trying to find out what is going on. I guess with the Sandusky verdict monopolizing the news, they don’t have time to squeese in any news of Ron.
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:20 am
This keeps getting stranger and stranger. I’ve never heard of someone being released on their own recognizance AFTER a felony conviction. I always thought it was in lieu of bail and related to appearing for a pending charge and upcoming court dates.
June 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
His offender ID has changed too. It was V36497 and now it’s SRSO12MNI007546
June 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Grace he is still registered with Florida DOC under V36497. The new number you speak of is his booking number with Santa Rosa Sheriffs office, hence the SRSO at the beginning of the code. the 12 is the yr and the rest is his booking #.
June 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Its possible he is in court or in conference with the FBI, i REMEMBER THE VIDEO OF jACKSONVILLE fbi SAYING THEY CAN HAVE VIDEO CONFERENCES WITH PEOPLE IN tALLAHASEE ON CASES AND NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL…JMO
June 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
that is the Santa Rosa Seriffs Office ID…srso….
I still feel this is a court date or he is conference with the FBI and his lawyer…He is out with of custody with his lawyer..or another agency that doesnt want it publicized. jmo
June 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Per Websleuths, A person called Santa Rosa jail. They are from that county. Some inmates were brought their due to flooding around the 14th of june. They said he was there for a case from Escambia County . He was released in prison attire and left in a prison transport van. There is a good chance he was heading back to his prison. Lord I hope so. The docketts should be updated next week per the poster.jmo
I guess we will see then unless someone spots him out in public.jmo
I can only hope he would be meeting with the FBI . I would love to believe Haleigh is going to finally be found or the truth of what happened to her so justice will be rendered for her. I am just skeptic at this point.jmo
June 23rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Vic Micolucci (WJXT) @vicmicolucci
There is a lot of talk that Ronald Cummings (Haileigh’s dad) was released from prison. I checked — he’s out to court but still in custody.
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tHIS GUY IS FROM cHANNEL 4 NEWS OUT OF jACKSONVILLE AND HE SAYS rON IS IN COURT. JMO
June 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Court on Saturday? Highly unlikely.
June 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Me too lfj, just posted the same info on part 4. I would love for this to be about Haleigh but unfortunately, I don’t think it is.
Still don’t get vinelink’s released on his own recognizance tho. That just makes no sense.
June 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 pm
micki @orlandomicki
We are being told that Ron is being transferred to Brevard County-Now it’s wait and see where he turns up. http://bit.ly/LeFuB3
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hmmm. makes sence since Lindsie Myers is charged in Brevard county for his sentence and PCSD uses Brevard as a back up when they have too many prisoners. jmo
June 23rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Interesting trio in Putnam county jail, wonder if this is the reason Ron is being moved for court? Guess its a wait and see if he turns up in Putnam County on Monday? If I am right about who Jane is she was at Chads with the other 2 Lookadoo and Pytko at Chad elliotts home near the Mondex that night…Joe Pytkos claim Haleigh died at the party puts him in this mess and Jane can say whether he was there that night or not…jmo
June 24th, 2012 at 3:09 am
tobias, I’m thinking about Jane, the letter and the mondex too. Is nurselady around? I wonder if she has any inside information. I’m also wondering if this has anything to do with Tommy being scared of Mr. Brown’s visits. If the party OD theory is close to the truth, and I think it might be, why would Tommy be so scared? Except for claiming to witness his cousin murder Haleigh, that is. Is he worried about getting caught in a whopping lie, or is something else bothering him? He’s a strange one. If I remember correctly, wasn’t Tommy in jail at the time of the mondex activity? He said Misty wasn’t at home, and then the pond was drained. He seems to be in the middle of everything. But for the record, I think he denied tipping the police off to the mondex.
June 24th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Cheryl yes Tommy was incarcerated at the time of the mondex search in Sept 2009. NN was also incarcerated in putnam. LE says the info did not come from them. They said it came from an inmate out of state. LE is allowed to lie so who knows. WBG was also jailed for a few hours during the pond search.jmo
June 24th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Chad Elliott (the guy who owns the party house on Stokes landing ie mondex and patient to WBG) was also brought in shortly after all of this…and now we see Lookadoo and Joe Pytkoo (guy who supposedly told LE about the mondex according to LE AND nAYnAY)
I have noticed if there are questions LE wants there is usually an arrest to follow so they can get their info…see the pattern? jmo
June 24th, 2012 at 10:37 am
NayNay also puts in that letter that Joe Pytko is Donnies friend..jmoVAV
June 24th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
yes she does Tobias. In the Barbara Freeman tapes Barbara also says that Donnies is friends with the dealer Ron robbed.jmo
June 24th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Cummings v. PDM Bridges, LLC
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Plaintiff: Ronald Lemyles Cummings, Sr.
Defendant: PDM Bridges, LLC
Case Number: 3:2011cv00493
Filed: May 17, 2011
Court: Florida Middle District Court
Office: Jacksonville Office
County: Volusia
Presiding Judge: Harvey E. Schlesinger
Referring Judge: Thomas E. Morris
Nature of Suit: Civil Rights – Americans with Disabilities – Employment
Cause: Americans with Disabilities Act
Jurisdiction: Federal Question
Jury Demanded By: Both
Can anyone shed some light on why Ron waited until May 2011 TO SUE pdm? This is just too strange how it just popped up on a google search after all this time…jmo
June 24th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Now what is this all about?
http://radionewz.net/2012/06/bombshell-joe-overstreets-aunt-vickie-unloads-shocker/
June 25th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Looks like Ronald is in Brevard Co jail and has another charge.
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/detailsAction.do?siteId=10000&agency=5&id=328412&searchType=offender
June 25th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Offender Details
Offender Name: RONALD L CUMMINGS
Offender ID:328412Date of Birth:10/29/1983Age: 28 Race: White Gender: Male
Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender:BREVARD COUNTY JAIL
Click Here for Charge Details
Charge 1 Charge Code:AN UNSPECIFIED CHARGE
Charge Description:*HOLD DOC LIBERTY CI*~12DR026761 (ORDERCharge Level:Unknown
Stranger and stranger…wonder what is going on?
June 25th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Something he did in prison? or Haleigh related? IHNI
June 25th, 2012 at 9:52 am
That forum is notorious for rumors..I would not believe a thing from that blog site…unless there was a link to it…this is what happens when bloggers start to befriend relatives and people involved in a case..if this is true why tell a blogger and not the LE or FBI when they were down there interviewing Joe??? I dont see Monica or Vickie as the type who would just stand back and not tell when Haleigh was missing. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Vicky is very close to Joe on his facebook commenting about his photos etc. her son Jeff Perry is also close to Joe, so why is this???? Makes you wonder about these people..alot. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I also find it very discusting to put this out on the internet because this little girl is only about 14 years old and she sure doesnt need this all read by people who may know her, true or untrue its just not right. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Tobias, This is old news. I’ve had it rattling around in my files for two years. I haven’t posted any specifics with names etc because I didn’t see any need to embarrass a young lady. It does show that JO has a propensity/sexual attraction to very young girls. Also in Haleigh’s case, a few days before she disappeared she told Joe that he “was ugly and she didn’t like him.” I’ve had some psychoanalytical work done on Joe’s personality and he has a personality disorder where he would be pissed off at Haleigh for saying that (his own lack of self-esteem) and want to”settle the score” before he left town. Most rational adults would just have brushed it off as coming from a 5 year old. But Joe’s personality makeup is such that he would think she was serious and he would be greatly offended by that remark. I suppose I could bring out all of the facts on the rape case, but to what means?
June 25th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Well if he did this they need to fix it cause its all on them for not stopping it from the first time..just my opinion on why people need to stand up and not cover these things up cause it could have all been prevented if this is all true. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 11:39 am
I couldn’t agree more. They should’ve fixed it long ago! And why did CC and TC let JO stay at their house w/ their little kids???!!! I’m sorry but that entire family gives me the creeps.
Imo, the big news right now is wth is happening w/ Cummings??!!??
June 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Brevard County is in Jacksonville and he has a civil suit against PDM so its possibly because of this case..we will know soon I am sure no matter what it is. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I was reading about the civil suit at WS. Apparently he filed in 2011 claiming some kind of disability. Whatever…if there’s $$ to be made off his daughters death, he’ll find a way. MO
Weird that it says he has a charge on vinelink tho. I’m thinking he may have done something in prison but ICBTW.
June 25th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBQQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjacksonville.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2F2012-06-25%2Fstory%2Fronald-cummings-moved-brevard-county-jail-court-hearing&ei=IZHoT4mCOae36QHq0unfDg&usg=AFQjCNHtW6eoMXX3p-gYBLYCHkfL5cto2w&sig2=8O8PF5cWTSP6RHI_Eb5hqw
wOW PRESS HAS IT…JMO
June 25th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
All I can say is OMG really? This guy doesnt know when to stop…poor Junior…jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Brevard County in the Cocoa beach,Titusville, the cape and Melbourne area. Duvall County is Jacksonville,Fl.
I realize vicky just now comes forward with this publicly. Secretly a couple of years ago after Haleigh disappeared. IDK but there would have been evidence of a raped 4 year old little girl. Why would she have had to testify? It would of been ultimately clear she was raped! This is the word used. Joe may have been 14 but he would not have been let off easily by the State Of Tennessee IMO. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Well, it’s a relief that “he’s not running around loose” that’s a fact. His fan club was doing the happy dance at JQ that he was “out.” Ugh
Is the iron cross/swastika hanging off that spiffy necklace tat?
June 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I am so glad he is not running around loose. He is the worst of the bunch that got caught up in that sting!jmo
Looks like he spends alot of time in the sun.
Sounds like Crystal may not be taking jr too see him in his new home.
jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
http://web.utk.edu/~scheb/overview.html
Tennesses laws and punishments.jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Part Il
First Line Criminal Justice Advocacy
E. Arrest and Arraignment: Sex Crimes and
Domestic Violence
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Arrest
If the suspect has not been arrested
If the suspect has been arrested
Arraignment
Criminal Protective Orders
Advantages of Criminal Protective Orders
Disadvantages of Criminal Protective Orders
How to Obtain a Criminal Protective Order
Sample Letter to the Judge re Protective Order and/or Bail Requests
Bail
Has the District Attorney Filed Adequate Charges in the Case?
Arrest
If the suspect has not been arrested:
If the suspect has not been arrested it’s important to determine why not, and to determine if, indeed, there should have been an arrest. Most states in the US have pro-arrest policies when there is probable cause of domestic violence, as do most individual jurisdictions. Knowing the laws and policies governing your police should make it fairly easy in most cases for you to determine whether or not there should have been an arrest in your client’s case. (As mentioned earlier, it’s critical for advocates to have copies of, and be familiar, with your local jurisdiction’s written law enforcement policies on domestic violence and sexual assault.)
In general, in California, if there is any injury to the victim, “no matter how slight”, police should make an arrest. If you feel there should have been an arrest in your client’s case, and there was not, call the on-duty sergeant or call the head of the police domestic violence unit and ask why there was no arrest.
When you make these calls, it’s always a good idea to take notes on the answers you’re given, especially if the answers are ridiculous. Also, make sure that a crime report was actually written, and that the crime report has been, or is being sent up to the district attorney’s office. If, after looking at the case, the ranking officer argues that the responding officer was correct in not making an arrest, but you still believe the suspect should have been arrested, you’ll need to escalate your advocacy strategies to make the arrest happen. (See Part III, “When Push Comes to Shove”.)
One common legitimate reason police may not have made an arrest, even if there was sufficient evidence for an arrest, is that the suspect fled the scene and couldn’t be found. Once the suspect has managed to evade police and police have moved on to their next call, police will rarely double back and go looking for the suspect. However, if your client is able to determine the suspect’s whereabouts and then gives this information to police, police will often follow-up on the information and make the arrest. So if your client’s up to it, have her dig around a bit to the extent that it’s safe, and then get the information to the police, and, if necessary, push police to make the arrest. Since victims know the suspect well, if they’re willing to make a few calls, they can usually come up with the suspect’s whereabouts in no time.
In addition, if the suspect has not been arrested because he has fled the scene, check to make sure the officer has issued a ‘stop and hold order’. A ‘stop and hold order’ is an order put out over the police communication system giving notice to other officers that the suspect of given description should be detained.
If the suspect was not arrested because there was no injury, ask the victim if she was informed by the officer, as is required by most law enforcement domestic violence policies, that the victim had the right to make a citizens arrest. If the officer didn’t so inform the victim, you and she should complain to the department.
NOTE: In Rape and Child Molest Cases police rarely make an arrest right after the victim has made the report. One reason this is so is because it generally takes some time to develop the kind of evidence needed to prove a case of sexual assault. Another reason is that some of the common sexual assault investigative techniques, such as pretext calls, can only be done if the defendant is not in custody. (For more discussion of these issues, see the section on sex crimes.)
Victims of rape and child molestation are usually very upset and concerned that the suspect isn’t arrested immediately after the victim makes the report. Sex crimes victims often take the lack of arrest to mean that the police don’t believe her. Her friends and family also come to the same unfortunate conclusion that this means police don’t believe the victim’s story about the sexual assault. This easily leads to increased erosion of a sex crimes victim’s already fragile support system.
In addition to concerns that police don’t believe them, the lack of immediate arrest also makes sex crimes victims very fearful that the perpetrator is still out there able to retaliate against her for having made the report. This victim fear is legitimate.
Since most sex crimes perpetrators know their victims well, and since perpetrator and victim usually have important shared social circles, sex crimes perpetrators frequently launch all kinds of retaliatory attacks against the victim, from harassment campaigns, to organizing their shared social circle against her, to threats and attacks of bodily harm.
(See http://www.justicewomen.com, “Special for Rape Victims” for tips on how to prevent and deal with these common problems)
All in all, it’s very important that you, the victim’s advocate, explain to sex crimes victims, and to the victim’s support system if possible, that in most sex crimes cases the perpetrator won’t be arrested until after police complete their investigation. Advocates should routinely have this discussion with their client even if the client doesn’t specifically ask about it. It is also critical to remind sexual assault victims that every and all harassment or retaliation by the perpetrator should be reported to the detective or prosecutor assigned to the case.
Remember, too, that any and all attempts to dissuade a witness from testifying or attempts to get the victim to change her testimony are a crime, whether committed by the perpetrator or by anyone else.jmo
I do realize that some older victims get scared and dont follow through or report at all. However the mother would of been there for the little girl and could have reported this scare tactic.jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
1988)
COMMENT: State statute that permitted child witness to testify behind screen, so that a criminal defendant could observe the witness but that witness was shielded from seeing the defendant, violates the Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment. Court leaves open the possibility that exceptions to this rule may exist “when necessary to further an important public policy,” and left open the possibility that in a particular case, such a measure may be constitutional if there are individualized findings that a particular witness needed special protection. See Maryland v. Craig, 497 U.S. 836, 110 S.Ct. 3157, 111 L.Ed.2d 666, supra.
See also White v. Illinois, 502 U.S. 346, 112 S.Ct. 736, 60 LW 4094 (1992), where the court held that the Confrontation Clause is not violated upon admission of hearsay that is admissible under a “firmly rooted” exception to the hearsay rule, such as the “excited utterance” exception (e.g. Wis. Stat. §908.03(2)).
See State v. Thomas, 150 Wis. 2d 374, 442 N.W. 2d 10 (1989), where the court, in the wake of Coy v. Iowa upheld the constitutionality and the application of portions of Wis. Stat. §967.04(7) which provides a procedure in criminal proceedings for videotaping a deposition of a child victim/witness for use at trial upon a particularized showing of need for special protection.
http://dha.state.wi.us/home/Digest01/c2.htm jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I didnt think of this till I got home just now and read this is in Southern Florida…It could be Amber wants Ron to sign away his parental rights to Jordan or hit him up for child support. She is now pregnant and has a new guy she is engaged to so it could be Amber..jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
This needs to stop …we are all wanting to find out what happened to Haleigh but others seem to be more concerned about their own agenda..and this just proves it they would rather drag this 13 year old into this mess rather than just keep it off the internet…this blog person Radio clearly has no heart..she doesnt even care about this girl and neither do the others who are posting it all over twitter…makes me sick.jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
I agree Tobias. This is just rediculous. We all want justice for Haleigh and I really dont like to have this little 13 year old girl being put out for all the world too see. Anyone that has followed this case and knows who is who will know whom this 13 year old girl is. What about her feelings!!! Whether it did or did not happen. Did you all ask her how she would feel about all of you going out and spreading all of her personal life on the internet? They all should be ashamed of themselves.This little girl is NOT apart of Haleighs case.jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
One more thing that I dont post about that has been reported is which I am not sure has any merit at all,but the report is out there that the school had told Ronald that Haleigh was acting out in a sexual manner in school and then there was reports that Marie had taken pics of haleigh and turned those pics over to LE. I dont know if this is true at all but if there is merit someone was hurting Haleigh well before Joe O.went to Satsuma,fl. I do keep that in the back of my mind because if that someone thought they were fixing to be exposed they may have gotten rid of the main witness.jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
spammed again.
Mr.Brown how is it going? Just wanted you to know you are being thought of.
You are appreciated and Haleigh still needs you as we all do. Thank you sooooo much Mr.Brown. jmo
June 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
tobias, I agree with you about the Radio person. I saw where he/she cussed somebody out something fierce, and reallly all it accomplished, was he/she came across as a psycho. I won’t go back to that blog.
June 26th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Steven is correct..This has been around from the beginning of the case..Flo even referred to it..Has never been a secret..
June 26th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Respectfully ,
The little girl is not the criminal and has absolutely nothing to feel ashamed of. She is or was the victim. The secret or shame of rape and or molestation is extremely damaging to victims. This child never received justice and to continue to conceal the truth of what happened to her perpetuates her victimization. She needs to have her truth told so she can begin and or continue to heal. The fact that her molester never faced punishment does a lot of damage in itself. The fact that no one speaks of it makes a victim feel more shame and greater anger. I have worked with many victims, adults and children a like. I myself am a victim of sexual abuse. There is nothing that helps a victim more than speaking of their victimization, telling their story and seeing the truth told or knowing the truth is known. Another important part of healing is the punishment of the perpetrator of such a crime.
I am not saying a blog is the place to reveal this information, but her grandmother and other relatives have spoken about it for a long time now and really have no reason to hide this information. The only reason it has not been widely published and proven with more concrete facts is that it never went to trial when it should have. The denial from the perp would also be re-victimizing the victim. Since it did not go to trial there is no way that the perp would ever admit it then or now. Thus denial on his part would/ did further harm the victim at this time. At 13 or 14 now she knows what happened. The fact that she did not receive her justice is sad, but she should not be made to keep silent now and neither should her loved ones.
As far as her being made to testify, as it states in the post above, the 6th amendment gives an accused a right to face their accuser. She would have had to testify in the case. This is something that happens everyday in our Country. T This is one reason so many SO walk free to offend again and again. An extremely difficult decision for a parent. Protect the child from testifying and allow the perp to walk or make the child testify and watch a prosecutor twist their words and make them look like unbelievable witnesses. A dilemma of this crime against children. One that needs to be solved IMO.
As far as damaging this child by telling her story, well the damage to her is in not telling it. If enough people realize that being an abuse victim should carry no stigma, then perhaps fewer men and women will have to wait until age 59 (like Gabriel Byrne) â or 49 like Mackenzie Phillips or 40 like Tyler Perry â before they open up about their pain.
The real harm is done by denying the event ever happened. If it did not happen I am pretty sure there would be an anxious attorney ready to file suit for slender and defamation of character for his innocent client. JMO So far we have not seen this in this case.
Some good information on this is subject is on the link below.
http://www.secasa.com.au/sections/for-students/the-child-abuse-accommodation-syndrome/
June 26th, 2012 at 1:20 am
What I find very interesting is it seemed ok and even necessary to discuss MC’s rape at 13. Accusing her of falsifying the rape charge for which there was a conviction. Speculating on all her sexual habits as a child in her past, even at the young age of 12 to 16. Saying really some pretty judgmental and unfounded things about her sexual behaviors. Discussing and accusing MC of making up her abuse, there has been a lot of discussion on MC’s sex life or sexual abuse as a child. But then discussing this 13 or 14 year old girls experience is awful. I am not sure I get the difference. MC was raped and it was the topic of conversation for days. MC was molested by JO apparently and it was dismissed after calling her a liar. Why the outrage if this girl’s family comes forward to tell their story again?
I was sickened by the talk of MC making up her rape charges but that did not stop the conversation. That rape had nothing to do with this case. Now JO molesting a 5 year old? Well to me that could have some connection to this case. JMO. I am glad Vicki finally came forward to the public with the information. She, her daughter or her granddaughter have nothing to be ashamed of. IMO
June 26th, 2012 at 1:26 am
Mr Brown,
Hope you are doing well. Waiting for updates and a thumbs up. Let us know as you can. Take care and know you are in our prayers.
June 26th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Nurse, we realize this info has been around awhile. Did Flo really have a boyfriend named Joe also at the time? Tina said the little girl was taken to the doctor and nothing was found. Is this true? If so, it was not RAPE! RAPE would have been evident if a 4 year old little girl had been raped by a 14 year old boy. LE , DCF and the State Attorney would have field day with all that evidence. Molestation of some sort a little harder to determine. To my knowledge at this point it was Misty who claimed Haleigh was raped and murdered. Tommy said Haleigh died by strangulation he thought. FACT is we dont know Haleighs cause of death. We have info that leads us to believe it could have been an OD, a retaliation or sold/traded for drugs .
America already knew the possibilities that Joe may have this kind of tendencies. what possessed anyone to feel it was alright to put this info on the internet? Did anyone ask the the little girls permission? Honestly with what Tina said and now Vicky recanted she said anything like that about Joe, ( Vicky said it is people trying to start crap again.)we are right back to where we started. A possibility. What good did it do? I just hope this dont effect the INNOCENT little girls life and feelings.jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Why are these 2 sisters airing their dirty laundry via Twitter and blogs at the expense of their own kids? THAT speaks volumes to me. There’s something contrived about all this, imo. It looks like the JO did it camp just upped the ante. Unless any of this has something to do w/ what happened to Haleigh, I choose not to participate. It’s like following behind a horse and then complaining about all the @#$% you’re stepping in. Wake up, fgs.
June 26th, 2012 at 11:24 am
You know how it is Grace tit for tat. I love the following behind a horse and then complaining stepping in all the#### . LOL
jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 11:59 am
LFJ, Have you got any link or specifics as to when Tommy or anyone else said she died of strangulation? I would be very interested.
June 26th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Well, there you go then, lfj. I love my shoes and my stomach too much, I guess.
June 26th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
AH descibed them as a close knit family that protects each other. Really? That must be when they’re not accusing each other of murder, rape, molestation, pedophilia, incest, substance abuse, extortion and withholding evidence. Did I forget anything?..that was just off the top of my head.
Imo, the JO did it camp is trying to make something of JO’s latest arrest that included contributing to the deliquency of a minor. That could mean anything, including paticipating in a crime w/ a minor. Yet to some it just HAS to mean something sexual.
It’s mind numbing how easily led some are. MO
June 26th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Posts getting caught in spam.
I beg to differ that discussing this on the internet, including the alleged victim’s name aids in anyone’s HEALING. Are you serious? This is just feeding the disgusting curiosity of a bunch of bottom feeders that can’t seem to get enough of this crap. It was up to the FAMILY to do something about it and it still is. If JO is all that and then some, those that have something on him need to take it straight to the authorities, not spread it all over the internet.
I’m so done w/ this now. Enjoy.
June 26th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I agree Grace I also am dropping even discussing this..jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
So why was Ron in court for custody issues? Was it Crystal or Amber or some other girl we dont know about? I know some women want parental right dropped so they can have the child adopted by a step parent and this way they are eligable for benefits from the step parent. I know Amber is in a new relationship and pregnant so she may be asking Ron to give up parental rights but I dont think Ron would even fight that one..No I have the feeling its about Crystal..jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Yes there was a link. Let me see if I can retrieve that for you.jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Tommy Croslin Attorney Says Haleigh Was Strangled
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1008/20/ng.01.html
here you go Steve. God Bless. jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Looking for justice,I have no idea who Flo’s boyfriends were!! All this shows is Joe did do something to this little girl at a very young age!!
June 26th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
NOTE: in the link on 58.
GRACE: But assuming it`s true, why didn`t she shoot the hell out of the guy that was hurting the baby?
HARRIS: Well, Nancy, I`m going to report on Artharris.com, Misty slept with this pistol under her pillow. But that night, she didn`t have it. She told her grandmother, Flora Hollars, and her lawyer that had she had it, she would have shot Tommy, and that would have been
Misty says she would have shot Tommy! jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Family members and sources close to the case tell me Croslin now claims she lied about her allegation that cousin Joe Overstreet snatched Haleigh to cover up yet another horror even closer to home. During her four hour interrogation Friday, The Bald Truth learned exclusively that Misty Croslin now claims it was her own brother, Tommy Croslin, who came to the trailer that night, took Haleigh and fabricated the cousin Joe-machine gun story.
Then, my sources say, she told police Tommy pressured her to go along with it.
Her attorney, Robert Fields, confirmed she met with investigators, but declined to comment further.
“She told me she kept telling the police if they wanted to know what really happened, they had to get Tommy to talk, that he can tell them everything,” her mother, Lisa Croslin, told The Bald Truth after speaking with Misty
http://www.artharris.com/2010/09/26/exclusive-tommy-croslin-took-haleigh-misty-changes-story-not-cousin-joe-overstreet/
June 26th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
link in spam
June 26th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
No this shows Joe was accused of this..jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
âNext thing, heâll be accused as the mystery man behind the JFK assassination,â scoffs Shoemaker, adding had law enforcement not believed he was telling the truth about Misty and information he provided about the night Haleigh vanished, prosecutors would not have agreed to a plea in his drug case.
this is from the link in spam. Shoemaker quoted this.
I still wonder what info Ron could have told LE about the night Haleigh vanished. He was allegedly at work and unable to reach misty. How could he know a darn thing?jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
tobias..Yes,you are correct!! He was accused,and it was not investigated further!!!Sad!!!
June 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
How do you know it wasnt investigated? According to Tinas statement it was and they had no evidence it occured..G Hollars would have told it like it was just like everything else she said but she claimed she knew nothing about that. And why would she do this since she felt in her heart it was Joe? jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Shoemaker better catch up. It was JO behind the fence on the grassy knoll.
June 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
right Tobias Joe O was only accussed.
Nurse, I asked the question about the boyfriend named Joe;not who all of Flos male companions were. Just this one at that same time frame. If they told you everything did they fail to mention this at the time?
Look i know Joe O is no saint. He could very well have these tendencies. LE was involved ,apparently there was no evidence of a RAPE, which is a great difference than molestation but both are unfathomable. The accussation that has been put out is rape. If there had been proof which would have been evident then there would have been a further investigation.jmo
I myself am now done with this topic.thanks jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Justice,yes..Tina told me yesterday..Flo had a boyfriend named Joe at the same time..I too am done with this topic!!!!
June 26th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Cummings, who is currently serving a 15-year prison sentence over prescription drug dealing, is seeking custody of his son.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/From-jail-Ronald-Cummings-seeks-custody-of-son/-/11788162/15273866/-/6egj2h/-/index.html#ixzz1yvwEXkRg
June 26th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/From-jail-Ronald-Cummings-seeks-custody-of-son/-/11788162/15273866/-/6egj2h/-/index.html#ixzz1yvM2a4il
I cant even comment on this one so just read it and be amazed. jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Ron Cummings did not apparently understand birth control.Yeah a high I-Q my rear end.No wonder he freaked out when Misty told him she was pg.jmo
I did not know his parental rights were already removed for Jr and haleigh. Thanks Grace and Tobias for the links.jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Grace#66 haaaa haaa. jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Nurselady, I dont want to be confused with the nic Justice on Radionewz blog so can you please address LFJ if you dont want to type out looking for justice.Thank you so much. jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
So many secrets….so much to hide…jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Bet Mistys head is spinning like a top right now..
I just have one question..why is Ron fighting this?
He could have signed those paper in prison through his lawyer if he didnt want to fight it..why drag this woman and child/ren through this???? jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
LFJ..You got it..Will do!!
June 26th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
LFJ, That is why I was hired in the first place. Get “the goods” on Ron so that Crystal Sheffield could have custody of Ron Jr. aka Butterbean. We got that accomplished in a hearing in Putnam Court. Children and Family Services petitioned the court to leave Jr. with Grandma Sykes. But partially based on information I had received and presented to the court, the judge overruled DCF and gave custody back to Crystal. There were other witnesses as well, not just me, but as far as I know, I’m the only one that had and presented negative information about Sykes to the court. I’ve never posted that information because I don’t know what good it would do.Its in the court file, but the court filed will be sealed because of the juvenile nature of the hearing. It accomplished its goal and thats what we wanted.
June 26th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Thank you very much Nurselady, I greatly appreciate it.
Tobias if Misty did not know about this woman in brevard I bet her head is spinning.
Mr.Brown you did an awesome job. I dont expect you to post anything on Annette Sykes. We have gathered much info and probably would not be shocked.I have to ask though. Did you find out this tidbit about Rons other offspring that was conceived before Crystal?
I read a law for Florida earlier that if a man gives up his rights in Florida he still has to pay support unless the mother signs documents releiving him of support responsibilities. Do you know if this same law applies if a mans rights are taken away by law?
Hope you are doing well Mr.Brown. God Bless.jmo
June 26th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
LFJ, I don’t think that is correct but I’m not a lawyer. I’ve worked dozens of “Diligence Search In Adoption Matters” and my understanding if the man looses his parental rights he no long pays child support, but I wouldn’t swear to it.
June 27th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Thanks, Mr.Brown. I guess it makes since if the law strips him he dont have to pay. Sucks for the young women though. They fair well of not having to deal with Ronald but lose the financial support.I would like to see him work on the chain gang 7 days a week and then have to turn his earnings over to trust funds for all of his offspring.
jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 9:05 am
spammed
June 27th, 2012 at 9:07 am
WESH changed their article since I posted the link yesterday. First it said the custody hearing is about jr and now they’re saying it is about another child(ren)? This is crazy.
The first article was real short and they may have just posted it in a hurry w/o fact checking (imagine that) and then due to a minor being involved decided to keep names out of it? IHNI
June 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I missed this post-
tobias Says:
June 25th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I didnt think of this till I got home just now and read this is in Southern Floridaâ¦It could be Amber wants Ron to sign away his parental rights to Jordan or hit him up for child support. She is now pregnant and has a new guy she is engaged to so it could be Amber..jmo
This could be what’s happening. I didn’t know that about Amber. Good for her and I wish her well. One has to wonder why he’d fight it but it’s Ronald Cummings so who knows. The article says previous to CS but they could’ve made a mistake and meant previous to Misty?
June 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Grace, yep I saw that. All I can say is WOW! jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
lfj- I have a post caught in spam but I think tobias’ post about Amber could be what’s happening. But then there’s the question of why would he fight that when he had no contact w/ their son anyway, according to Amber’s gma.
June 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am
IDK, the article said it was a mother and child before Crystal. Amber was after Crystal. Ambers grandmother has guardianship over Ambers son. he grandmother collects SSI for him.jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
That’s true. Another media mistake and they meant previous to Misty? Whoever it is will no doubt be next on the hit list for daring to deprive Ronnie of what’s “his.” Nevermind that he didn’t seem to be much of a father to any of them, imo. He clearly has entitlement issues, as do Neves and Sykes, who were behind all the custody stuff to begin w/. MO
June 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
So true Grace. Media could have made a mistake. I know there was a rumor that went around after Misty and Rons divorce, that the girl he was allegedly seeing ( the stripper) was PG and she moved away. Like I said it was a rumor.jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Oh geez, he’s such an irresponsible loser. MO
June 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Amber brooks (Amber brooks) (San Mateo, FL) Female Age: 23
I found her here in San mateo,fl. this is still Putnam County. approx 3-5 miles N of satsuma,fl
her birthday is 3/29/1989 means she is 23. I am guessing this is accurrate info.
June 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I do not believe it is Amber, her facebook tells about her daughter to be Mariah and who she is engaged to Corey Jones..and I have the feeling Ron already signed papers to hand over Jordan to his grandmother if she has guardianship..
what this does show is this poor woman doesnt want to be associated with Ron..LOL or have her child suffer for being his child..cant say as I blame her
Ron is definitly no prize. jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
I agree Tobias.jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
tobias,I agree..I would not want my name associated with him in any way!!
June 27th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
HMMM.Guess this is one of the not so great girlfriends TN talked about Ron having compared to great ol Misty? Maybe she needs to rethink that ..her son may not be the best boyfriend..jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Jane v. will be discussing the HALEIGH case on Thursday…Levi announced he is going to be on too.
I am more interested in Jane truthfully. LOL. jmo
June 27th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
There is no child (or children) prior to HaLeigh and Junior. More media mis-reporting. Shocking, I know.
The media is not even reporting accurately everything about what is going on regarding this hearing. That is hardly surprising considering this hearing is scheduled regarding a sealed matter and the only people that really know what are going on are the participants, family and friends. The information that has leaked out is not fully correct. Look at how it has been reported – it was first said that Ronald was seeking custody of Junior. That didn’t even make sense. Where did WESH think that he would keep Junior? In a cell with him? Feed him in the – well, whatever it is called that prisoners eat? Educate him in the prison library? That was just about the stupidest thing I’ve read surrounding this case. The media also reported that Ronald has lost his rights to HaLeigh and Junior. Also incorrect. He has lost physical custody – obviously. He’s in prison. But he did not lose his parental rights like was reported. And he has no kids prior to HaLeigh. If you do the math, he got together with Crystal when he was a fairly young teenager. I believe Ronald was 15. And they were together for years off and on.
LFJ – re: post #82 If a parent has his parental rights terminated – he is no longer responsible for child support. It means legally that child is no longer your child. You have no rights to the child and therefore, you also have no responsibility for said child. That child will be eligible to be adopted by another person, etc. HTH.
June 28th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Levi has been called out for his mistruths.
“During the weekend with only cryptic notes on inmate reports to guide discussion, the blogosphere was rife with speculation as to why Cummings was out of his jail cell. Levi Page, an Examiner writer who has followed the Haleigh Cummings case religiously, reported speculation that Cummings had turned jailhouse snitch.”
http://news.yahoo.com/ronald-cummings-release-report-false-alarm-unrelated-missing-220300402.html
I for one will not give any credence to anything he has to say about this case.
June 28th, 2012 at 1:02 am
Finally……it’s way past time for him to be held accountable for his unfounded claims and BS!! Now onto NG and all the rest who miss informed, made false accusations, unreliable reports, exaggerated claims and twisted this case into a complete mess!! All for their own gain.
No credence from me either ….for any of them or their sources “CLOSE TO THE CASE”.
TY Sweetiemom.
June 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am
There were lots of crazy claims that day, from murder charges to the family confirming he’s FREE, lol.
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1596958&postcount=578
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1597216&postcount=606
They were thrilled at the possibility that this predator is back on the streets. Go figure.
I think Tricia at WS said it best about those that vehemently protect this guy and my instincts tell me there’s MUCH more to come. MO
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2012/06/25/websleuths-radio
June 28th, 2012 at 11:31 am
It is very possible Ron fathered other children, one doesnt have to be in a relationship to father children…but I do not believe this is what is going on..I feel Ron is getting his parental rights stripped away..Crystal was given custody but Ron still had rights and more than likely wasnt too happy that she wasnt bringing Junior to the prison to visit him..so the fight starts..Also Crystal left AS and TN home ( I saw TN first unedited post on her facebook and it wasnt pretty this woman is controlling and was pissed that Crystal left) TN edited her post saying she was just hurt, yeah right..ask yourself why would Crystal just up and take off without leaving a note or discussing it? Remember what she told us long ago about their behaviors when she came to get the kids and it appears it hasnt changed…If this is what is going on GOOD FOR YOU CRYSTAL, ITS ABOUT TIME…JMO
June 28th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Bravo! to whoever it is! MO
June 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
So true, everyone of the children in this case need a new start…away from the ones in prison and the drugs etc. jmo
June 28th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Grace,tobias….Amen..Amen !!!!!
June 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
That would be the decision of the judge and the laws in your jurisdiction. In most cases signing over physical parental rights does not relieve the parent of their financial obligation unless the other parent agrees. If however, the rights are being relinquished so the child can be adopted, the court will dismiss child support obligations.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/If_you_sign_over_your_parental_rights_to_a_child_do_you_still_have_to_pay_child_support#ixzz1z7ENdFbe
this is Florida Law.
I did not know if it were different in Rons situation. jmo
The reason for this law is because the Law feels it is unfair to the child and most parents terminating their rights is for the financial reasons.They dont want to support the child.
http://www.askmehelpdesk.com/children/give-up-rights-child-still-pay-child-support-97907.html
June 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Grace and Tobias. Bravo on your posts.
It was not levis mis-truths . Everyone was baffled at what was going on? It was the web site that said Ronald was released on his own recognicance. Only reporting what we all saw and read ourselves. I mean Levi gets a little over the top sometimes but there was no mis-truths in what was reported. It was in written word. We all thought he may have been freed. I for one am soooooo glad the snake in the grass was not. I hope there is more to come and he gets all his just desserts. I personally feel he ran amock for way too long getting by with his drug selling and preying on very young girls to manipulate and use at his disposal.jmo
June 28th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Leviage and Kim Picazio will be appearing on JVM next Tuesday night for an update on Haleigh-
http://twitter.com/KLP_01/status/218441605286338560/photo/1
June 28th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
TJ HART says on his facebook that he has also been asked to appear on the show so this is going to be an interesting show…jmo
June 28th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
thanks Sweetiemom for the info.
June 28th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Thanks Tobias.Thought outta be great.jmo
June 28th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Post 109
looking for justice Says:
June 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
I don’t think anyone was referring to Levi reporting on RC release LFJ. That was confusing just as you said. It was the fact the Levi said RC was a jail house snitch and that was the reason he was out or being moved around.
Then we find out it had nothing do to with anything everyone was speculating on. Now IMO it is one thing for all of the forums posters to have speculation on this case. But these talking heads should stick to more reliable facts and keep their personal opinions out of their reporting. (NG and her crazy RC support was enough personal opinion for me) JMO I think that is what the feelings were that were being expressed. If Levi knows something FACTUAL than let him have that bomb shell. But he makes stuff up to be front and center, This is what I and others object to. IMO
This is what was written
Levi Page, an Examiner writer who has followed the Haleigh Cummings case religiously, reported speculation that Cummings had turned jailhouse snitch.
Now really is Levi just another poster who has no real information and only makes stuff up or speculates? Then why listen to him? Why is he labeled as a “writer or a show host” ? He represents himself as someone who knows things and reports information in this case. So do NG and JVM when they have him on and ask him questions about this case. He has become a source that some people actually believe and even appreciate. He is quoted on the forms. To me and others he should be more responsible or post a disclaimer after he expresses himself like he does. (Maybe like this…. I Levi Page do not know anymore than the rest of the posters but I got lucky and am a regular on NG and JVM because I was and am so over the top. All of my information is what I think and want others to believe but most if just unfounded speculation.
(Just kidding about the disclaimer) Really though he does need to stop the BS. IMO
June 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Speculating on how RC could be released on his own recognizance and claiming it’s been VERIFIED that he’s out and free are 2 very different things. One is speculation and the other is total bs that was repeated and celebrated. Whoever started that one knew it was bs because it never happened. And those that repeated it had their i’s crossed and their t’s dotted. MO
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1596958&postcount=578
June 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am
LOL at the upcoming JVM show. MO
June 29th, 2012 at 9:33 am
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/28/12452871-cops-hunt-predator-who-killed-six-year-old-girl-dumped-her-body-in-utah-canal?lite
when will this stop?? I hope the perp is caught and prosecuted.jmo
June 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48009073/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
June 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47926150/ns/local_news-orlando_fl/t/man-accused-burying-body-has-violent-past/
My husband and I were driving down to Port orange and saw 3 news choppers in the air just hovering. we thought man what is going on over there. Later that evening we turned on the news to find out about a discovery of human remains in the mans back yard that had been arrested for raping a 9 year old girl and dropping her at a police station. Thank God he spared her life. The body to my knowledge has not been officially identified but The Starr family believes it is their daughter.
I remember Chastity when she was a young teen. We use to see the family at wild cat lake in the summer time. My daughter went to school with her Brother. I recall seeing the news when she disappeared. It was then I found out that she had fell into a hard life . I am glad this may be her . Chastitys family have been searching high and low. They felt that she was deceased due tothe amount of blood they found in her eff. apartment. Perhaps now they can have closure and put their daughter to rest .
There is a chance he could be the man that murdered 3 other prostitutes and left them off clyde morris and williamson areas. I recall it being reported the person responsible made a mistake that last time. If this is the man it may explain why he changed up his mo and buried her in his back yard.
I am so glad this monster is behind bars. On the back of the votran bus is another pic of a young woman Laurel Rogers from the Port Orange area that also has been missing . She is not a prostitute, but neither was the poor little 9 year old. If he murdered her i hope he reveals where she is.jmo
June 29th, 2012 at 10:41 am
post stuck in spam
With all that’s going in the Zimmerman case, I’ll be surprised if JVM spends a lot of time on RC being transfered to a co jail awaiting a closed hearing because a minor(s) is involved.
What’s there to say?
June 29th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Thats true Grace. She normally runs short segments on the less important cases. I just hope the segment shines a little more light as to what is going on.jmo
June 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I agree LFJ, it may help the case get noticed again…jmo
June 29th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Grace thanks for the link on post 103 for Triciasblogtalkradio. I finally got too listen. Well in what I heard was Levi said that there are theories on why Ron might have been freed ,transfered etc…. He said what people are thinking he could be a jail house snitch due to something that happened behind bars. I did not hear him say as fact that was what the issue was or call Ron that. He said people are also thinking it has to do with Haleigh. Honestly he was very calm compared to ome of his reportings,especially on Ronald Cummings.
Grace I also agree on Tricia saying Ronald is a total scumbag!!! JMO
June 29th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
post stuck in spam
June 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
I think you misunderstood my post, lfj. I wasn’t talking about Levi in the WS interview, I was talking about what Tricia said about those that support Ronald.
Yesterday I said there was some crazy claims made that day…from murder charges to RC is free. Then I posted what was said about RC being free. That wasn’t about Levi either. I don’t think he started that rumor. I don’t know who did, but I don’t think it was Levi.
Hope that clears it up.
June 30th, 2012 at 8:09 am
lfj- I’ve had a post stuck in spam since yesterday. Long story, short…I think you misunderstood. I wasn’t talking about Levi.
June 30th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Frankly, I’m not sure how you even came to that conclusion but I’ll write it off as a misunderstanding and repeat what I said the other day…the JO did it camp just raised the ante. I’ll amend that to the Ronnie didn’t do it camp because, imo, that’s who is behind the latest campaign. Listen carefully to what Tricia said. She should know…her forum has covered many cases. MO
June 30th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I agree the bloggers are all wondering what is going on with Ron now and with his civil suit against PDM, so all of a sudden there is this old rumor of Joe coming back up to deflect peoples attention away from the real issue…what is Ron up to now and also in his civil suit against PDM…JMO
June 30th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Exactly, tobias. MO
June 30th, 2012 at 11:43 am
On a more important note, I’ve never seen posts stuck in spam this long before. I hope SKB is alright.
June 30th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Grace, sorry, I thought I checked the spam folder before I went to sleep last night but I guess I didn’t.
June 30th, 2012 at 11:59 am
How are you? Hope you are regaining your strength after the low platelets…jmo
June 30th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
No apologies necessary, SKB I’m just glad you’re okay.
June 30th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Wow I sure hope people on a certain blog realize if they call Joes employer it hurts his business and that just not right..other people have jobs at this place..and so what if Joe has a job..really ???
People need to stop with the off blog crap..jmo
June 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
No Grace, i made the post in reference to Barbs post to me. Sorry I should have calrified. I do agree with Tricia on Ron supporters also.I also wanted to thank you for the link to listen for myself what was stated. Thanks again.jmo
June 30th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
WOW! Tobias really people are going to call Joe O.s work? They are going to need more than an accussation. They best have absolute proof and a conviction or they themselves are going to find themselves in the court house in front of a judge instead of Joe O.
jmo
June 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
spam stole my post.
Praying for you Mr.Brown.jmo
June 30th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
LOL! Clarified. jmo
June 30th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I would like to find out if Ron is the plaintive (pationer) or the defendant in this case…
If he plans on winning his suit against PDM this could be Ron getting rid of parental obligations so he doesnt have to give up any money if he wins against PDM…jmo
July 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Prayers going out to Steve tonight. God Bless him and keep him safe
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:08 am
Barbara,I agree,praying for him daily
July 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
PDM fired him for abandoning his job. I found an old Dana Treen article but you have to sign up to read the whole thing.
http://business.highbeam.com/435900/article-1G1-197865501/missing-girl-father-fired-plant-job-cummings-work-key
AH wrote this-
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/18/haleigh-cummings-dad-protests-firing/
AIR, there were rumors that people were calling PDM and that’s why Cummings was fired. I doubt that. Why should they hold a job open for someone that is so irresponsible they don’t even call in 2 mos? He and his attys were looking at this as another easy cash opportunity way back in April of ’09. I wonder if he is representing himself now or has other legal representation. MO
July 2nd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Hang in there Mr. Brown everyone is sending strength through prayer…jmo
July 2nd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CIgBEBYwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cumc.columbia.edu%2Fdept%2Fmedicine%2Fbonemarrow%2Fbmtinfo.html&ei=B-nxT5msDMPY6wGZ7cW0Bg&usg=AFQjCNHohHEQGXS7_vDCvc5QqFymGReyPg&sig2=4VjGkRXa2yslqws_wItgZw
July 2nd, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Mr.Brown,
I hope you are doing ok. I hope you are resting ok. Now ,with that said we all get worried if you didnt even type hello to us in a couple days. No pressure,LOL!
Praying for you,
Jeremiah 29:11 tells us
For I know the plans I have for you.They are plans of good and not for disasters, to give you a future and a hope.
God Bless you and your family.
No opinions on this post just facts.
July 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Be at Peace
Do not fear the changes of life–
Rather look to them with full hope as they arise.
God, whose very own you are,
Will deliver you from out of them.
He has kept you hitherto,
And He will lead you safely through all things;
And when you cannot stand it,
God will bury you in His arms.
Do not be afraid of what may happen tomorrow;
The same everlasting Father who cares for you today
Will take care of you then and every day.
He will either shield you from suffering,
Or He will give you unfailing strength to bear it.
Be at Peace–
And put aside all anxious thoughts and imaginations.
–St. Francis de Sales
July 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That is beautiful Grace.
July 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I hope it brings some comfort to SKB.
Thanks for posting the link to bone marrow transplants, tobias. It really put things in perspective.
July 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Grace re: post #142
Ronald has attorneys representing him on the PDM lawsuit.
As far as people calling into Joe’s work, I think that is awful. Same as when people did it to Ronald, or anyone else. Just not fair to do that to someone. And I have no positive thoughts about Joe. I do not think he is a good person. At all. But setting out to deliberately harm another person is never a good thing. And that is what the people who are calling his job are doing- trying to cause trouble for him.
Mr. Brown, Sending you lots of well wishes for your treatments. Always keep the end result you hope to achieve in your sights!
July 2nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
YW, I just thought it would let everyone know more about what may be going on right now, I am sure he will post and tell us his first hand experience…
I am glad he is doing this for anyone else going through this, I feel it gives others hope. jmo
July 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Grace that is very beautiful and I am sure it will bring Mr.Brown comfort.jmo
July 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Some very beautiful and meaningful thoughts are shared here today. I hope Steve is able to know how much he is thought about and prayed for. LFJ and Grace thank you for posting and sharing those beautiful inspirational posts. Tobias thank you for the information it is appreciated.I agree it will give others hope.
God be with Steve and with his family
July 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Thanks for all of the well wishes. Had a couple of very tiring days but I expect to upload a new post tomorrow.
July 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Forget the POST !!! Just concentrate on your health and don’t make us hold our breaths so long……LOL So glad to see you here tonight. Just rest and type hello every now and then when you feel like it. Everything else can wait. We aren’t going anywhere.
July 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am
Steve,Just rest!Listen to your body!You need lots of sleep,everything will still be here for you when you feel better!!
July 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 am
Grace thanks for the links on 142.
Does anyone here recall as I do, TN was on NG and NG asked about whats going to happen to Rons job because he had not gone back to work yet. This is well before PDM let him go. TN told NG that Ron could find a job anywhere.jmo
glad too see you on Mr.Brown.
July 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
6wks is the usual leave allowed by the federal leave act..which Ron did not qualify for since had not worked an entire year yet at PDM, under law PDM did not have to hold Rons job for even the length they did,and what do they get for being nice to Ron and letting him keep his job until they finally had to call him and ask when he planned on returning?
They got a law suit, Ron was asked to take a drug test which is normal procedure after being off work for 6 wks. it is not just the Company that requies this but their Insurance. Insurance companys require drug test especially in enviorments with heavy equiptment where someone could be injured or killed because someone is impaired, this leaves them open for wrongful death and injury lawsuits…PDM did the right thing for all it amployees by asking for a drug test. jmo
July 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
SKB- It’s always good to see your posts but I agree w/ barbara and nurselady…take care of yourself, we can wait.
BeachBum- Thanks. I agree. It’s WRONG no matter who is doing the calling or who they are calling about. It’s just ugly and vindictive, imo.
lfj- I think you’re right. I think she did say that and later Ronald said he can never work again. The players in this case are a big mass of contradictions. MO
July 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Yeah they are a big mass of contradictions. Ron said no one would hire him AFTER he was let go from PDM. jmo
July 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Heck I keep shoes longer than Ron keeps jobs..why should an employer keep him he was only there for 6-7 months and was already making calls on company time, was given plenty of time off even though he didnt qualify for it and Ron didnt seem to worried because PDM had to call him to find out what he planned on doing, Ron never called them, no where in his deposition in the law suit does it say Ron called PDM TO CHECK ON HIS JOB…JMO
July 3rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
True tobias. Ron had just passed his 90 day probationary period when Haleigh disappeared. He worked 3 months and off 4 months due to the disappearance of his daughter. Ron still had a responsibility to keep in contact with his employers. TN making that statement on NG I am sure did not help Ron very much. It made it sound as though Ron was not worried about his employment. He could get another job if he needed to. I am sure aunt Katrina,may she rest in peace, gave him work. He also had donations during that time. jmo
July 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Does anyone have a link to the deposition? TIA
July 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
If you go on the blogger forum it is on there , it is very hard to down load and post but one of our bloggers is good at it and has access to them. The link would not be usefull to move since you would have to gain access and down load them all over again. jmo
July 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I can tell you as of June 2012 Ron second attempt was accepted and it appears this may go to court with a jury unless there is another hearing from PDM showing cause why it shouldnt end up in court.
Doubt they will settle since Ron in my opinion doesnt stand a chance with a jury…Ron abandoned his job when he didnt call in occassionally or at all, Ron made an issue out of PDM asking for a drug test upon reentering his job…Ron was only employed with them for 3 months when this happened. In my opinion PDM bent over backwards for Ron.jmo
July 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
http://t.co/38PdHIMg
tHERE ARE 2 CLIPS OF THE jvm SHOW AIRING TONIGHT AT 7. JMO
July 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Hi everyone..I have been reading at BNN.Some people are curious why I started posting here.The reason is Steven is actually still working on the case..Some people wonder how I met Lisa,and Hank,that would be thru Granny Flo..As for as my memory of the actual times..So sorry about that..Chemo sort of destroyed some memory.If you belong to Radio’s forum go to my old post’s there..They would have the correct time.Lisa cannot remember the time off the top of her head ,and neither can I.LE is aware of everything..They actually read all the forums,and continue to investigate.If anyone has any questions please ask,I will be more than happy to answer!! Nurse
July 4th, 2012 at 9:18 am
I have to admit the JVM show was pretty good last night! So different from the NG sound bites she repeats ad nauseum, JVM spent half the show on Haleigh. I think that was the best show I’ve seen to date. MO
July 4th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Well just watched the JVM and according to TJ ward Misty failed on the questions about Joe and Tommy(and about every question she was asked)he said it showed she knew what was going on that night. It was a very informative show, I am glad they did it, and it is interesting that LE claims they are still very much investigating this case..I wonder how they are doing that??? hmmm. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 9:39 am
post stuck in spam
I agree tobias, it was a good show. I was surprised and happy to be wrong.
MO
July 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
LOL Some people I am sure are not so happy,I do feel they should have pointed a little towards Joe also but not so much to exclude anyone else…they should all still be looked into in my opinion, but to pysically get involved in a possible suspects life is a little over the top….thats why we have LE..and Constitutional rights. We all want Haleighs case to get solved and the right one/ones to be arrested for it but if its not done correstly we could see the person walk…I couldnt live with that..jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 10:14 am
JO was mentioned but the show was about WHY was Cummings transported to Brevard Co for a closed hearing? It’s still unanswered but at least the case hasn’t fallen completely off the public and media radar. That’s got to be a good thing for anyone that really wants the truth to come out and the case solved. MO
July 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
tobias Says:
July 4th, 2012 at 10:04 am
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they should all still be looked into in my opinion, but to physically get involved in a possible suspects life is a little over the top….thats why we have LE..and Constitutional rights. We all want Haleighs case to get solved and the right one/ones to be arrested for it but if its not done correctly we could see the person walk…I couldnt live with that..jmo
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A GREAT POST Tobias, I could not agree more. To know right now no one is charged with harming this child is heartbreaking. To think someone who may be guilty as an accomplice or even the actual person who harmed her, is possibly FREE and unsuspected is a real tough pill to swallow. IMO
In reality until this is proven and charged , I will wonder and worry if the person who did this or was involved is locked up or free and victimizing another child in some way. Your point about someone walking because of improper procedures has always been a big fear of mine.
I did not see the Show yet but will look at the transcripts. Although I do not put much stock in Watts’ opinions and the way he twists things or really any of the CNN “Story tellers”, it is great to see HaLeigh’s case getting attention again. IMO
July 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Juniors therapist may have suggested from information she/he has gotten from Junior that it is not in Juniors best interest to be in Rons life?
Just a theory I have…and I do believe Junior is still seeing a therapist since it was in the custody agreement early on in the case…DCF is not gonna let that one go…jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Grace,I agree,that is another reason I started posting again.There is some movement going on in this case finally, and it needs to be rehashed again.
July 4th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Well lets hope Jane gave LE some information they can follow up on…I am sure she is still talking with them and the info SKB gave them may be followed up on also. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Jane can tell LE what she actually knows about that night and what Misty and NayNay told her about the case…she may have heard things from Hank and Lisa also, this Jane knows them and was around them Hank even mentions her, he gave her a ride..its in the jail tapes. Lindsey talks to Tommy about her, Lindsey said some girl is talking to your dad, he gave her a ride and she is telling him things. I cant remember to quote it but it is there on tape. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Grace I thought it was a very good show as well.First of all, I think the biggest thanks to the new movement is this case should be given to Mr.Brown as he continues to strive for resolve to Haleighs disappearance.I have found a great respect for Steven Kerry Brown who has never given up on trying to bring Haleigh home and a hope to bring those responsible to prosecution in the name of Justice for Haleigh Anne Marie Cummings.jmo
I also noticed that TJ Ward reinterated that the statements Misty made about Joe and Tommy were false statements and inconclusive.
I noted that JVM said that Joe O. has never been arrested/convicted on molestation charges.
I also know that Joe could be involved but he dont have to be a child rapist murderer to be involved. No one should be excluded as of yet. Tobias I agree with you on this.
People talk about mothers protecting their children even when they know they have done wrong. Joes mother has been accussed of this but we also know that Teresa Neves and Annette Sykes also have done the same for Ronald Cummings. They blamed Misty, who Ron had been bedding down since she was 16, for Ronald trafficking drugs.Well what about all those other drug arrests he had before Misty was even in the picture?
Nurse while you are reading at the BNN forum feel free to post.
I had not heard that Misty made this statement to investigators before yesterday:
But then her story changed. Questioned by investigators again Misty told cops a group of people entered the trailer with a gun and in the struggle little Haleigh was snatched.
I hope Jane does tell LE everything she knows and she is truthful. I do believe jane went to that mh that night just as she has said. I also believe jane left out a few things in her story.
I for one am so glad this is not a cold case and I am glad that LE still watches the forums.
I hope everyone is having an awesome 4th of July. Be safe.
Praying for you Mr.Brown. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I must have misunderstood Mr Brown. I thought he showed TC a picture of Jane and TC said he did not know her. I also thought LC and HC said they did not know her either. Sorry can some one clarify ? Nurse do you know about Jane and the Croslins realtionship? Sorry just want to be sure I get it right.
TYIA
July 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Nurse I dont belong to radios forum. If you could please go back to your old post there and place them here or in the BNN forum.Thanks in advance. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Barb, that is what Mr.Brown said .He did not know for sure if ToC was truthful, but Tommy denied knowing Jane.
In the jail tapes jane is mentioned and even Timmy said that Jane was calling him in Mass.
The link is here somewhere. It was put up on the last thread I think. Tobias posted it and gave a description of what the tape was about. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Sure they are gonna deny knowing her, she saw them there that night doing coke and X…Tommy is probably realizing now that the gig is up..and Misty too…someone has come forward with what was going on…Misty knew who she was in jail and in my opinion she told her the Joe story because Jane was asking her what happened after WBG and she left that night…she wanted Jane to believe this story too. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I did show Tommy a booking photo, of Jane. He scanned it carefully and then said he didn’t know her. I believe during that interview with Tommy is that is one thing he was telling the truth about. At least if he’d seen her someplace I think I would have seen a flash of recognition cross his face when I gave him the photo. This leaves me to believe that Jane was mistaken about Tommmy being there and it might have been someone who looked similar to Tommy. You can draw your own conclusions.
Hank has asked me to send him a photo of Jane but I have not done so. I don’t see what good that would do and I don’t want to involve Jane since as far as I know she was only involved with WBG in selling drugs and not in kidnapping. I’m leaving that to the PCSO to sort it out since I’m kind of tied up here in Gainesville.
I do have plans to continue working the case and have some leads that need to be followed up on, so once I’m back on my feet I’ll get to those.
July 4th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
thank you SKB, just get well first…no one is going anywhere for quite some time..I sure hope Janes memory gets better as time goes by..I have the feeling she saw Tommy the one time she was there before he went home and the person she saw she assumed it was Tommy because he was there before. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Mr.Brown it is so nice to see you. Thank you for your continued efforts. I hope you are feeling well.
I do feel Tommy was there at some point during one of the visits and yes it would be easy to confuse him with someone else at a later time since they look quite a bit alike.jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I cant believe some people are still bloging that Ambers son is not Rons, his name is J. LYMILES CUMMINGS, Amber has a facebook with pics of him and he is the spitting image of Junior, she says Haleigh and Junior are her babys siblings…some other bloggers are writting that because Amber didnt go forward with the DNA this some how makes Ron not the father…LOL We have heard accounts that Ron took J. from Amber and she finally got Ron to return him, doubt she wanted to push the issue after that…
Oh and J. was born March 26, 2008 so he is now 4 years old. jmo
July 4th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
lfj- You’re right, TJ Ward said she tested false re JO. JO may have been involved but it was not the way Misty told it. Imo, TJ Ward is credible and has no dog in this fight so I have no reason to doubt him or the results of the test he gave Misty.
I agree that the movement is probably due to the info Jane has given LE and none of that would’ve happened if she hadn’t contacted SKB and he followed up on it. Kudos to SKB, Jane and Nay Nay. MO
July 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I’m not a member of radio’s, BNN or any private forum so pertinent info posted HERE would be much appreciated. Thanks
July 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Well a simple hello and I am doing better would have been fine Mr. Brown. LOL. Nice to see you up to posting today. You are a tough PI that’s for sure!! Hope you are doing better than the other day and getting the rest you need. God Speed Steve
July 4th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
What Steve posted is the exact things Lisa told me.Tommy did not recognize Jane.They asked for a photo but have not received it.Lisa did receive 2 letters from someone that made no sense at all.When I feel better I will go back on Radio’s forum and try to find my post about the timelines.If I remember correctly Flo gave a copy to someone,maybe Art Harris,Just not sure,sorry!!
July 5th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Thanks nurse.Whenever you feel up to it.jmo
July 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Wow its pretty quiet on the blogs guess everyone is waiting for something to happen with the custody case? I hope she wins no matter who she is no child should be around Ron …jmo
I ure hope you are feeling better SKB? I look forward to your next post. jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Thanks to twall at WS for posting this-
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=2178646&cat=2
It’s amusing that RC claims to be disabled because of a substance abuse problem and at the same time claims he doesn’t have a substance abuse problem, lol. I’m no atty but I guess the lawsuit is based on what PDM “perceived” because of the Geraldo interview. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
I saw no mention of anyone calling PDM about Ronald Cummings. I recall people claiming on the forums that he was fired because people called PDM. Altho I don’t agree w/ calling someone’s employer, I never believed that was why he was fired. MO
July 7th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I understood it as he was discriminated against because PDM asked him to take a drug test before coming back..(this is standard)Ron is using this as prrof of what he claims is percieved by PDM..i DONT SEE IT BECAUSE i BET pdm can prove everyone has to do this drug test…and it will be interesting when they ask him how many times he checked in with PDM during this time off or did they always have to call him? A jury will favor PDM, Ron doesnt have a prayer with this one. jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I agree it’s standard and if that’s all he’s got, he doesn’t have a prayer.
RC claims he was to return to work (and take the drug test) on 4-6 but was terminated on 4-3. That’s the only legitimate complaint I see but again, I’m no atty.
Addicts and alcoholics do have protection under the ADA but doesn’t it have to be established that they ARE addicts first? Cummings denys doing illegal drugs period and tmk has never been in treatment so where does the discrimination come in? Did they do a background check before hiring him? If so, they saw the prior drug arrests and hired him anyway. No discrimination there.
I “perceived” that Cummings was high as a kite in most of those early interviews, for whatever that’s worth, lol.
July 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
If PDM wanted to fire him for drugs all they had to do was wait for him to take the test..I have the feeling Ron protested at taking this test and this is why they fired him..he is special dontcha know..
but Ron is not going to win anything..not with a jury even if he wasnt well known by all for his drug dealing mess…I also do not see PDM hiring even a reformed addict for the position of crane operator..no way their insurance would allow this.jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am
He was probably terminated on 4-3 because his test came back positive for drugs…even with a prescription they can tell just how much should be in your system and if you are abusing your meds.
Ron has always felt he was more SPECIAL than the average person…just listen to all of his comments about being smarter, the better parent/provider, how he got Misty in jail, how he had better people to talk to,it goes on and on…oh and lets not forget he can slam corrections officers if he doesnt get his time in the shower or on the phone while in jail..yeah a real peach of a guy. jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
And don’t forget that he has all his teeth! At 26 yrs old I guess he felt that was quite an accomplishment.
When you’re not completely disgusted by him, he’s a laugh a minute. MO
July 7th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
LMFAO Grace I just spit my pop on the key board..I had forgotten that one…jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Thanks Grace,I needed a laugh today…
July 7th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Whats up Nurse? Glad you posted we are just kinda sitting around waiting on something to break or for some info to come out..jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
The inmate for whom you registered, RONALD CUMMINGS with offender number 328412, is no longer in the custody of the BREVARD COUNTY JAIL as of 7/7/2012.
Since it is possible that this offender has been transferred to the Department of Corrections, please call the jail for more information.
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/initMap.do
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Seems while I was out Ron got moved. jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
looking around the net. Found this post by a BB12 back in April of 2010.
referencing that Ronald had a fourth child. Grace put up the link that said Rons custody over his son. Perhaps the other child is a boy and it did not mean Jr.jmo
I could be wrong but this poster sounds like they knew Ron and Misty on a personal level.jmo
04-16-2010, 02:19 AM
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Ronald Cummings is a criminal with a criminal mind. IMO
IMO:
Ron is controlling and exhibits purely psychopathic behavior. Ron may not have loved HaLeigh in any deep way that a father should as Ron is off dealing drugs instead of searching for his missing child and you can see Ron seems to forgot he has a son less alone the other 3 children, especially when Ron chats on the telephone from jail, but he would likely be really ticked if someone else messed with his kids. Ron still allowed Misty to care for JR after the fact. Ron is a malignant narcissistic sociopath. Manipulative just like Casey Anthony. (Ron has 4 children by 3 underage baby momma’s.)
Ron spends his days dealing drugs and his nights getting high not looking or searching for HaLeigh. Dating a stripper while playing Misty. Ron kept Misty real high this entire time. Even after Misty started saying she thought it was Joe (day 9) RON did nothing. No confronting- Nothing. Ron Kept his mouth shut and taught Misty how to deal drugs for him.
Ron sticks a dead headless RAT in the CROSLIN family mailbox and yet- never confronts a soul about his daughter? Ron has been charged with assault before, hit all his girlfriends. Ron beat them, Ron hits his children, yet does nothing for 14 months?
RAT SOURCE
http://www.wesh.com/news/20374092/detail.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20382130/detail.html
July 7th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Grace re: post #192
Having people call into his work can be brought up at a later time. That does not have anything to do legally with the cause of action. I don’t know how familiar you are with filing lawsuits, but you have to have a cause of action that will not be dismissed. Ronald filed his lawsuit with a very specific cause of action. The phone calls may very well have played into his termination, but, that it not legal grounds for a lawsuit. Not without some fancy maneuvering. Ronald’s attorney doesn’t have a reputation for being that fancy.
Tobias (post 196) – Ronald did not fail a drug test. He did not even take one since he had been out of work. He took drug tests during the time he was employed at PDM. He didn’t ever make it in for the drug test before he was due back for work.
In June PDM’s Motion to Dimiss was denied. Ronald’s lawsuit stands. His cause of action is valid according to the Court and PDM will have to defend themselves against the lawsuit.
July 7th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
It sure is believable now, Hope was also a stripper by her own ommission on tape to her mother. She said she wasnt gonna say she was a stripper to the judge when he asked her what she did for a living..
jmo
July 7th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
One thing about this post. If you( Tobias),Barb and methinks remember I thought perhaps Haleigh was still alive because Ron said in his jail interview tell my kids I love um. I noted it was plural. This explains why it is plural. Clears that up for me. I do sometimes feel there could be a slim chance of Haleigh being alive although I feel in my heart she is not. A glimmer of hope,I guess.jmo
July 8th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Offender Name: RONALD L CUMMINGS
Offender ID:
V36497
Date of Birth:
10/29/1983
Age:
28
Race:
White
Gender:
Male
Custody Status:
In Custody
Location of Offender:
Liberty C.I.
Scheduled Release Date:
08/10/2024
July 8th, 2012 at 10:29 am
He was out of prison for over 2 weeks for a custody hearing. Is that normal? Seems odd to me. MO
July 8th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Yes it does, what took so long? Paternity had to be established long before this case ever went to court since Ron was incarcerated…what would be his reasons for retaining custody or visitation?
After spending 15 years of his life away what is the point except control..and after they reach a certain age a court can not compel these children to visit him… I believe it is also possible this case was something other than what we were told it was..jmo
July 8th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Cummings wanting control over anything (or anyone) he thinks is “his” doesn’t surprise me at all. What surprises me is that FL DOC transported him to a co jail and left him there for over 2 weeks for a custody hearing. I think there may be more to it too but have no idea what. MO
July 9th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I have always wondered about the letter from SAM that was delivered by the nurse like lady to St. Augustine record…the one that said Haleigh may be in the back yard in an old well…I wondered if SAM meant Hanks back yard and not Rons…he said fathers so everyone assumed he meant Ron…what if he meant Mistys father Hank..hmmm.jmo
July 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I do feel like something bigger is going on as well as Ronalds reproduction of yet another child/children.
I wonder why it may have took this girl so long to terminate Rons rights?
The new article says that Putnam County Sheriffs Office released that Ron did have another child/children with another girl,BEFORE crystal and that Ronald did have his rights TERMINATED for Haleigh and Jr.jmo
July 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
SKB, Does this info come from the sources you have gotten through Jane? Or is this all new information?
Do you know if the area you asked to get searched has been searched? I am just curious at your statement on your other site. jmo
July 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
SKB, thinking of you and wish you well. Am eager to hear your theory on what happened to HaLeigh.
LFJ, what new article are you referring to re PCSO stating this about Ron?
Thanks.
July 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/Father-of-Haleigh-Cummings-moved-for-custody-hearing/-/11788162/15273866/-/w96mbxz/-/index.html#ixzz208lNEhcx
Here it is catapult. Tobias had posted it a couple days ago in our forum.jmo
July 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Beach Bum #203
PDM does have to defend themselves against Rons claims. First it said he was going with ADA approach. Ronald would have had to been employed there for a year acording to their protocol. They used the Geraldo interview to show Ronalds denial of taking drugs due to the fact he had a substance abuse problem. In the drug sting Ronald referred to the selling of drugs as a kick back meaning extra monies in his pocket. Ronald had a responsibility to his employers and according to their press release he failed to keep them updated. In the interview with TN on NG she made it sound like it was no big deal on Ronald returning to work due to the fact he could find a job anywhere.I do believe Ron would have been required to take a drug test upon his return to PDM, especially due to all that had been released in the media ,in which he addressed. I just dont think the phone calls from people are the sole, if any reason that PDM fired him. I am sure all the media reports weighed in more so than peoples phone calls. PDM worried enough after letting Ronald go that they put security in place. It will be interesting to see what the outcome of this suit is.
Some companies do pay out instead of accruing more legal fees not because they were in the wrong for terminating that individual. jmo
July 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
And remember in the documents it was the main head quarters in Wisconsin that fired Ron not Palatka..
Palatka PDM may have given Ron a little wiggles room but the head honchos had the last say in this..
It will be interesting to hear what really happened because I believe there is moreto the story and it will all come out if it goes in front of a jury. jmo
July 10th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
pdm will not back down because if they do it will open the gates for more employees to take advantage of them concerning the ADA and drug use…unless of course this was the civil case that was recently sealed..sure everyone claimed it was a custody case but if it is sealed how would they know???? How would anyone in LE know? Makes ya curious what they do know and how they know…jmo
July 10th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
2wks sounds about right for a jury case concerning Ron and PDM…2 wks for a parental rights case against someone who is serving 15 years is just a little hard to beleive..Guess we may never know though. jmo
July 10th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Tobias, The area I wanted searched, I am pretty sure was searched with negative results. I get this from non-LE sources, so I’m not 100 percent on the fact that they did search it. All of the rest of the info was really there, it just wasn’t put into proper prospective. I don’t know where Haleigh’s body is but I know someone who does know. When I get out of the hospital here and am in a position to hunt this person down I’m going to try and get him to take me there. I have some motivating reasons why he should. But I can’t guarantee that he will, nor can I guarantee that he actually knows where she was put until we have the remains in hand. We’ll see. Not going to claim credit ever again for something until it’s “signed, sealed, and delivered.” I learned that lesson.
July 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Oh I can understand that…I hope he is still around and will help you…get well first. jmo
July 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Hey you’re never to old to learn. It takes a strong person to learn from their mistakes and an even stronger one to openly admit them. IMO
I haven’t seen anyone else do it in this case thus far, so Kudos to you.
With all the craziness in this case I am surprised Colonial Mustard with a pipe in the library was not a POI.
Mr. Brown, Can you tell us or give a tiny, tiny clue? Are the people involved the ones you originally thought were involved? Anyone new (with out naming names of course.)
July 11th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Hi everyone,I have read back quiet some time on Radio’s Forum…Cannot find where I posted about times,so right now I am thankful I cannot remember them.Some info I had came from LE.if the times were some of that info I would not have put them on a blog.If it was something that Lisa or Chelsea told me It would have been posted..I will be posting very little if any on the case for a while..Starting back on my daily Chemo tomorrow.Will be taking it every other day until they see how I tolerate it.Hopefully I will not have any further memory decline..Steven…You take care of yourself..this case will be here when you recover,don’t stress yourself out..Continually in my prayers..Nurse
July 11th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Nurse, I am so sorry to hear that you need further treatment. You will be in my prayers.
God be with you to comfort you and return you to a healthy and long life. God Bless
July 11th, 2012 at 1:39 am
Thanks Barbara,I have to take Chemo for 5 years,I am 2years 5 months into treatment.Was experiencing terrible effects.They gave me a 4 month rest.I have 2 years,and 7 months to go!!
July 11th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Nurse, That is really incredible and I am humbled by your strength. I hope these next treatments are not as difficult for you as before. I am sure you have great Drs and loving family and friends who are by your side. Please know that now there are even more people thinking of you, sending positive thoughts and healing prayers your way. When you can please let us all know how you are doing. You are half way home now with these treatments. I have faith in God’s plan. He brought you this far and he will see you through the rest of the way too. Take care and to you as well as Mr Brown…God Speed.
July 12th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Barbara,you are so sweet..Thank you sooo much!!
July 13th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Reading around the boards today I saw a post that really disturbed me.
It read that “Once again that SKB claims he has solved the case.”
the post quoted this:
” I finally figured out exactly what happened to Haleigh. Unfortunately, I’m not in a position to go gather the rest of the proof. Maybe in a few months.” I know you read here and you more than likely saw post #219 on this thread or at least I hope so,because you forgot to post this quote from SKB.
Not going to claim credit ever again for something until it’s “signed, sealed, and delivered.” I learned that lesson.
Mr.Brown although in the hospital with Leukemia and going through a BMT still works Haleighs case in order to find Justice for this little girl. I think or at least IMO he deserves a little respect. Thanks jmo
July 13th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Maybe this is why Cummings was in co jail for over 2 weeks. Maybe he provided some info per his plea deal MO
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/263859/483/1500-prescription-pills-seized-in-Operation-Pain-Management
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/assetpool/documents/120711042325_Pain%20Management%20Spreadsheet.pdf
http://www.news4jax.com/news/FDLE-drug-task-force-arrest-103-in-north-Fla/-/475880/15476286/-/yrx4rf/-/index.html
July 13th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
LFJ, Some people have no concept of respect much less telling the whole truth. I saw this post too.
All I can ask is WHY???? WHY NOT POST THE ENTIRE STATEMENT? JMO
July 13th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Grace, that very could be. That was the strangest situation. I am still baffled on why Ronald was traveling the east coast to Brevard county.jmo
I agree Tobias.jmo
July 13th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
LFJ,
The blogs bring out the worst in people IMO. The anonymity makes people say things they would never say if everyone knew who they were. IMO Chalk it up to the meanness that comes with this case. Like I said before, a bog is like alcohol. Makes you say things you normally wouldn’t. I think some people are just unhappy because they think SKB has a theory that does not include their choice for the perp. They are not so interested in the truth IMO they just want to be right. If they really cared about HaLeigh they would be grateful that SKB is still actively working the case at all. IMO. I mean really who cares about opinions as long as he is seeking any truth he can find and will not stop until he finds it. HE may have some theories of his own (he has been investigating and speaking to a lot of people for a long time, so naturally he has information a poster does not have to actually base his theory on) but he is open to other possibilities. Look, he originally felt HaLeigh was in ST Johns, but now he states he is not so sure and feels she is else where. He is open to change with the right information. IMO What I like about him (one of many things)is he is after the truth not just out to be right!! I say , just ignore the mean remarks. I think they must at least find SKB interesting. They read here don’t they? That says a lot IMO
.
July 13th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
You know what is interesting. I tried to apply for a login at Justice Quest and they denied me saying I didn’t “meet their membership requirements.” I asked them which ones I didn’t meet but I don’t really expect a reply.
July 13th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I think the bickering between forums/blogs, groups and individuals is stupid and distacting. Most of us have been around long enough to know who is interested in the truth of what happened and who is hanging around for sh*ts and giggles and/or personal agendas. The only thing “they” find interesting, imo, is the attention that posts like that bring them. Don’t feed the beast. MO
July 13th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Mr Brown,
I am selfishly glad you did not go anywhere but right here.(sorry) Glad to hear from you (hope you are feeling ok) and I am totally grateful for your continued interest in this case (I am sure the rest of the people here feel the same). Others will be too eventually, I’ll bet. Take care of yourself.
July 14th, 2012 at 9:39 am
LOL SKB maybe its a secret hand shake? I have to laugh because these are all opinion based forums so what kind of requirements are really needed…other than stating an opinion and being civil to others. jmo
July 14th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Yep Tobias I agree with your post #235.jmo
July 16th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Just ordered my books hope everyone remembers…and I wonder how SKB did today on his test? Hope he is out and relaxing to regain his strength..jmo
July 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
http://kezi.com/news/local/251116
What the heck, saw this posted on WS and thought I should bring it here, its very strange…jmo
July 17th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
The above post seems strange since Haleigh and Ronald have not been in the news for quite some time. So is this guy on line??? The last time Ron was mentioned on TV was with HLN Jane V. Mitchell but why does this guy believe Haleigh is in his area of Oregon??? Did he see someone looking like Haleigh in this area? If so I sure hope LE catches the guy soon and finds out why he is entering homes.jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 9:59 am
That is a strange story. This was a college area. I guess it is possible he may have thought he saw Haleigh, but to say he is her father Ronald Cummings looking for her. This sounds very eerie to me. I hope LE there bring this guy in for questioning and find out exactly who he is and his reasoning for making this claim. If anything he got Haleighs name in the news and it could be he only wanted to be in the news himself. I wonder if he is one of Ronalds pen pals in prison?
July 18th, 2012 at 10:01 am
my post 240 is IMO only. jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I believe if it is a pen pal its Mistys she kinda collects the men crack pots LOL some where on line too…she had 2 or 3 claiming to be out looking for Haleigh and one who claimed he was engaged to her LOL. jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
LOL!! Tobias.
I did not hear about that.
SKB what are your thoughts on these articles?
I for one would love for Haleigh to be alive and hidden, but I dont believe she is.
If it were to turn out that Haleigh was alive I would want the idividuals behind this to be prosecuted to the fullest extent whether they are Haleighs family or not!!
Ron talked about Crystal hiding Haleigh in Texas, Montana etc… in his jail interview with Dana Treen. Oregon is just south west of Montana. Then you have Idaho aand Washinton thats also in the same region.jmo
I could see crayon boy behind this since he claims Haleigh is alive and the maternal side has Haleigh hidden. Hank Sr. also made comments of thinking this couild have happened after speaking with TH. jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I forgot that Ron also said Colorado.jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
well at least Haleigh is in the headlines!!jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Well there are Croslins in Colorado and Oklahoma but I have never heard of anyone (Sheffield, Croslin, Overstreet or Cummings) having relatives in Oregon…jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
me either Tobias. Maybe whomever they think has her are just friends of some of these relatives.
There really is no telling.jmo
July 18th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Iam curious why they called TH or did he call them? I believe he did since Levi or HLN would be more SOUGHT AFTER SINCE THEY DID THE LAST SHOW ON hALEIGH AND rON JMO
July 18th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I think it would be great to find out if LE called TH or the other way around. I guess we will have to wait and see if this makes HLN news. jmo
July 19th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Got my books today, that was quick…I hope you are feeling better SKB, and that your tests came back good. jmo
July 19th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Sorry I’ve been MIA for the last few days. Was readmitted to the hospital on Tuesday. Feeling better today. Thanks to all of you who participated in the Sell Books For Steve Day. As for a burglar looking for Haleigh in Oregon. That is really bizarre. They can look up in the Northwest all they want. They won’t find her there.
July 20th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I have a feeling she isnt even 5 miles from her home. jmo
July 20th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Have you had any new developments? Just curious if there is any movement at al in this case? LE seems to have their hands ful right now with 2 murders and a LE involved shooting…amongst all the other cases they have..seems like they are so quiet concerning Haleigh. jmo
July 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
SKB Is there any truth to the news articles saying Ron had a child/ children previous to Haleigh and junior? Just wondered if you had any insight in this since its still being discussed whether the reporter got it wrong and it was prior to and not previous to..jmo
July 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Just checking to see if there has been any new info or clues.
Good questions Tobias. I am interested in the answers.jmo
Hope you are doing well SKB.jmo
July 23rd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Did anyone really search Seven Sisters Islands..I mean really good? With dogs? They just bother me sometimes…jmo
July 23rd, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Since they are so close it would be nothing to take a canoe or kayak over to them with no effort or noise….from what I read no one lives there…or at least no one anyone knows about. hmmm. jmo
July 23rd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Just remembered something my Grandma had..a rose bush called seven sisters..because there were 7 buds on one branch.. weird Misty says something about a rose and there is a place called seven sisters. Maybe this is why it bothers me? hmmm. jmo
July 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
All I have found so far is that the water around the seven sisters islands were dragged..this was just in one area by the docks..no search of the actual Islands ???? These are uninhabited the perfect place to bury someone and they would never be found since no one goes there. jmo
July 24th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
The only thing I recall about the Seven Sisters island is that Crystal and Marie went over and looked around there. IDK if LE searched the grounds there or not.jmo
July 24th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
IIRC there is also a road in that ara named seven sisters also. Interesting point about the rose bush.jmo
July 24th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
it is 7 sisters drive just on the other side of Green lane.
http://www.trulia.com/homes/map/Florida/Satsuma/sold/1001346202-174-Buchanan-Cir-Satsuma-FL-32189
drag the map left and you will see tyler.green lane and then 7 sisters drive.jmo
July 26th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Hows everyone doing today? Nothing to really write about in the Haleigh case..no movement at all since Ron was dragged into court…SKB hope you are doing better and can do something in this case otherwise I think its as cold as it can get…jmo
July 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Hey!still here checking in periodicly.
SKB hope you are still recovering well. Hope too here from you as soon as you feel up to it. jmo
July 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
hear. oops.jmo
July 29th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I am too..I am just waiting to see what happens with Janes info and what happens with Jane and all the rest of the people down in PC. JMO
July 30th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Is it tru what Hank just posted on Tommys facebook? That Tommy is coming home??? hmm. jmo
July 30th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I have a plan to get Tommy home but I haven’t talked to Hank about it.
July 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am
wELL IF IT INVOLVES FINDING hALEIGH AND WHAT HAPPENED TO HER i HOPE IT WORKS..JMO
July 30th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I agree with Tobias post #269.
Mr. Brown, how would Hank know of the possibility of Tommy coming home if you had not discussed anything with him about your plan?
jmo
July 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I take it you have spoken with Tommy recently? I hope he has given you information you can use…
I believe he would be very motivated to tell anything that would get him out and home right now..dont think he would blow a chance since it seems Lindsy is still around. jmo
July 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Post the link to Tommy’s Facebook page. I’d like to see what Hank wrote.
July 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
tommy will be comeing home soon thank you god
9 hours ago ·
Pam Christle Dickerson that is so awsome!!!!!!hope they let misty out soon too
7 hours ago via mobile
Tina Overstreet when dose he get to come home thank you lord
7 hours ago
Here is the entire post and comments. Hope this helps. jmo
August 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
still checking in.
Mr.Brown any headway on your plan to get Tommy out?
jmo
August 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
SKB I have a question, if there was a case in court that was sealed to protect the child would the entire docket be sealed or just the names of the party protected? I just wondered since there was no docket on Ron Cummings VS. Jane Doe concerning Baby doe…and under the Sunshine laws there should be a docket saying how the case was decided..jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
Tobias re: post #275
The case that Ronald just went to Court for you will not see docketed. It is sealed to protect everyone involved.
And FYI, I was not wrong about Ronald not having children prior to Crystal. Heard you thought I was.
Mr. Brown: Hank is claiming that Misty is also getting out of prison, not only Tommy. I suspect it is wishful thinking on his part. He is claiming it on each of the kid’s facebook pages.
On Misty’s page:
Hank Croslin Sr.
daddy love you and miss you and i no you will be free soon
Like · · See Friendship · Monday at 8:44am ·
Hank Croslin Sr.
misty will be c
omeing home soon thank you god
Like · · See Friendship · Monday at 8:40am ·
http://www.facebook.com/find-friends/browser/?ref=ler#!/misty.croslin
And Tommy’s page:
Hank Croslin Sr.
tommy will be comeing home soon thank you god
See Friendship · Monday at 8:37am
http://www.facebook.com/find-friends/browser/?ref=ler#!/profile.php?id=100002278514545&sk=wall
Hope that helps.
August 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
Thanks BeachBum. I hope that Hank has a plan. We talk from time time. I know how to get Tommy home but I am tied up with this bone marrow transplant thing and won’t be able to work on this for 6 more months to a year. Going into the state prison to talk to people is not a germ free environment. So I pretty much have to stay away from places like for a while.
August 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
I dont see anything on Mistys page from Hank or anyone for a very long time…and I never said I doubted he had children I said I doubted what was released about his court date. And really why would Ron fight to keep parental rights on children he fathered way before Haleigh? Chilren no one knew about? jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Why do you want to get Tommy out? I dont see any reason to get him out of prison unless he can help find Haleigh. jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Tobias, the stuff on Misty’s page is right on her wall. Top two postings are from Hank.
I know what you said, it was showed to me. Ron doesn’t have a gaggle of children that people do not know about. What PCSO reported was incorrect. I don’t care if anyone believes it or not. There is no child, nor children from before Crystal Sheffield. Take that info or leave it. I am not going to tell what the hearing was really concerning. It’s not anyone’s business except Ronald’s and the other people directly involved. It will not be docketed in any manner that people in the public can find. Nor should it be.
Mr. Brown – you are welcome! I hope your treatment is going well! Take care of yourself and get well. Do you think Tommy belongs free?
August 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Beach Bum, In this link the PCSO reveals that Ronald had one or more children prior to Crystal. This is where the info came from, not Tobias.
I also found a posts from April 16th 2010( right after the Shell harbour search wrapped up) which is above that also stated Ronald has four children from 3 different teen baby mamas. Post # 202 so this info was out well before Rons trip to Brevard County Jail.
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/Father-of-Haleigh-Cummings-moved-for-custody-hearing/-/11788162/15273866/-/w96mbxz/-/index.html#ixzz208lNEhcx
I dont FB or myspace. I dont see none of them coming home shortly unless they give up some “CREDIBLE” info to bargain with on Haleighs case. That is why I continue to hope Mr.Brown can bring resolve to this case and those responsible rot in prison for the rest of their sad lives.jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
lol I like the comments on that news article…clearly J.L sees herself as not being the one JG is talking about….and people dont go into court to do nice things..if it was an amicable agreement it would be done out of court. jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
And J.L lives in Welaka just down the street from AS so why is she on the article commenting???? Maybe ecause she is doing damage control? hmmm. jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
LFJ re: post #280
Yes, that is to what I am referring when I state that the PCSO is wrong. And they know it is incorrect. Ronald does not have children prior to Crystal Sheffield. They are well aware of exactly what children Ronald Cummings has and with whom. There are no children prior to HaLeigh and Junior. Ronald and Crystal began dating in their early teens. Some people might state that doesn’t matter. However, there are no other children prior to those two.
As far as a post stating Ronald has 4 children from 3 teen mothers – that is so far beyond wrong, I can only laugh. Ronald has children with Crystal Sheffield. And one possible child with Amber Brooks. A child that was never proven to be his because she refused the paternity test. Ronald is not legally responsible for the child and has no legal rights to same.
I agree with you, LFJ – I can’t imagine any of them coming home anytime soon. I really don’t understand wanting Tommy out of prison given the things he has said so far about having been with HaLeigh’s body, etc. I’d rather he stay right where he is. I know his father desperately wants him home, and I understand that, of course. I’d rather he give up the truth and go from there. JMO
August 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Do I believe Tommy belongs free? Well, good question. I do not believe he should have been sentenced to 15 years when all or the court records, previous sentences on other drug dealers etc. would have given him the 3 year minimum mandatory sentenced. He was sentenced to 12 additional years for unproven charges/allegations about Haleigh. If I can bring Haleigh home by manipulating the system which would include Tommy’s sentence being reduced to the 3 year minimum then that’s what I’ll try and do. This is not so much about Tommy as it is about Haleigh. I have a plan. I don’t know if it will work or not. We’ll just have to wait and see. I don’t see anybody else doing a whole lot to resolve this case.
August 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I agree but I hope it doesnt back fire and nothing gets resolved. And I agree you seem to be the only one doing anything….
As far as Ron having other kids only the court knows. Neither Crystal nor Amber live in Brevard county…jmo
August 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Thanks Mr. Brown for your answer! And most certainly thank you for continuing to seek a resolution for HaLeigh. You are right that nobody else is doing anything. I don’t care what PCSO says, they are doing a whole lot of NOTHING. I suppose I should say that is my opinion, but, I know things. Anyhow, thanks again Mr. Brown. You have so many other things going on in your life right now, it’s wonderful that you are still thinking about HaLeigh. I think her giant smile has managed to capture hearts of so many people that have never met her. People tell me that all the time.
Tobias (post 286) Not only the court knows if Ronald has other children. His friends and family also know. Crystal’s family also knows. There are many people in a position to know this information that aren’t connecting to the court. I know with 100% certainty there are not 4 children by 3 mothers, and there are no children prior to HaLeigh and Junior. Like I said before, take the info or leave, it doesn’t matter to me at all. I’m not going to tell you what this court hearing was about, so theorize away.
Hope you are feeling well, Mr. Brown!
August 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 am
Hi Beach Bum- WADR, what good does it do to post how wrong everyone is about Ronald unless you are willing to explain why he did go to Brevard Co and stay there for 2+ weeks?
I know what you mean about Tommy. I feel the same way about Ronald. Haleigh was HIS daughter, after all and he needs to tell the truth about what led up to her death. MO
August 3rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Well if you are correct then this case was about Crystal….and all I can say is if she won good for her..move away and start a new life..away from Putnam and the people who live there. jmo
August 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
It makes no sense that someone that is only 2 yrs into a 15 yr sentence is brought to a different co and housed in said co jail for over 2 weeks for a custody hearing. I have no idea what it was for but I’m not buying that load of bs. MO
August 3rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
in Brevard county no less…jmo
August 4th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
well I know PCSO can tell false truths if they choose but I see no reason why they would do that in this case.
Just like I see no reason that if Ronald was such a great responsible man/father that he would not have taken Amber to court like he did Crystal and force a DNA testing of the said child and at least support him and have a relationship with him. Is it because he has disabilities????? Pretty sad if so.
I dont see Ronald Cummings as a very loyal man to no little girl. I would say woman but he already told us in a very boastful fashion how he likes YOUNG GIRLS.
IDK what Brevard was all about but I do believe the possibility of Ronald fathering another child while with Crystal prior to her giving birth to Haleigh at the age of 18. Crystal started out with Ron when she was 14. Crystal got pg with Haleigh at the age of 17.
I have no respect for Ronald Cummings. Any parent that has a child missing then goes out and traffics drugs putting his other child in jeapordy needs to be sitting right where he is!! We know it was not his only source of income because he said it was just a kick back.
jmo
all imo.
August 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Hope you are doing well Mr.Brown. Perhaps soon you will be able to give us a new bolg on your findings and possibly some clues on events to come.jmo
August 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
while people think Tommy and Misty should be sitting in prison for the deeds they have done. It also stands true for Ronald Cummings. Ronald has been into drugs and busted for drugs far more than the Croslin kids have. Yet people feel he deserves some special treatment and be released. I think not! jmo
August 5th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Haven’t posted in a while but I do keep up with this site. LFJ, I agree with your post. Ronald has a proven record of being a drug dealer and a violent punk. He is definitely not the innocent boy some make him out to be. I think that he showed her the ropes and made her go out and do a lot of his dirty work. I think that the Croslins may jump at the chance to sample pot and drugs but they really didn’t want to sell their own supply. Ronald’s arrest record is long enough to paper a wall and these are just the deeds he was charged with.
August 5th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Tobias, I share your interest in Seven Sisters Island. This island can easily be accessed from Stokes Landing and I’ve always wanted it searched. It would be perfect place to bury a body.
August 5th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Looking at the maps it seemed real close and through research ii is uninhabited( which is real strange) are there no trails or fish camps on any of the islands and why was it never searched? In the recent videos SKB put up of the MH on Green you can see Ron kept a small boat beside the shed…its pretty light weight aluminum type boat easy to load on a truck bed or carry to a dock near by…jmo
August 5th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Its easy to get to from Green also there are docks off of Bachanan circle.Where Ron used to live. And in the article SKB PUT UP VIDEOS OF THE mh there is a small john boat stored by Rons shed. jmo
August 6th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Good to see you lone traveler. I agree Ronald used Misty as his mule,but she was glad to do it for him imo. She was so in love with him per Misty.
People think it was that Ron was afraid of stat charges being brought on him for being with Misty. WBG is much older than Ronald and he admitted to LE of having sexual relations with her 3 times over that weekend and supplying her with drugs, yet LE never charged him for having sex with a minor or contributing to the deliquency of a minor. Donnie Spells who was at the time in his early 40s never got charged for being with NN and having a child with her.Ronald boasted about being with young girls on NG prior to his marriage to Misty. This was Rons forte. I think perhaps that morning he or more than likely his mom and granny were more worried about Mistys age, but by the time they married I dont believe this factored in. It could be possible, but I just dont see it. Ron bragging on his infatuation with young girls gave him a pedophile label imo.
LE had bigger issues than trying to arrest those men for stat charges considering she was a willing participant. They needed to find a 5 year old little girl.If Misty is Rons enemy then she must know alot on Ronald Cummings. Although lets not forget in Rons media interview with Geraldo Ronald claimed to NOT have any enemies.Just like Ron said ” I dont do drugs” Paleese, if the boy could only tell the truth about the simplest details.jmo
August 6th, 2012 at 10:35 am
ITA And I like how you called him a boy because he surely is no MAN.jmo
August 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
And I believe the recent postings of Hank and Lisa are very tacky since this is Haleighs birthday coming up and really why do it now? Misty and Tommy will be there for many years why do this so near Haleighs Birthday? jmo
August 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I thought Hank can’t read or write. AIR he made that claim but I can’t remember who he said that to. It was early on so maybe it was AH?
If that’s true how does he find his way around a computer and set up/post on a Facebook page?
There must be something to it because SKB said he is working on getting Tommy out. Your guess is as good as mine. MO
August 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Good point in post #299, lfj. It’s clear to me that young, low income women/girls aren’t valued in that community. The cavalier attitude taken re what is clearly statutory rape is really disturbing. MO
August 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I agree but it seems there is a problem with these young girls parents since they are the ones not reporting this activity…
I believe Hank and Lisa both have been working hard on learning to read and write this past year.jmo
August 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
HAA HAAA Tobias. Thats right no man! No way can i ever respect Ronald whether he is involved or not. If he has knowledge or not. I do believe he knows exactly what happened to his daughter imo.
Ronald is very good as we have seen directing by phone without being actually present. jmo
Yeah that pic with Hank and Lisa and Mistys pic is a strange.
I hope SKB can share soon.
Grace I agree.jmo
August 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I have wondered about Ron from the very beginning (the 911) first off he whined on the phone to the operator but as soon as Misty was on he was clear as a bell yelling at her and calling her a b#tch..no whining at all..Ron knew it was recorded even said they could take this on the recording I dont care about Prison…he knew from the start whatever he said would be used so he whines and actually says nothing except he was at work..he never tells anything of value..Misty did that..jmo
August 7th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
I totally agree Tobias. Just like Barb pointed out it had to be an abduction no other possible scenario. I agree Haleigh was taken from the home BUT I believe she was already deceased.Now there are many variables as to how she died. Ron should have been on that 911 call giving all the precise information on Haleigh instead of putting Misty on the phone. Misty did not know the info of birthdate,weight etc…. the details of what occurred would be given once LE arrived on scene. Ron was just show boating as usual. jmo
August 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
caught in spam.jmo
August 7th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Joe has court on Wed. August 8 wonder what will happen??? hmm its in the morning wonder how long it will take to get info off of the Davidson County dockets? jmo
August 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am
This is the info for HaLeigh’s vigil this Friday.
HaLeigh’s vigil is this Friday, August 10, at 6:30 P.M. at the home of Annette Sykes. The address is 302 Osceola Avenue Satsuma, Florida. We hope that everyone will attend. Please share this with all your facebook friends. Thank you. God bless you all!
AS has moved (bought a larger property) hmmm. jmo
August 9th, 2012 at 12:50 am
Tobias Post 310
Why “hmmmmm” regarding Mrs. Sykes moving to a “larger property”? People move all the time in the world. If someone is previously renting, doesn’t it make sense to buy a home instead of wasting money paying rent? Most of the time, a person pays less money towards a mortgage than towards rent, plus equity is built up. What is the big deal with buying and what could that possibly have to do with HaLeigh’s disappearance?
At least someone in HaLeigh’s family is doing something for her that keeps her name in the spotlight. The other side of the family ignores her. And I’m not saying they are bad people, there are some of them that I like quite well (I know both sides of the family personally), but they do nothing.
August 10th, 2012 at 8:13 am
I guess it is hmmm a little when you think about it. Normally when someone acquires a mortgage they dont wait until they’re going on 70 and a roomy one at that. Sounds like she wont be living alone.
jmo
August 10th, 2012 at 8:15 am
my post is in spam.
August 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Crystal was there for Haleighs prayer vigil in February. She was there with Rons family.
I do feel they all should be doing more to keep Haleighs name out there since they say that they believe she is alive.
Keep up the awareness. Haleighs worth every second. Hope is good to have but you must be active in the persuit. This goes for all sides of Haleighs families.jmo
August 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
According to public record AS owned the property at 216 4th street that was sold in may 2012..then she bought the recent property that is over 2000 square foot 4 bedroom 2 bath MH…on June 12 2012..jmo
August 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
oops Sorry got that backwards the property at 4th street sold in June, the new property was bought in May. jmo
August 10th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=1780447857001
Haleighs vigil..
August 11th, 2012 at 9:38 am
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/268155/483/Feds-review-the-Haleigh-Cummings-investigation-
August 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
thank you Tobias for the links. The feds one is very interesting.
I am glad that PCSO is stopping at nothing to make sure they did not miss anything. I think it is great to have the behvorial analysis team take a look.I bet they were stunned at most of the behaviors in this case especially the ones from Haleighs own family. jmo
I wonder if the FEDS did find a clue and this is why there was instruction on how to proceed with Haleighs case and why it remains an active case?
Mr.Brown any insight on this?jmo
August 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I think the PCSO conducted a very complete investigation. I have nothing but the highest respect for Capt. Piscitello and the job the PCSO has done. But obviously something was missed because we have no one charged and Haleigh hasn’t been found. That doesn’t mean they didn’t do everything they could. They did. But sometimes in working investigations, subtly is called for instead of bullying. LE and the States Attorney’s Office is very good at bullying, over charging people with crimes that sort of thing. That has been their approach and it didn’t work in this case. I think the person (two actually) who murdered Haleigh are in prison. That’s good. But those persons are not in prison for Haleigh’s murder, but for other crimes. Still, I guess if you can’t get Al Capone on for the St. Valentine’s Day murder charges, you get him on tax charges. That’s sort of the way the system works.
August 11th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Thats all good if they are positive they have the right person/people…and you have to wonder how those 2 (whichever the 2 are) can just let this keep going while others are suffering so much not knowing where Haleigh is dead or alive…and there are so many hurt by this adults and children….jmo
August 11th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Thank you for posting your thoughts and I hope you are feeling better than you have been lately…Praying for your recovery..
August 11th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
“How can this just let this keep going?” Because if they admitted to the truth then they would be tried for 2nd degree murder and spend their entire lives in jail. They’re not like you and me and the rest of us. They have no conscience, no concern for others. If they did, they wouldn’t have murdered a 5 year old child.
August 11th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
It is good to see you posting. Hope you are doing better. Steve, you mentioned that you could help get Tommy out of prison but your last post you state that you think that the two people who murdered Haleigh are in jail, does this mean that you do not think that Tommy is one of the two? I do not think that Tommy murdered Haleigh and would appreciate your view.
August 11th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Lonetraveler, thanks for the question. Unfortunately I don’t think it would be prudent for me lay out here, what happened in the mobile home that night. Everything has been posted here on this site, you’ll just have to read the facts, or allegations, and figure it out. Once you do, it’ll all fit together and make perfect sense. I would not help Tommy get out of jail if I thought he played a key role in Haleigh’s death. Unfortunately I’m stuck here in Gainesville Fl at the Shands Cancer Bone Marrow Transplant clinic for another month and a half and then I’ll be unable to make the personal visits I need to make in order to put this to rest until after the first of the year. We’re keeping my immune system depressed so that my donor’s stem cells can graft into my bone barrow and grow and produce. That makes me particularly vulnerable to infections so I have to be very careful and not be in crowds, etc. and especially prisons. I wish I could move this along quicker but I can’t. I don’t think the PCSO, the FBI, the FDLE or any LE can establish the relationships that I have with the principals in this case. People talk to me whereas they will not talk to LE. I have no inside knowledge of what direction the FBI suggested the PCSO continue in their investigation. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. Remember, the PCSO does not talk to me. The State’s Attorney’s Office should hire me as a special investigator for this case when I’m recovered and we could have this thing wrapped up pretty quickly. Otherwise I’ll just keep plugging away on my own dime. If any of you would like to donate, it would be greatly appreciated. I see a great deal of out of pocket expenses out of my own pocket in the future to make this come together. The donate button is on the left side of the main home page. I’m committed to getting it resolved one way or the other.
Remember, LE doesn’t really even know who was at the mobile home that night other than Misty and Tommy who both admit to being there. But I do, and there were others present off and on during that evening.
You are welcome to repost any of my above comments on other blog sites.
August 12th, 2012 at 1:18 am
lonetraveler #312
I don’t think Mrs. Sykes was planning to live alone. If you do the math, when she was house hunting, Crystal Sheffield, Junior AND Chloe were all living with her. That would account for the 4 bedrooms.
Her current place may be costing her less than her old one with the way the housing market is right now.
Thank you for checking in Mr. Brown. I hope you are feeling well, or as well as can be expected!
August 12th, 2012 at 9:45 am
The one thing that is consistent about this case is that there are always more questions than answers…at least for me. I suppose it’s some consulation that those that are responsible are in prison right now on other charges but it still doesn’t answer WHY? What happened that this little 5 yr old girl had to lose her life? I noticed that the word ‘murdered’ was used. I always thought it was an accident. As selfish and despicable as the players are, I never thought it was an intentional murder. Again, who would want to murder Haleigh and WHY?
I have read most, if not all, of what’s been posted here and it still makes no sense. Nothing falls into place for me except one possible scenario that involves Misty and WGB (who is also in prison right now.) That’s not a theory that I subscribed to but it is possible, I guess.
People speculated that Haleigh may have seen Misty and Tommy together but SKB is convinced that Tommy isn’t responsible so he’s not one of “the two” that SKB is referring to.
I understand the reasoning why posting the entire scenario here isn’t the prudent thing to do. I’m not happy about it because I want to know, but I do understand it.
Re the recent media articles that claim LE is still actively persuing the case…seriously, what else are they going to say? We’ve given up? We don’t have a clue? Every year they say virtually the same thing and every year there is (at least by appearances) zero movement toward charging someone for her death. MO
SKB, it’s good to see that you’re feeling well enough to post.
August 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Well I am not ruling out others since we have no actual time that this occured…we do know that Jane says she never saw Haleigh and ASSUMES she was in the MH, since there was no blood evidence ever discussed being found there is a possibilty that Haleigh suffered injuries earlier that caused her death later…injuries Misty knew about but didnt want to alert police to since this would mean she would be taken away from Ron, as did AS…injuries they didnt believe were that severe..I remember Misty saying Haleigh was riding her bike and popping wheelies and was fine then…that statement always bothered me ..she was fine opposed to not being later? jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 11:34 am
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/268155/3/Feds-review-the-Haleigh-Cummings-investigation
iN THIS VIDEO YOU SEE AND HEAR THE le TELLING ABOUT THE fbi just found it and thought it would help since alot of people do not believe media and feel they dont always write the truth..jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 11:45 am
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/article/268155/3/Feds-review-the-Haleigh-Cummings-investigation
August 12th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
i HAVE ALSO ASKED MYSELF A QUESTION EVERY DAY SINCE THIS CASE STARTED..WHICH OF THESE PEOPLE IS SMART ENOUGH TO HIDE A BODY AND EVIDENCE WELL ENOUGH THAT THIS CASE IS WHERE IT IS TODAY? i HAVE THOUGHT WHO COULD HAVE BEEN THE ONE WHO HAD THOUGHT EARLIER OF EVER HAVING TO DISPOSE OF A BODY AND WENT INTO ACTION WHEN THIS OCCURED?? THis is why I dont believe Tommy was the master mind , heck he never got away with any of his thefts..the guy was drugged up and slow minded even in the jail videos when he was off drugs…Tommy isnt a thinker or a take charge kind of guy at all. jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Sorry, this was posted in BMT by mistake. I meant to post it here-
Grace Says:
August 12th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
No offense intended but I don’t find any of the articles interesting or informative. Imo, they are all empty words to keep the public placated. Yes, it’s good to know that the Feds behavioral science folks looked at the case and hopefully they assisted the PCSO as to who to concentrate on but aside from that there is nothing new or hopeful…as usual.
For me, there are 2 things going on here. One is what happened (the who, what, where, when and how) and two, what SKB thinks happened. They might be one and the same but I don’t know that because I don’t know what SKB thinks happened. Things have changed in the year or so I’ve been posting here with new information coming out. JO and Timmy are not in prison. Ronald, Misty, Tommy, Hope, Donna, WBG and Jerome Williams are. SKB siad LE thinks the 2 responsible are in prison, not what he thinks.
Again, I UNDERSTAND why SKB is cautious about revealing what he thinks but that doesn’t stop me from being curious and/or trying to make sense of what’s been posted here. So far, it’s about as clear as mud.
MO
August 12th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Grace, I don’t think I said that LE believes that two were involved. They may or may not. They don’t tell me what they think. I do believe that LE and I are on the same page as to one of the two. As to whether any blood was found in the mobile home? As far as I now LE has never released the results of their searches. However, I believe you are probably correct about that. However, there are other pieces of trace evidence that can point to murder. Shedding blood is not the only way to kill someone. I’ve learned from past experience in this case to not put something out there unless I have proven facts to substantiate my claim. We all, hopefully, learn things as we go through life. The “facts” that led to the Shell Harbor search are still basically true. We just didn’t have all of the facts. Sorry, it’s only “clear as mud” but that’s the best I can do. You might try looking at motives instead of facts. I think most murders are committed because of jealousy, hate, money, revenge, self-preservation, fear, rage, drug induced paranoia, and just plain craziness or mental illness.
August 12th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Beachbum, Crystal moved out on March 24, way before AS purchased the new house which was closed on in May and she didnt seel her other property until June 12. I wonder could it be she expected a different outcome to the civil case with Ron?
We have heard Ron had no other children so could this have been a case trying to get visitation for the Grandparents for Junior? jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
SKB- I just read your post over and you’re right. You did not say LE, you were referring to yourself. My mistake.
The Shell Harbor story involved JO and he’s not in prison, so yes, I am confused. But that’s my problem, not yours. I’m making a statement, not a complaint. There is a difference and I’ve tried to explain that I understand your reasoning. But the fact remains, imo, it’s not clear who you are talking about.
August 12th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Of course it’s not clear. It won’t be clear until I can get back on the case and get the substantive evidence that is needed to make the case in court. Most people don’t understand the difference between “solving a case” and being able to obtain a successful criminal prosecution in court. An investigator might “know what happened.” Might have signed statements, even confessions from people about what they did etc. But that might not lead to a successful prosecution. Sorry I can’t be more specific. I did read some some of the comments over on, what was it, justice quest? How people can be so stupid and say such ridiculous things about me, without even knowing who I am is just plain ignorance. They think I’m trying to make money off of Haleigh. Do you know how much I’ve been paid for the 3 years and thousands of hours I’ve put into this case? And for the thousands of dollars directly out my own pocket for informants, and to bail people of jail? Not one nickel. Do you think I’m doing it for the money? Don’t most people get paid for their work. My other clients pay me quite well because they know the value of my work. I testify in court all of the time and my testimony is highly regarded. I’m doing this out of some sense of obligation to Haleigh and her mother. I know other investigators who have been paid tens of thousands of dollars to look for Haleigh. Maybe those guys over there are right. Maybe I’m a fool, but I’m not stopping.
August 12th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
SKB- You said that if a person reads the posts on this forum it would be clear and all fall into place. THAT is what I was talking about. I said nothing about “solving the case” and I DO know the difference between knowing what happened and having enough evidence to make a case, so please don’t include me in the group that doesn’t know the difference. The last thing I wanted to do was upset you or cause you any stress but due to your responses, I now find myself defending what I said and making it perfectly clear what I DIDN’T say, or mean.
I was hoping you wouldn’t see or care about the garbage that’s been posted on JQ. Has it occured to you that some may be trying to stir the pot? These are the same people that have been on a mission to protect Ronald Cummings and his despicable family since minute one. It’s always been about lies, subterfuge and misdirection w/ some of them and it still is. Maybe they are afraid of what you know. Maybe that’s why they are trying so hard to discredit you.
FWIW, I think the accusation of trying to make $$ off this case is ridiculous and laughable and I told you exactly that in an email, as I recall. And ANYONE that would defend Ronald Cummings is certainly in no position to talk about nutcases. He’s a self-styled naxi/skinhead racist, a child and woman abuser and an all around lowlife pos.
I’m done w/ this now. If I haven’t made myself PERFECTLY CLEAR THIS TIME, it’s not for lack of trying. MO
August 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
SKB, I can see your point and I believe alot of us do..ignore the people who are saying things that are not helping get this case solved…and you are not a fool..I have to believe people are put here on earth for a reason and at times in places to do certain things…this could be why you are doing things you feel are right even when logic tells you that its not in your best interest ( money, time,being subjected to fools LOL) I believe you are doing the right thing…or I would not post here…jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
It is interesting also that they just now decided to attack you…wonder what was said to set them off hmmm. lets go back and look at some of the prior posts shall we? jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Grace, thanks for the comments. I rarely ever look at JQ but saw there were some links to Handcuffed from JQ so I thought I’d take a look. I’m sorry I can’t be more clear about what I think happened that night and who was responsible. It’s taken me 3 years to figure it out and once I started looking at motive everything seemed to slip right into place and it all made sense to me. But I don’t have the proof yet, but hope to get it when I can. I wasn’t directing my remarks to you about “solving the case.” I was sort of making fun of myself from 3 years ago when I said I solved the case. I didn’t really expect to find any of Haleigh’s remains in the river at Shell Harbor. I think that would have been highly unlikely and said so then. You know Adam Walsh’s body was never found. His head was, because it was taken by his kidnapper, but not the rest of the body and it probably went into a canal somewhere. We’re just going to have to have a little more patience.
August 12th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Thanks for your response, SKB and I apologize if it sounded like I’m impatient w/ you because I’m not. It’s not your responsibility to bring resolution to this case, that’s LE’s responsibility. I have a great deal of respect for you, what you’ve done and what you’re STILL doing but I do get impatient w/ LE. TMK, you’re the only one that’s doing anything so how anyone can fault you for that is beyond my comprehension…esp now. Talk about kicking someone when they’re down, but that’s the caliber of people that they are.
JQ is a real yawner, imo. It’s all Rah, Rah, Ronnie & family and regurgitated old news. MO
August 12th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
All I can say is youve made me start thinking so much now my head hurts lol I am thinking motive now…and you know how I am when I want to seek out something or *someone*. lol Good night and get well.jmo
August 12th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Tobias #334
I know when Mrs. Sykes bought the home. However, a person does not just suddenly buy a home. House hunting is involved in the process. Crystal was living with Mrs. Sykes when this house was decided upon. Crystal actively went house hunting with her. Crystal was also with with Mrs. Sykes when she decided to buy the home. Just because she was not living with her when the closing took place does not mean anything.
There are no grandparent’s rights in Florida, also. Some states have them, some don’t. Florida happens to be one of the states where that doesn’t legally recognize grandparents. However, that doesn’t mean things cannot be worked out between the legally guardian and the grandparents.
SKB – when you say that you think the two people responsible for HaLeigh’s murder (that hurts my heart to type) are in prison – are you differentiating at all between prison and jail? (I don’t know if you will answer that since that would give away one the people) If you are, I have a pretty good idea of the two people. I know who you said in the past who is not involved. Trying to rule out my own thoughts for a few minutes and treat this like a logic problem, I am only left with 2 people since you say you wouldn’t help Tommy get out of prison if you thought he was directly involved. If I have the people correct, I think I might have the motive correct, too. Makes me sick to my stomach. Poor HaLeigh, and her poor family.
I know you think PCSO is doing everything possible. I just can’t help thinking there is more that can be done. You are one person and look what are able to accomplish with way less resources than they have. Can’t help hoping that Hardy is out on Thursday. There is a candidate that is hoping to bring in FBI resources to search for HaLeigh. Sure looks like Hardy is a lock, though
As always, wishing you luck with your treatments and hopes that you are feeling as well as can be expected! Thank you for all you do!
August 13th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Beachbum, I think PCSO and I may be on the same page as to the one. I don’t think they’d given a lot of consideration to the second person until I brought that person to their attention. I still don’t think they understand the motive because they missed it at the very beginning. Hopefully down the road I’ll have substantive proof, but with my current health status there’s no way I can go out do what I have to do to get the proof. Sorry I can’t be more clear but I have learned to try and keep my foot out of my mouth.
August 13th, 2012 at 11:13 am
I have never thought Tommy murdered Haleigh. I do believe he may have helped after the fact or walked upon whatever occurred.
Grace I totally agree with your posts 327 and 332.
Tobias I also agree that Tommy is not a take charge kind of guy. Timmy I believe is more so than Tommy but he is not in prison. I still think there are a couple who are not in jail/prison that were involved. That is why Hardy said several pois. It is not Hardys fault that there has been no resolve. He has to have evidence to support what happened. LE has told us over and over that all mistruths have hurt the case. All the mistruths were intentional to mislead LE. LE like Mr.Brown knows what occurred but now it is time for the hard evidence to finally bring resolve to what happened to Haleigh. Second degree murder would support an injury Haleigh sustained and then later died just as would manslaughter pending on how Haleigh would have sustained that injury and the neglect of having her treated due to the fear of abuse charges.jmo
Mr.Brown I have to agree with Grace that those bashing you are afraid of your findings. The thing is look at who they support.
I was a skeptic after Shell Harbour but you have shown me just who you really are and I have come to have a great respect for you. Thank you for not stopping. I am sure as Haleigh looks down from heaven she is smiling at you.
I am glad you let it be known just how you feel. It is absurd how people can kick someone when they are down. The only person searching for the truth and that is what WE ALL want right;the TRUTH.
jmo
August 13th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Beachbum, so you are saying if Ron lost custody the Grandparents would not be allowed to see Junior unless Crystal allowed it? Well that sheds some light on the recent events. jmo
August 13th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Glad to see you up and at em a little more in the past few days Mr. Brown.
Hey no one is going anywhere so a few more months to wait while you recover is nothing. Just do what you need to do to get your health back to normal so you can help not only HaLeigh but dozens or other people who will need your help in the future.
As far as posters comments, well people have a hard time with a lot of things in this case. It has been like a horrible roller coaster ride with far too much emotion, opinion and a lot of meanness.IMO
You can handle that Mr Brown. You know just being even slightly involved in a highly charged case like this will get some mud on your shoes and most likely some on your face as well. But you are strong enough to ignore the na sayers and keep on track. After 3 years of all of this 2 of which you were on Chemo and all the other road blocks you came through… are ya gonna let a little Steve bashing get ya down??? I think not. Remember you can please some of the people some of the times but never all of the people all of the time. God bless you and keep on working on getting your health back.
August 13th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Tobias, if a person has his or her parental rights terminated, that person is no longer considered legally a parent. Therefore, grandparent’s rights wouldn’t even matter.
What I was referring to above was that a grandparent has no legal standing in FL to go into a Court and file for any type of visitation. That is all. They can, however, file for custody or guardianship if the situation calls for it. I wish I could say more now, but I cannot.
All of that said, Ronald’s recent Court case had nothing to do with Junior (nor HaLeigh). He still has parental rights to both of them.
August 14th, 2012 at 11:51 am
One person comes to mind that LE discounted early on is Amber…she definitly had some issues with both Ron and Misty… she also was staying with Jerome Williams who rented from Daniel Bass who lived in another appartment in the building…and the girl Lindsy that was along on the weekend party.. we never found out anything about her except she lived in Flagler estates and had a boyfriend who lived in St. Agustine. jmo
August 14th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Anybody know how to further identify this Lindsy that Tobias mentioned. According to Jane there was a younger girl at the mobile home that evening that she didn’t know. Wonder if it could be this Lindsy. I would like to talk to her.
August 14th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
someone out there should have info on who this Lindsey is. Chelsea mentioned her in your interview. She was 17 at the time. NN would know how to definitely get in touch with her since NN slept at her home on the 8th of Feb until 4pm that afternoon before leaving and going to Donnies. jmo
http://grandparents.about.com/od/grandparentingissues/a/VisitationRights.htm
on the grandparents rights issues. They would have to prove the parent unfit per this article unless the parent willing gave visitation. Now if they get to see the child infrequently and are not restricted 100% then they are wasting the courts time.jmo
August 14th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Good thought LFJ, I’ll try Nay Nay when I get a chance. She’s not always the easiest person to find, but she usually shows up in jail from time to time. That’s where I usually talk to her, but not always.
August 14th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=34&ved=0CGYQFjADOB4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artharris.com%2F2009%2F04%2F20%2Fexclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks%2F&ei=9YoqUKzCFcmf6QG-u4GYAg&usg=AFQjCNHQ69A_Cj3rBBslYK3K2tQHj8I1CQ&sig2=6jL6U1iUAmVgtCpXtw2kCA&cad=rja
This is the interview of NayNay where she talks about Lindsy…she also talks about Chelsea and Lisa looking for WBG saying Ron and his dad are out looking to kill him…
Interesting isnt it that NayNay knows exactly the amount agreed on for Lindsy to do her favors????And of course they are just sitting around waiting on her Yeah right LOL not surprising since she isnt going to incriminate herself for prostitution. jmo
August 14th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Amber Brooks may know as she was with Lindsy, NayNay and Misty THAT weekend, WBG should know also, as Lindsy supposedly worked for him?
Lisa Croslin, WBG’s mother, NayNay’s siter and that lady Cobra interviewed, Barbara ??, are others that could know her.
I know most here are convinced that Ronald was involved in HaLeigh’s disappearance, it’s sad to see so many gunning for him to be lynched and burnt at the stake….I still don’t believe Ronald had anything to do with it,and I’m entitled to my opinion.
I do question why on earth anyone would want Tommy Croslin out of jail, he’s the only one that has officially been named a suspect.
I thank you for all you have done and are doing Mr. Brown, God willing you will solve this sad case soon.
August 14th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I havent seen anyone on here gunning for any one person..we also take no sides. No one knows that is the point…as LE has said the world is suspect..jmo
August 14th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Since we do not know who or what happened everyone is suspect..I find it amazing that some people are taking sides and personally I could careless who it is as long as they are caught and Haleigh gets justice..jmo
August 14th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Hi Noreen,
I think there is a lot of heat break in this case as we all do. We all have such very strong theroies or opinions. I personally don’t feel that RC was involved in HaLeigh’s abduction. But then I am one of the last people to feel it is still a strong possibility of a stranger abduction or SO crime. I know that it seems crazy for me to still hold on to this theory, but I do.
As far as RC is concerned, I have to be honest and say I do not think much of him. He did after all have several sexual relationships with underage girls. Now no matter whether Jordon is his or not he still lived with AB and she was a young girl when it began. MC at 16 should have been way out of his radar. I really do not have any tolerance for the things RC did in his life. Things that had nothing to do with HaLeigh’s abduction. So just to clear the air a little, I can understand why people feel sympathy for him. He lost a child. Was he involved? IDK Who was involved ? IDK. But TC being named a suspect by a prosecutor in an totally different crime’s hearing was not only unethical it was just plain irresponsible. JMO though.
There is no more evidence on TC being involved than there is of RC or anyone else for that matter. TC did a crime and pled guilty to that crime. His crime should have carried a 3 yr sentence. That is what he should have gotten. To use this crime he did commit to nail him for a crime that has no proof of his involvement is not only unconstitutional it is certainly not justice for this small childâs life or anything else for that matter. If TC did anything to HaLeigh then the additional 12 yrs he got that appears he was sentenced to for her, is not near enough time IMO. Either prove he was involved and sentence him for it or let him out in the 3 years that he should have gotten for the crime he did commit. JMO Can you imagine he would have 3 yr for the drugs and then because of strong opinions and feelings he got an additional 12 yrs for harming a child? Sorry but I just canât stomach that. Let them all have FAIR and JUST sentences for every crime they did commit that they are charged with and proven guilt in. This includes anything for HaLeigh , in HaLeighâs name and for her. Nothing else will satisfy me. JMO
August 14th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
SKB Do you know what kind of car Jennifer was driving when she picked up Joe? Because Santos saw Lindsy in a car that day …just wondered if it was posssibly Jennifers car or just a friends..if it was the same car as Jennifer it prove she was there that day..I believe he said it was a red caddie. I will go back and look for it.jmo
August 14th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Barb, I agree 100 percent with your post.
August 14th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
It could have been a caddie, I was thinking it was a lincoln, but I wasn’t involved in the case at that stage.
August 15th, 2012 at 12:52 am
IIRC and I believe I do, JA’s car was a Cadillac and NaNa’s car (the one AB borrowed) was a Lincoln.
Here is RC on the Cobra tapes talking about JA’s car.
cobra: what do you think about joe, bro? joe would hurt your kid, right?
ron: joe, had business with me… because, heres`s the thing…
cobra: damnnn!
ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after..
i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around
the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?
cobra: where?
ron: now… (unintelligible) he was with Hank at the doctor… cuz hank said mf`r
if you got that pistol… you need to give it up.
cobra: who said that?
ron: hank…
August 15th, 2012 at 12:56 am
IMO The above conversation also shows that JA was still around the area with JO for at least a few days after they arrived in Fl. The above discussion is about the gun incident which supposedly occurred 3 days after JO arrived in FL.
August 15th, 2012 at 9:31 am
The problem with the interview above is Hank wasnt in the hospital until way later after the gun was found and Ron confronted Joe..Hank and Lisa said they were there..everyone in the family knew Ron had found the gun since Misty was the one to go retrieve it out of the culvert.jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 9:48 am
And this is another story that has 2-3 versions..Mistys and Rons..strange isnt it? Misty says she found the gun while with her sister in law (on the phone with Ron) and Ron says he found the gun, took it out of the culvert, cleaned it and put it away…which story is real? jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 10:32 am
ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after..
i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around
the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?
Barb ,thanks for putting this up. Tobias you are exactly correct about the different versions and Yeah I would like to know which one was the truth.
In the quote above Ron says Jennifer Allen came from whereever she was from…..
This allegedly happened on the third day Joe was in town. According to Ronald this was the first time he met Joe.
This means he had not met JA yet unitl she arrived from where she was from. Ron is accusing JA of being the one searching and looking for his gun;not Joe O at this time on this day. In which Ron claims he caught her in there, so when did this gun actually disappear to be found in a culvert. Ron clearly planted it! Misty and CC were the ones that allegedly found it but Ron said he did and then took it home and cleaned it.
Somethings not right here..
This quote bothers me! Ron does not state his actual business that Joe had with him.
ron: joe, had business with me… because, heres`s the thing
I wonder what that business was??????
Joe O was already gone when Hank came home from the hospital from his accident.
I guess he could of went to a doctors appt. prior to the accident but Hank Sr. had a job and was working before then.
NO ONE here is gunning for Ronald Cummings. We all want the truth!!!! if it means the truth finds he is involved, so be it !!
I have posted no matter if Ron is or is not involved I have absolutely no respect or compassion for him. Everything that has happened to him is his own fault. Look at what Ron did after his daughter went missing? He put his little boy in harms way and caused the change of parental custody. AS attacked Crystal after the court hearing. I understand it was a sensitive situation, but you dont attack the childs mother because your grandson cant seem to follow the straight and narrow. They blamed the little teenage girl because Ronalds in prison for drug trafficking. Ronald was Mistys teacher and it is evident he was her mentor. No one controlled Ron but Ron himself. JMO JMO
It is time for the truth and bring Haleigh home and give her Justice. If you want to be on a side then be on Haleighs side. That is the side I am on.jmo
Barb, I loved your post. I absolutely agree!jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Of course I also want the Truth and Justice for HaLeigh, I am on HaLeigh’s side and saddened to think some would suggest I wasn’t.
Regardless of who is involved, I will be praying for stiff sentencing after their arrest(s). I truly don’t believe Ronald Cummings will be one of them.
Hi Barbara, I totally understand what you’re saying about Tommy, the same should also be said for Hope, Donna and Misty too, thinking about it, Ronald also; lets face it, all 5 of them probably would have received much lighter sentences had they not have been connected to the HaLeigh case.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:36 am
http://youtu.be/qt8NF64nOAU
Impotant..at the 4 min. mark or about..Santos says Misty talked to someone in a red car..he says Lindsey is in the car..SKB could it be possible this was actually Jane and not Lindsy? Santos at the time did not recognize the guy…hmmm something to think about…jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Noreen- Gunning for Ronald? Interesting and ironic choice of words, imo. Of course you have a right to your opinion, as do those that think RC may have been involved. EZ PZ concept.
barbara- I agree that the SA crossed the line during TC’s setencing. Imo, so did Judge LaRue. The lecture about selling drugs while a child is missing should’ve been reserved for Haleigh’s father and to a lesser degree, her babysitter that night, Misty. Haleigh was not Tommy’s responsibility. MO
lfj- Great post, ITA.
August 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Jane said WBG car was a malibu..was it red? jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
TY LFJ,
On the Cobra RC conversation, I posted it to show JA had a Cadillac to confirm the posts above that one about what kind of car she drove. I included some of the conversation just to show JA was there in Satsuma.
LFJ you could be right that she “showed up ” meant JA was not there at the time but came back. This shows she was not that far away from the area and did not just drop JO off and leave till it was time to go back to TN.
A couple of things here. One it says JO was at the Drs with Hank. Not that Hank was in the hospital. We know HC at this time did use prescription drugs. This is before the accident but HC did see DRs before the accident. According to what we know from HC himself.
I do find this a little weird, because why would JO go to the DR with HC? Remember HC was on prescription meds? Remember the DR shopping charges? JO may have gone with HC to a pill mill for his own little stash. IDKICBW
Now I also have to say it is odd that JA was left behind here. Notice RC states ” When I came DOWN out from my room” Now I question the use of the “when I came down” part of this sentence. It was a MH…one story!!
Next I find it hard to believe JA just sat around RC’s MH waiting on JO to return from the DRs with HC. Why would she wait at RCs house?
I think there is a little more to this event and it’s location than originally mentioned. JMO
LFJ when RC says JO had “business with me,” he is referring to the gun incident. He means they had this little incident happen, “business together.” RC states this and then goes into telling of the supposed gun theft.
I do believe there was an incident with JO and RC. There is just to much evidence pointing to something that happened. JO was originally staying with Tommy. After the first three days he moves to Hanks. This indicates something happened to cause the move. RC was way too close to TC’s MH if there was a problem with he and JO.
Next too may people told of this gun incident to totally discount it. Yes there are several version but still SOMETHING did occur IMO.
The other thing I feel this does show is that JA was not absent from JO for the entire visit as we had previously thought.
IS JA the other girl at the MH that Jane claims to have seen? I know she is not younger than MC but from the pictures of her I have seen she does look young. From a distance who knows what Jane thought?
For me there is some information hidden in this little blurb by RC. JO had not visited before. Why now after over 7 years?
If you read these peoples FB and MS pages they go all over from MI to Oh to FL and everywhere else for little “overnight” visits. One day they are in Ten. next in another state. To me this is a sign of drug trafficking. JMO. I think, and it is just my own opinion, that JO went to FL for drugs and other things on that little trip and not just to visit Aunt Lisa and his Cuz. His past 3 yrs and before are full of Drugs, stolen weapons, break ins and what else?
Does this mean he was involved with Haleighâs disappearance? Well who knows ? Was he ?
AJMO and a few crazy obsevations.
August 15th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I thought Jane said it was a taurus? which is a Ford. I do recall it being red I believe. I guess i need to go back and read that article. Those facts have escaped my brain.LOL. jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
no the color of the car jane was in was green. A ford Taurus.
A Ford Taurus, I think it was.
We was in a little green car.
could it have been Tommys truck since others were using the family van?jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Its interesting that Santos says they headed towards Misty house…jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
yes I remember that.It is very interesting. There was the claim that Lindsey was over at Green Lane prior to going to clinicals that day. We never heard that again though so it became rumor mill.jmo
August 15th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Barb, I agree that there was more to that event. What if the business was pill mill business. I just watched another story on National geographics where they come from all over to florida to get these pills from these places and take them back to their state. This one guy said he quit his job and was living well making these trips and hitting like four pill mills in one day and taking them back and selling them. In a couple days he would have to make another run.He said he had to get help making these runs to keep people supplied. The places they did the documentary from was FT.Lauderdale area and West palm beach area and Miami. Now what a coincidence that JA was visiting relatives in the West palm beach area. This is not far from Ft. Lauderdale either.
Ron caught JA in the room where Ron said he hid the gun and told no one where it was. Now how did he know that Joe O was thinking this is where it was and why would Joe send JA to steal the gun?
There were people in satsuma Fl last year that would get into one car drive down to Miami and hit those pill mills and come back with a load. They paid the driver in pills. Now one of those persons OD’D last Year. Idk since i have not heard anything lately if they are still doing it since they have hit the pill mills hard here in Florida closing them down.
I do see the drug trafficking theory though Barb. Iam sure LE checked out JA story, but we have to remember this is RC telling this story. Teresa Neves on a media interview said the fight between Joe and ron happened the night before Haleighs disappearance. Now Hank was still home on Saturday the 7th of Feb 2009. Perhaps something happened with Joe and Ron that saturday. Only thing is Misty was not there she was out on her adventure and had been gone from Rons definitely since Thursday. Misty was with NN on that Tuesday. This is when Misty said she had to meet WBG per WBGs mother. Its strange to me that Misty went back to Rons even on that Wednesday. I still feel they were really broke up most of that week.
jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 1:29 am
Yes lFJ I saw that show as well.
Those guys make a lot of money doing that. The pill mills are a big problem in FL. One thing that struck me is how much that guy said he got per pill. Much more than the Big 5 charged Undercover for the pills that they sold em.
To me HC taking JO with him to the DR is a red flag. JMO Why take JO to the Dr with him?
On HC, he was in the accident on Sat the 7th in the late afternoon though. He and Tim C were coming back from a job when the accident happened so I don’t think this event RC talks about happened that week. JMO
My guess is it did occur the 3rd day JO was in Fl and this is why JO left TC home and went to Stay at Hank’s Magnolia home that same day. JMO
I just think there is more to this story than we heard and that is why the different version were told. JMO RC claims HC hit JO that day and threatened him as well. Why would JO then go and stay with HC and why would HC even want JO around after that? Why would any of the Croslins trust JO to stay at their homes? Just doesn’t make sense to me. Unless it was really JA who was the thief and it was drugs and not a gun she took and she was sent on her way after the theft. I just don’t get it. Then add what if Fryer was with JO and JA? Who knows ??
I also agree that MC and RC were not all that together all the week before the abduction. MC wanting to meet GP says there was trouble in paradise before RC kicked her out on Thursday IIRC JMO.
As far a LE checking out JA story. Well she was only interviewed for about 45 minutes the AM of the 10th.(according to JO) I really think LE was not looking in her direction or JOs for that matter that AM. I do not think LE has interviewed her since that first day. IMO I would like to know how long she hung out in Satsuma and how many times she was back there during that time though. Where did she stay while she was there in the Satsuma area? I also find it strange that no one but RC mentioned her being around. Why?
August 16th, 2012 at 6:00 am
looking at this statement by Ronald again. It almost sounds like he did not hide the gun in his room but somewhere else. He said Joe O THOUGHT this is where it was at and when he came around the corner and guess where his gf at? It sounds to me that Ronald had already hid that gun in the culvert and falsly accused Joe O of stealing it. Why though? why was Ron hiding that gun and not the rest of his guns on this day?
ron: joe had his old lady come from wherever she was from in her new cadillac
and when i come down out from my room that day… after i hid it…ok?…after..
i didn`t tell nobody… so he thought that was where it`s at …and I come around
the corner and guess where his girlfriend`s at?
Why did Joe have his old lady come and not leave with her after he asked her to drive there to pick him up or was it to pick him up? Mr.Brown has already told us that JA was in West Palm Beach on the day Haleigh disappeared. LE questioned CC over the calls on their bill and CC says that it was Joe on her phone calling his gf and others. This was after the 10pm call. It is only a 3 1/2 hour drive.
A lincoln was seen in the area that night. An older one. I dont think this could get confused with a new caddy. It also would not be that loud. I am speculating that the car she was driving was a rental.jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Tobias, besides West palm Beach iirc didnt you also find that JA had relatives as close has the Sandford/Deltona area? That is only about an hour to an hour 30minutes.
Ronald said Joe had JA come from where she was from. Well she is from Tenn. But she did not drive from there so I am thinking she was not in town with him. She must have been at other relatives. The thing that is interesting to me is Joe O had already summoned JA per Rons story prior to the gun even being claimed stolen by Ronald. hmmmmmmmm jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Noreen, sorry you felt that I was implying you were not on Haleighs side. Just as you implied we all here were gunning for Ronald to be involved. One thing you will not find here is any of us saying this person killed Haleigh as fact. If we knew this as fact Haleighs case would be done and justice served.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. That is fine. Every last one of them have not been cleared. yes, LE said august 17th 2009 that Crystal and Ronald were not CONSIDERED suspects, but the true fact about that was NO ONE in this case was named a suspect so why would they be? Not even a POI was named at that time. Hardy did say after the Shell Harbour search that there were several pois and that Misty knows she is in trouble. I took a personal note that He did not mention Tommy as being in trouble. Since Tommy had helped bring forth the Shell Harbour search I think if Tommy would have also been in trouble Hardy would have said Misty and Tommy know they are in trouble. Then talk about the several pois. He also said that those pois are not going to be happy when they come knocking on their doors.
jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Didnt LE also say they had spoken with Joe and he also was not a suspect? LE lies if they have to just to make the suspect feel at ease and so they feel free to talk..also so they dont lawyer up..jmo
And Joe has a record but the drug part is just for Marijuana, even when LE searched his home no pills or hard drugs were found…jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Here’s mo, which, as Noreen correctly points out, I’m entitled to:
First, Ronald is NOT the victim, Haleigh is. That should go w/o saying but when people develope emotional attachments to the players and then get on the internet and defend them, maybe they need to be reminded who the real victim is. MO
Noreen, I have no idea who you think is responsible for what happened to Haleigh but I can safely say, whoever it is, it won’t make me “sad.” I won’t be sad if you think JO’s responsible, or Tommy, or Misty, or Crystal, or a stranger. Whatever your opinion is, it won’t make me sad. Therefore it’s hard to understand why it would make you sad that some may suspect Ronald.
I suppose it could be argued that he is the father of a missing child and in most circumstances that elicits sympathy. But in Ronald’s case, it doesn’t for me and the reason is simple. Whether he was directly/indirectly involved or not, he failed to provide a safe environment for his kids and one of them died as a result. What he so clearly provided was a life filled w/ drugs, violence, and sex. His proclivity for young girls is questionable enough but it didn’t end there. He physically abused his kids to the point that DCF had to get involved. He beat his gf’s in front of his kids. He used his kids as pawns to manipulate his gfs. He slept w/ his gf in the same room w/ his kids. He stuck a gun in his own mouth and threatened to kill Misty and then himself in front of his son. And that’s probably just the tip of the iceburg.
So whether he was directly/indirectly involved or not, the fact remains, his lifesytle, selfishnes and irresposibility led to his daughters death. What makes me sad is the life that those children were forced to endure. MO
August 16th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Sabastian, she has an Aunt there. jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Noreen Says:
August 15th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Hi Barbara, I totally understand what you’re saying about Tommy, the same should also be said for Hope, Donna and Misty too, thinking about it, Ronald also; lets face it, all 5 of them probably would have received much lighter sentences had they not have been connected to the HaLeigh case.
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Hi Noreen ,
Yes I total agree that is why I said
“Let them ALL have FAIR and JUST sentences for every crime they did commit that they are charged with and proven guilt in.”
That is what the constitution guarantees us in this County. That is not what we have seen in this case
When you have thugs and drug addicts who have long records get lighter sentences then and 18 yr olds with out any previous record at all for the same crime….well then the Constitution is out the window and so is justice by every definition of the word. JMO I may not like the POI in this case but we can not pick and choose who the Constitution should apply to. That would be devastating . It is for the people by the people, ALL OF THE PEOPLE. JMO
I want, as we ALL do for HaLeigh to have HER justice. This in no way accomplishes that. To put people in prison for longer sentences than the proven and admitted crime would call for, to get them to confess to a different crime or to get them to help LE in solving that crime by this action, is sickening to me. And we see it was not effective At ALL. Not for just these people in particular but for all people . That is just not the way we should allow our JUSTICE system to work. JMO
August 16th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
thanks Tobias that would be 2 hours and 58 minutes south of Putnam County
jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I do recall LE also saying Joe was not a suspect.
LE stated no one was cleared of being a potential suspect, even Terry Shoemaker sais was not cleared only moved to the bottom of the totem pole. I agree Tobias LE does lie,except they dont call it a lie they call it strategy.jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
meant to type Terry Shoemaker said Ron was not cleared but moved lower on the totem pole.jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
post 381 …Grace, this is a excellent post.jmo
August 16th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
And as time went by things changed..like the time clocks it was reported early on that PDM did not have the new ones up until after Haleigh went missing..now we are hearing that was all misreported by 3-4 reporters..SKB have you ever interviewed anyone that could verify proof positive that the new clocks were being used? I know Shoemaker made this claim but he came into this case late like you did…the clocks were changed by the time Shoemaker was Rons lawyer. jmo
August 17th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Grace,
I have not said Ronald is the victim, why would you want to twist my words?
I agree with you in as much as I will not feel an inkling of sadness for whomever is responsible, do you seriously think I will? I just don’t believe it will be Ronald Cummings and dont understand why a few here, (I am not saying all)
seem to be trying to fit him to the crime, especially as Mr. Brown has also stated that nothing points to Ronald Cummings being involved.
Here’s an EZ PZ concept for you….you keep yours, I’ll keep mine, and we both can ignore each others posts, sounds good to me.
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Happy Birthday precious HaLeigh Anne-Marie Cummings, hopefully truth & justice will be very soon.
August 17th, 2012 at 11:07 am
hi Barbara,
Thank you for your post #383, I totally agree.
August 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Noreen- actually you said “most here” (post #354) not a few. Then you went on to imply that these “most” aren’t interested in the truth. You used hyperbole like “gunning for” and “lynching” and “burning at the stake” to give the image of an unruly, crazed mob. One has to wonder if you came here to fight and/or what kind of responses you expected to get? You cleared that up nicely in post #389, when you got defensive at the EZ PZ concept that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Apparently you don’t believe that and that doesn’t surprise me at all. I’ve yet to run across a dedicated RC or MC supporter that does.
How novel to drag SKB into this, lol. FYI I’m well aware of what SKB has posted here about Ronald. I read and post here, after all, do you think I wouldn’t be?. And sure enough, once againg you’re displaying your inability to grasp the EZ PZ concept because you completely ignore the fact that SKB also said that all opinions are welcome here. If that changes, I’m sure he’ll let me know. In the meantime I’ll continue to decide who/what I ignore and who/what I respond to but thanks for suggesting to ME what sounds good and what works for YOU. I pondered that for a hot minute and decided…nah.
August 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Noreen- My first response to you is stuck in spam but here’s something I missed-
I twisted nothing because I never said YOU called RC a victim, I was speaking in general. I addressed you specifically later in the post. Go back and look for yourself… post #381
August 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
HAPPY BIRTHDAY HALEIGH!!! YOU ARE THOUGHT OF EVERYDAY AND WE HOPE TO FIND JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON.
LE said if we can find one credible person to place Misty outside of the mh or Ronald Cummings not at PDM then you will see some fireworks.
I believe this to be a bold statement by LE. LE also told us they dont look at druggies as credible. Since Ron and Misty did not share time with anyone other than people who did drugs like they did, that leaves no credible witnesses. We know people placed Rand M outside of these areas but without solid proof there is nothing you can do about it.
I see it this way, as Mr. Brown and LE receive pertinent info. They can change their minds as to who the culprit is as the evidence comes to light. No different than you and I as we hear certain info. They have a greater advantage though. They have evidence to support their theories. jmo
August 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
goodness gracious spammed. lol
Praying for you Mr.Brown.jmo
August 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I defend none of them…not one because until we know the when, what and why we have no idea the who either..and as far as the drug charges,,they broke the Florida laws (voted into action by Floridians) so it is not unConstitutional at all..and I believe the people who have lost their loved ones to drugs would agree…jmo
August 17th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
SKB, I have thought about motive..but in a different way..what if motive was after the fact? Motive to not tell what happened…jmo
August 17th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Tobias, It is not that the MM laws are unconstitutional ,although I and many others do feel they are just that.
David A. Keene
“[M]y opposition to mandatory minimums . . . is rooted in conservative principles; namely, reverence for the Constitution and contempt for government action that ignores the differences among individuals. . . . James Madison, for one, believed that a clear separation of powers was more vital to protecting freedom than the Bill of Rights. Yet mandatory minimums undermine this important protector of liberty by allowing the legislature to steal jurisdiction over sentencing, which has historically been a judicial function. The attempt by legislatures and the Congress to address perceived problems in the justice system by transferring power from judges to prosecutors and the executive branch violate these principles and have, in the process, given prosecutors unreviewable authority to influence sentences through their charging decisions and plea bargaining power.”
- David A. Keene, Chairman, American Conservative Union, written testimony submitted to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary (July 14, 2009)
Pat Nolan, Justice Fellowship
“When judges mete out sentences for certain crimes, mandatory minimum laws prohibit them from weighing the relative harm caused by the crime or the relative culpability of the defendant. Mandatory minimum sentences are “one size fits all”. These laws offend the very notion of justice, which requires that the severity of the punishment match the harm done by an individual criminal. In Exodus 21:24, we are told that our judgments should exact an “eye for eye, tooth for tooth.” This verse limits punishment by requiring that offenders pay back “value for value.” The Bible calls for proportionality in punishment, and stresses that penalties should match the injury.”
- Pat Nolan, President, Justice Fellowship, “Mandatory Minimums, Unjust and Unbiblical”
http://www.famm.org/Repository/Files/FL%20General%20MM%20fact%20sheet%20_8-27-09_.pdf
The fact that TCs crime carried a sentence of 3 yrs as you yourself have posted several times and he was given 15 yrs because of his suspected involvement in HaLeigh’s case..is the part that is un- Constitutional. He was sentenced with out ever being charged tried and proven guilty. The Constitution guarantees us this right .
MC was not the person who supplied the pills or even got the money in 5 of her 7 charges. They wanted to nail her and we all are pretty clear on that. They waited till she turned 18 to do this and then even when she did the first deal and they could have arrested her they kept going to lock her up for life. They wrapped all 7 charges on her. This too was for an entirely different crime which she was never tired or convicted for. Punishment with out the benefit of a trial is un Constitutional.
The polls on the internet on this case and these sentencing show well over 45% of the those answering felt these sentences where unfair and extreme. Only 22% felt they were deserved or fair or necessary to get information on HaLeigh‘s case. So that shows the majority of people did not agree with these sentences and do not approve of how these laws were used in this case.
These MM laws are not written by voters they are done by legislators. Voters do not vote on them before they are put into law.
http://www.legislature.state.oh.us/process.cfm
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/florida-reconsiders-minimum-mandatory-sentences-for-nonviolent-crimes/1162168
http://www.rightoncrime.com/2011/06/the-trouble-with-florida%E2%80%99s-mandatory-minimums/
http://www.famm.org/Repository/Files/FL%20General%20MM%20fact%20sheet%20_8-27-09_.pdf
August 18th, 2012 at 2:19 am
Tobias, with all due respect, people who loose their loved ones to drugs realize that their loved one was an individual with an illness who abused drugs. An addict will do what ever they need to do to get their drugs. Taking MC or TC off the streets will not save a single drug abusers life. IMO There are 1000s of meth labs in this country and billions of drugs shipped in every day from other countries. Fl is full of pill mills that are responsible for 100s of deaths each year and these pill mills are operating with in the laws supposedly. As long as their are drug addicts there will be someone looking for a legal loop hole to sell to them. As long as their are drugs of any kind or anything that can get a person high there will be drug addiction, and drug related deaths. Believe me any and every addict has a hundred sources for their drugs and if they didn’t they would sniff PAM, do whippets or sniff glue or do bath salts or what ever they could get their hands on and some would die from their addiction. Do you blame the bar tender for the alcoholic ? Not saying drugs are ok just that there are also millions of alcoholics in this country and many will die, tonight even, from this addiction. Yet we donât put all the bar owners and bar tenders in jail. We donât lock up the drive though owners.
The problem is the addiction. Just say no , thatâs the only real answer. Education and caring for our children and making sure we know what they are doing 24/7. That is the best way to keep them from becoming addicted and dying. Holding Drs more accountable for their over zealous prescribing of addictive pain pills. If the patient does not need them they should not have them. IMO In this sting all the drugs sold were legally prescribed drugs being sold by the people who had them but did not need them. Locking up the dealers, well we just do not have enough cells or LE to do this. IF we did we would have to lock up a whole lot of Drs as well. JMO Prescription drugs are the leading cause of addition and drug related deaths in this Country today. Someone is prescribing them cause they are not manufactured on the street. So is the problem the dealer or the one who supplies himâ¦. A DR?
IMO Fl is not one bit more safe with the Satsuma five locked up. (not as far as drugs go anyway)JMO
August 18th, 2012 at 2:21 am
390.Noreen Says:
August 17th, 2012 at 11:07 am
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You are welcome Noreen
August 18th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
We can debate drug laws for years…the real issue is Haleigh..and those that thought it was more important to deal drugs then to find her…its that simple..jmo
August 18th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Anyone that believes there is equal justice for all is naive’ at best. There is disparity in sentencing based on race, income, gender, employment and other factors that are too detailed and off topic to mention here. It has been this way long before any of us alive today took our first breath.
This a is not my opinion, this is documented FACT. In short, the system, as it exists today, did not suddenly become unfair when Misty and Tommy were sentenced.
As an aside, JO will be sentenced next month. If he is sentenced to more time than someone else who committed a similar crime will we see the same outrage and talk of the Constitution? My guess is, no.
August 18th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Sentenced? I havent seen any document saying he was found guilty..just a hearing and the next hearing is in Sept. 6…he is out on bail still..jmo
August 18th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
We are all obviously here for this child. HaLeigh brought us all here together to hope pray and wait for her return.
I do not want to offend anyone who is her for her. Those who have differing opinions of the whos, whys and whens of this case are still here because of this tiny girl who touched us all. I can accept all of the opinions or theories that are expressed with respect and without anger (which is difficult at times for almost all of us, sadly)
In my heart I can not turn my back on the injustices of this case. To say it all about HaLeigh is, well thatâs not the only thing this case is about for me and many others. She is who we are here for of course. It takes nothing away from HaLeigh to recognize there are other victims , other wrongs and other injustices and others who are suffering in this case. To want justice for HaLeigh does not mean others in this case do not deserve justice as well. IMO
To end every discussion that we find we disagree with or that someone states a personal opinion about that disagrees with ours or that someone has a concern about or valid point in by saying it is about HaLeigh is really like saying someone forgot that IMO. None of us ever forget HaLeigh.None of us have to agree on anything to be here for HaLeigh. IMO We can all have our own feelings, sorrows, opinions and empathy or sympathy for any or all of these people we choose. That does not mean we feel less for HaLeigh, it just means we recognize there are other victims in this case as well. No one is or has been proven to be guilty of harming HaLeigh. All injustices need to be made right and to do so will not lesson justice for HaLeigh IMO At this time no one is charged, there is little to no evidence and no one is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Suspect, dislike or even feel anger towards them for what is known they have done but hate them for what is not proven? Is this also for HaLeigh? Sorry but I for one just do not think so.JMO
August 18th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
I for one will be angry every time justice is misused, manipulated or twisted. JO has not been proven guilty or proven to be involved in this crime so if he is sentenced for any involvement in it without a fair trial or a confession, I will be very disappointed. I may not like JO but he deserves a fair and just legal system. So does HaLeigh IMO As I said before , for me , justice for her will be in her name with evidence , answers and (I am praying) her being brought home. IMO
MC deserved jail time for her involvement in the drug sting, I do believe that. Yo 6 yrs incarceration would have been very just IMO. TC him too. 3 yrs would be fair and just. Truth is if it was not about HaLeigh there would not have been a sting. LE did not care what RC did for all the years he did what ever he wanted. MC well she was an invisible kid and not even a concern for anyone including LE even though the law says she was supposed to be in school. So really these people and all they did…..LE did not care. If lE did care and did do something maybe HaLeigh would still be alive today. When you have a guy like WBG who has done all he has done and is a hard core law breaker, drug dealer and on probation and has as many charges as he has had and he gets 10yrs and TC gets 15, well it does make me angry. When you have a guy like Fryer shooting at people and steeling guns and cars and he is running loose well ya that makes me angry too. When you have a guy like RC who gets teen girls pregnant and LE does not care and every charge against him gets dropped and then a sting and he gets less time than a teen with no record, well ya that makes me angry too.
The legal system is not always right or fair or even balanced . We know that. So no matter who the legal system fails JO or MC or some other person I hear about, I will not be ok with it. Not at all.
August 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
You’re right tobias, I read it wrong. It’s a hearing next month.
And you’re right too, barbara. We all have different opinions, likes, dislikes, interests and life experiences. My interest in this case is what happened on 2-9/10-09. The players personal lives, trials and tribulations are all side issues and frankly, I’m tired of the side issues. There’s been 3 1/2 yrs of side issues.
I’d love to be able to right all the wrongs in the world but that’s not possible. So I pick my battles and defending people that may have had a hand in the death of a child, or at the very least, hindered the investigation, is not one of the those battles.
If working on Tommy’s case will shed light on what happened to Haleigh, I’m all for it. But the rest of them can stay right where they are, as far as I’m concerned, unless they can do the same.
That’s my opinion and like you, I’m free to express it
August 18th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
post stuck in spam
Why does the accusation of “hate” always have to be used by those that support the players? I don’t remember ever reading someone say, I hate so and so on this blog. For the record, I don’t “hate” any of them. I don’t like any of them either.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Barbara post #403 – very nice post.
HaLeigh’s tree planting yesterday was a beautiful event. Her tree is a beautiful “watermelon” color and was planted right outside her old classroom. Her old teacher was there and told some nice stories about HaLeigh and her huge smile. It was a well attended event.
Annette read a poem after the tree was placed in the ground. And Teresa read well wishes from people on the internet that were not able to attend. Everyone present was allowed to place dirt on the tree. The family placed the dirt last. Then, at 2:16pm (in honor of HaLeigh’s 2:16am birth), 9 red, purple and pink balloons were released over the school.
School supplies were collected to be placed in “HaLeigh’s Closet” – which the Sheffield family started several years ago. The school was very grateful for everything they received in donations.
It was a beautiful birthday celebration to honor HaLeigh.
August 18th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
The only two that got the maximum sentences for the traffiking was Hope and Tommy.
Everyone else got the minimum. Mistys was 25 min and 30 yeARS MAX. R and Donna got deals and still got 15, although Ronald deserved at least equivalent to Misty imo.
Point is R and M were in most of the deals. Misty did go buy the pills and give them to the UC and we saw her receive money and put it in her bra. The point is all you have to do is be there.She sold and made money. I can only speculate there are more to the videos we have not seen. jmo
I guess we can speculate that Hope got 15 due to her arrogant Drama Queen act. They gave her what she asked for. Now Tommys minimum was only 3 years also. Yet he got the maximum. A lot of years to knock off for the truth and no involvement. Therefore if Tommy were to give up credible info he would be due to get out soon.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Grace,
Thanks for your reply. It is duly noted that you do not hate any of them. Yet certainly in reading about this case you do realize there are many people who do hate them, all or some , right? I mean it is nice and everything that you do not feel the depth of distain that many others feel for this group yet to deny that hatred of any of them does exist in this case is just a little too optimistic. IMO You may be one of the more reasonable posters in this case who can keep emotions in check and judgments reserved. Yet I am sure you have seen posts saying MC should be killed (let the GP in the prison have her)or RC should be shot or other even more graphic wishes or suggestions of torture or demise directed at this group and the others in this case. I myself consider this a form of hate. JMO
So I am glad you do not feel this emotion in this case but it does not mean it does not exist. We on this board are not the only people following or commenting on this case. I speak of a much wider spectrum of people Grace. I was not referring to anyone on this board, certainly not you. So I do apologize if you took my comments personally.
August 18th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Thanks for sharing Beachbum. It sounds like a warm and loving tribute for this sweet little girl. I so wish she could be brought home.
August 18th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I do agree with much of your post LFJ. Yet MC did not get only 25 yr she did get 50 yrs total and a 500,000. fine and 10 yr probation and restriction or prohibition on a drivers license to boot. All the others got far less than half of that. All the rest did have a record of previous drug involvement and 2 were even pending disposition on other charges(except DB and who knows about her in her life) MC did qualify for YO but as the Judge said , I considered YO but 6 yrs was not enough for this crime. Not enough for 800.00 in drug sales with no priors? This was the DB deal in that County. DB got the pills and the money and she got 15 and MC got 25 in that deal alone. That is certainly wrong IMO. I am not the only one who felt MC was far over sentenced. There are, as I said, at least 47% of those polled who feel the same as I do.
So when we think of MC being involved in 7 deals by being along with the others and by her selling less than $600 worth of drugs herself, well I will always think her sentence was extreme. Especially for an 18 yr old kid with absolutely no previous record. That is just my opinion
August 19th, 2012 at 9:40 am
She is not serving 50 years..she is serving 25 (the 2 sentences run together) and the reason she is charged this way is because she dealt in 2 different counties..and I agree with LFJ we do not know everything said on those UC tapes (although one slipped through but has quickly dissappeared about Haleigh ruining her (Mistys) birthday party)we know they spoke about her to the UC…jmo
August 19th, 2012 at 9:50 am
I’m not buying post #404, barbara, not even a little bit. I was here and read what you posted about JO and there was no IUPG or justice for all vibe in any of your posts. What has been said here about RC is no worse than the things you said about JO. So I you’re no better than anyone else after all. Imagine that.
August 19th, 2012 at 10:03 am
My post should read, So I guess you’re no better than anyone else.
It’s nice that RC’s family has continued what CS and MG started w/ the school supplies. And the tree is beautiful. Normally people plant trees in honor of someone that died. I thought they were convinced she is still alive.
What are they doing in terms of finding out what happened to Haleigh? I remember RC’s first set of lawyers saying they hired a PI but haven’t heard a thing about it since. How’s that working out?
Most people would use the donations they receive and all the resources they can come up w/ to find out what happened and bring the guilty to justice, not use the money for trips and vehicles and new/bigger/better trailers. MO
August 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
I will still say all of the same things about JO and RC that I said before . Truth is truth. I do not care for either one of them. RC well he did loose a child. Do I think he deserved that because of his choices, absolutely not. Not liking them is one thing but that does not mean I want them to be over charged or adjudicated unfairly or rail roaded. I do not want the legal system to be broken and in this case (as well as many others)it appears it has some real cracks in it. I belonged to a group that was against MMs way back in 1989 Grace. So this is not something new for me. I have disagreed with MM for years now and have signed many petitions against them. I have also signed many petitions on cases I felt sentences were extreme for the crime. In fact one with in the past few months on a case in FL. Even though I did believe in the guilt of the suspect I did not believe in their sentence. So believe what ever you want. You are certainly entitled to that. But IMO you do not have to like someone or every feel sorry for them to want a good strong fair and just legal system. JMO
I have never felt that I was in better than anyone, too bad you don’t know me, you would know that.
August 19th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
barbara- Just saw post #409, it must have been stuck in spam. When posts are stuck in spam the numbers get thrown off so to be clear this is the post I’m responding to-
Barbara Says:
August 18th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Yes, I’ve seen a lot of things said about all the players and I’ve also seen people accussed of being haters…myself included. The word “hate” is way over used in this case and that’s always bugged me. I think my definition of hate is different from those that use it so loosely.
Not much in this case surprises me but you could’ve picked me up off the floor when I read that you think I’m reasonable, lol. Even I don’t think I’m reasonable at times. The truth is, I can be very stubborn and unreasonable until I get over it but I can also identify and admit my own faults so hopefully, it all balances out. At any rate that did suprise me because we’ve bumped heads many times here.
I don’t post anywhere else and haven’t since IS closed last year. I don’t read other places either, w/ the exception of WS and JQ and that’s only when something is happening in the case. So when I read general statements, I naturally think it’s about something that’s been posted here. That has been the source of confusion, assumptions, and misunderstandings in the past. Not sure how to remedy that except to keep in mind that not everybody reads all the things in all the places that cover this case.
Here’s to continued reasonable posts, barbara. Cheers
August 19th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I responded to your other post but it’s stuck in spam.
My point was that JO has never been proven guilty of the things you posted about him. At the same time RC has never been proven guilty of the things I’ve said about him either. The difference is, I don’t claim the IUPG thing. Imo, and I believe I’m correct about this, IUPG only applies to a court of law. People that observe cases and post about them or talk about them are not held to the IUPG, nor should they be, imo.
As for the MM’s, my state doesn’t use them. It’s not one of my battles. Of course I want to see justice for everyone but it doesn’t happen and in this case it’s not high on my list of concerns. There’s no right or wrong here, just different priorities.
August 19th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
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tobias Says:
August 19th, 2012 at 9:40 am
She is not serving 50 years..she is serving 25 (the 2 sentences run together) and the reason she is charged this way is because she dealt in 2 different counties
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With all due respect, she was in fact sentenced and is serving 25 yrs in one charge and 25 yrs in the other 6. Just because they are severed concurrently does not mean she did not receive 50 yrs for her charges.
The first 25 yrs was for being along with DB, DB pills, DB’s prescription and DB was handed the 800.00 by under cover. . MC got none of the money and did not handle the drugs. MC Cleary tells this in the jail video and it is well known as fact. DB got 15 yrs MC got 25 yrs . We did not see this UC sting video but we saw all the ones that clearly incriminated MC. We did not see this one because it does not incriminate MC and LE did not want sympathy for MC. IMO
The second 25 yrs was for the balance of the charges, 25 yrs. So MC got more that 3 times the sentence that anyone else got in this same sting. Slice it anyway you want ….. IMO this was a gross miscarriage of justice. Again another poll shows 69 % of the people polled agree with me. I am not alone in my opinion on this. The majority are right there with me.
According to SW he saw DB provide illegal prescription drugs to a minor, MC for her use long before this sting. This was reported to TM and to PC LE. They choose to ignore it and never brought charges against DB.
August 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Just because we may not agree and do occasionally bump heads well that means nothing to me. LFJ and Tobias and I have had a lot of head bumping LOL in the past 3 years but the truth is I think they are terrific woman, I respect them and their strength and I would be proud to know them and have them as friends.
I disagree with my own children but I would die for them if need be. I am proud they have different opinions , feeling and thoughts than I do. It means they are adults who are independent. I prayed for this when they were small.
As far as disagreeing with people, this is a very emotional case. Emotions are not always reasonable or even pleasant. Each person has a different set of circumstances, life’s experiences and beliefs that lends to their opinions. To walk in my shoes is the only way to understand me sometimes and we know that can not happen. So there will always be disagreements, and differences IMO. But I think we need to be kind and respectful at all times if possible. Most friendship would never have as much controversy as can be found in this case. IMO We have all been here for over three yrs so I say we are all doing pretty good, disagreements or not. JMO
IT was said ……
If 2 people agree on everything…. one is not necessary.
ITA
August 20th, 2012 at 9:20 am
barbara- I don’t deny that outrageous things have been said but I probably don’t see it as often as as you do. Keep in mind that the board I posted on was moderated and posts about torture didn’t last long. Stuff like that wouldn’t fly at WS either. My experience is the opposite of what you describe. It didn’t matter how many times you explained that your suspicions weren’t based on hate, you still were a hater. It serves no one to make snap judgements about people or their motives using the worst of them as an example.
What you describe is the very reason I don’t read everything that’s out there about this case.
August 20th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Has anyone else read that John Merchant is being interviewed for a TV program about teens in prison serving life? It is about the John Silva case that happened in Interlachen..Palatka has it on their news site. jmo
August 21st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
SKB You do know that Jane was almost 9 months pregnant when she supposedly was at the MH? She gave birth on Feb. 21 2009 according to the records..jmo
August 21st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I think she told me that she miscarried one child, but does have another. I’m not sure.
August 21st, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Have you confirmed her alibi of being at Chad Elliots that night? She claimed to have stayed there after WBG and she delivered all the drugs to Green lane..jmo
August 21st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I gave the info to the PCSO and then entered this BMT program so I haven’t been able to do anymore on it. It’s going to be a while, but I’m determined to resolve this case.
August 21st, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I know you will do everything you can I just wondered how far you had gotten before you had to stop..I sure hope LE is keeping up with this..Truthfully I have a little more faith in you. I know its sad to lose faith in LE but they have so much going on down there with a few other more recent murders that need to get solved and the drug activity..jmo
August 22nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Convicted-Dirty-30-drug-dealer-could-face-life-in-prison/-/475880/16223604/-/wjp8xrz/-/index.html
lETS WAIT TO SEE WHAT THIS GUY GETS FOR DEALING..JMO
August 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
I have faith that you will reslove this case Mr.Brown.
Mr.Brown I recall you posting before that Haleighs murder was not part of the plan, not intentional etc…. Do you still feel that way or do you now think that was the motive to murder Haleigh making it intentional????? jmo
August 23rd, 2012 at 10:27 am
I don’t think it was premeditated.
August 23rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
So there was either motive to do something else and Haleigh got in the way or the motive was after the homicide (motive to cover up the crime).
I always wondered if Ron came home like the jealous boyfriend thinking he would check up on Misty..especially since she was gone for all those days..Ron had to suspect since she was out with NayNay..jmo
August 23rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
thanks you Mr.Brown.
good thoughts Tobias. jmo
August 23rd, 2012 at 10:37 pm
MR Brown,
Now I am confused. So this was an accidental death after all ? Not premeditated? HaLeigh died by some form of accident? So JO did not have a hand in her demise after all ? All this time I was thinking you suspected someone harmed her intentionally.
The motive you are speaking of is the motive for covering up the crime and not the motive for the abduction it self?
Can you please give a summary clarification? Not on the Who or why or even anything other than, WAS it an accident? Was the Motive you speak of for the cover up or the crime itself ? I am way off track now. Thank you
I hope you are having a better this week than last.
August 23rd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
In my opinion I think Haleigh’s murder would not qualify for a first degree murder charge. But it would for a second degree. I didn’t say it was accidental, just not premeditated. But that’s just my opinion. Hopefully down the road I’ll have the substantive proof. If not, then I’ll have to rethink it. Sorry to be so obtuse, but I’m not going to put something out there unless I can prove it.
August 24th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I understand what you are saying..there was no premeditation or INTENT to commit the homicide.
For instance if you get into a bar fight and punch someone there is intent to hurt but not intent to kill..but as a result of the fight the person dies..
its still homicide…and if you covered it up it would be second degree… am I getting it right? jmo
August 24th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Looks like old NAY NAY is in trouble again. She just can’t stay out of trouble!
http://oldweb.circuit8.org/cgi-bin/jaildetail.cgi?bookno=ASO12JBN007827
August 24th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CDYQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mugshotsonline.com%2Fflorida%2Fgainesville%2Fkristina-renee-prevatt%2F60490921&ei=FLQ3ULKCPcPe0gHpp4CgDA&usg=AFQjCNGLS3_EaUWWxwGOwr2XJ_lR4Y1zuA&sig2=xyLbSS9ur1vEdPlgHTnNbA
Already saw it but thanks for the info..she sure cant stay out of trouble can she??jmo
August 24th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmugshotsgainesville.com%2Fmug-shot%2Fsharon-latrell-mobley%2F&ei=0L03UIOmN6TF6wGIuIHQDQ&usg=AFQjCNEdrBU_oK-VGhfbN3vauKJPFYolFg&sig2=Hko5-NeLgCrTgc2xUsWW3g&cad=rja
Guy NayNay was with who was charged also…jmo
August 24th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Add Clarence S.Drake guess he was also involved in the snatch and grab..robbery..jmo
August 24th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Thank you Mr. Brown, That is what I was wondering. I thought you may have now felt it was an accident and not an intentional act against HaLeigh herself.
This made the motive seem a bit confusing for me. As I understand it there is no motive in an accident, just simply an accident.
The second part of my question is are you referring to the motive of the crime against HaLeigh or the motive to cover up that crime?
Thanks for answering my first question. It did help clear it up for me, and hopefully others who may have needed clarity.
How ya doing this week? Any updates for us on your BMT progress? Still keeping you in our prayers and will continue until we hear an ALL clear and All is well.
August 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Just wanted to show what disparity there is between this doctor’s sentence and the general public.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-08-24/news/os-winter-haven-doctor-sentenced-20120824_1_prison-time-oxycodone-unregistered-pain
August 24th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I’ve never thought that Haleigh’s death was premeditated either. I do think that she either died by an overdose given to her as a “babysitter”. I’m not sure who purposely gave her the drugs; it could be one of a number of people, ie., Ronald Cummings, Hope Sykes, Teresa Neves, Misty Croslin, Hopes mother? Not sure right now. I’ve always thought that the Croslins were coerced into helping with the coverup. I don’t mind admitting that I’m wrong if it is proven to be something entirely different, but right now, that is at the top of my list of what I think may have happened. Ronald needed a babysitter.
August 24th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I have thought that one over and since Ron had a presciption it would be way easier to claim an accident where Haleigh got into the pills herself..given her age it would have passed the smell test way more than the fake abduction..jmo
August 24th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
lonetraveler Thanks for the link.
This is really sickening. This guy is the very definition of a drug dealer IMO
He gets 3 yrs and 5 yrs probation? He gave UC (and God knows how many other people) oxycodone!!!
“He was arrested on several charges including trafficking in oxycodone and operating an unregistered pain management clinic.”
I think he should get at least 25 yrs. What is FL doing there?
What the heck is an unregistered PM clinic? To me this is a DRUG STORE (not drugstore) What do you call this guy if not a drug dealer???
I would love to know many “patients” he gave these drugs to. Wonder how much money he made doing this? Wonder if it was more than 4 K in oxy he sold? Wonder why they did not try to get him on multiple “deals”.
Funny they charged HC with DR shopping and there are dozens of these guys… “Drs”… giving out as much as you want with out even an examination. Boy HC sure did not know the right people now did he?
These “Drs” get these people hooked on these prescription drugs then LE arrests these addicts when they get desperate and do street deals.
3 YRS !!!!UNBELIVABLEâ¦.he will probably be out in half that. Is he a drug dealer Judge Berger?? Then why the light sentence?? Whereâs his 500 K fine?
This is the very stuff that just makes me crazy!!
August 24th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Tobias ITA with your post 422. Way easier to just claim she got into his pills herself and od’d than to tell this complicated story.JMO
Remember the statement…
I have seen a murder made to look like an accident but never an accident made to look like a murder…
August 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
It could’ve been an overdose of a drug RC didn’t have a perscription for. This group used a variety of drugs, both legal and illegal and some of the legal drugs were obtained illegally. MO
August 26th, 2012 at 11:55 am
LFJ and SKB waiting to hear from you to make sure you are ok and not affected by Isaac too severely.
Prayers to all in FL right now. Take care, stay safe and let us know ASAP that you are ok.
August 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I think we here on the east coast of central Florida are faring well with the strom. I personally have had no damage and still have power. Its rainy and windy but that is all we have had so far.
Praying for everyone else and those for where the landfall is. Thanks Barb and I will pray with you on eveyone elses saftey.
I can see an Overdose but I have also thought that Haleigh may have sustained and injury and was given the oxycontin for the pain. Thinking perhaps it was a combination of the injury and drug that killed her.
I do believe DRUGS played a very significant role in what happened to Haleigh.jmo
August 28th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
This Doctor in my hometown also received a joke of a sentence.And people wonder why so much prescription drugs are on the street!
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20120314/ARTICLES/120319795
I believe that Haleigh was given an illegal drug for whatever reason (injury or just to go to sleep? I don’t know) and died as a result. The person responsible was more interested in covering their own butt so a “kidnapping” had to take place.
August 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Since NayNay is principal in this recent crime I wonder if she will blame the other 2 guys she was with? She may have just been in the car? Guess we will have to wait on the dockets for this case…
Wouldnt surprise me if she walks on a probation charge again. jmo
August 30th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Mr.Brown, i know there are some things you know that you cannot release, but I have been wondering about LE confirming what Tim Miller said Ronald told him in August 2009. Tim said that Ron told him that Misty was not asleep that night, the bed was made( unslept in). The stroy about the washer running when LE arrived that night had been out but in TJ Harts last radio show he reported that the washer was running publicly. It just seems very odd to me that Ron had all this knowledge right from the start yet he married her and then sold drugs with her. I cant figure out why any parent would do this when they had first hand knowledge of the scene when they arrived home. Ron then sat right beside her in an interview with both Shoemaker and Fields present when Misty claimed again that she and Jr were sleeping in the bed LE said was made and unslept in. Something seems way off to me on this.jmo
August 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
What interests me is why Ron would even need Shoemaker since the custody case was over and the case with Tommy really wasnt that much of an issue..if Rons alibi was so great he wasnt a suspect right? Well maybe not since his own lawyer says he was still on the list just not at the top..I dont understand why his lawyer would even acknowledge this..this leads me to believe LE was asking Ron some hard questions he wasnt going to answer with out a lawyer. jmo
August 31st, 2012 at 12:50 pm
SKB Just curious if you have ever possibly suspected JANE? She is in trouble again…
She could be the Dark Horse..one person no one would suspect…jmo
August 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Well,that’s a thought about Jane. Of course nobody even knew she was there until I brought it to their attention. But instead of Jane, I would look at who she was with.
August 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Guess I will be thinking on that one for a while…WBG OR ANOTHER KNOWN ASSOCIATE????JMO
August 31st, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Tobias I agree with on your post 452.
Mr.Brown all we know at this point is WBG was suppose to be with Jane. Were others with her besides WBG that we are not privy to? Janes last visit per her says they delivered the drugs. Leading me to believe it was more than she and WBG. If it was even WBG on the last visit with her.
here is one where Jane says they I served them. This references more than she and WBG. IMO she is trying to keep something from being stated.jmo
Jane: He said he would. He said Iâll hit you up, Iâll come back, Iâll come back I promise. And then like I said, they I was just went over there another time and served them again.
jmo
September 2nd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Steve: Thanks so much for keeping Haleigh’s case open. I keep you in my prayers.
Steve: Was Jane married?
September 2nd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I don’t know if she was married or not. I guess I could look it up. I need to go see her again and get some more answers to questions I didn’t ask the first time. But, in fairness, I had no idea what she wanted to talk about when I saw her the first time or I would have been better prepared. Some people have accused me of putting words in her mouth which I did not do. When I get out of Shands and can get my immune system up where it can stand a visit to jail or prison, I’ll be all over Haleigh’s case again. I think we’re very close.
September 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
thanks alot Mr.Brown. I am praying for you everday. Go take them down Mr.Brown.I believe in you and Haleigh deserves justice.jmo
September 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
I just pray Jane is still around..her lifestyle is not the best..jmo
September 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm
SKB, I have listened to the 911 where Ron says the statement..they had better hurry up and come on..and then read Janes statement about someone on the phone saying they had better hurry up and come on ..with the drugs and Misty said they are already here…it just bothers me because people use the same language all the time..Ron is the only one I have ever heard say that phrase…jmo
September 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
She’s around. I just check the Putnam County jail log and she’ll show up there again. I tried finding her “at home.” But she was never there although I did find some family members but they didn’t know where she was. But you can count on the PCSO jail. I see Nay Nay didn’t stay there very long.
September 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
NayNay is in Alachua jail I believe yesterday she was still on the list.I meant I hope Jane stays alive..her lifestyle is very dangerous as is NayNays. jmo
September 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Also doubt NayNay will be going anywhere for a while her bail is set at $100,000…no one is going to come up with the 10% (10,000) to bail her out…and since she is in Alachua jail I doubt there will be a bail reduction…wonder if she has any more stories to tell on the Haleigh case? Now would be a good time to tell them if she does. jmo
September 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
SKB, I get the feeling NayNay was along that night..she hung around Misty too much after all this happened…doubt she wanted all the heat from this case so why stick around? Unless she wanted to know what was being said…jmo
September 4th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I hope they go put some heat on NN again for Haleighs case. Tobias you and I have talked before about NN being with Misty all the time after Haleighs disappearance. She was even at Charles Jones Jrs home with Misty at times.It is very possible she was there and asked Jane to keep her name out of it. Lord knows what you can come up with when your bunk buddies in the grey motel.jmo
September 5th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I believe Haleigh will be found and justice served and I also believe thats why we all are here because we care and want to make a difference.
sharing this song with you all.
thanks Mr.Brown for all your efforts.
September 6th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
ITA no one should be discarded and forgotten like this…This is why I am here someone needs to ask the questions..and for as long as it takes not just until it seems nothing will get said..jmo
September 7th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
SKB Do you know if Hank plans on visiting Tommy after the 9th? Hank is off his probation so he can now go see both of his kids..I just wonder if he plans on asking them what they remember about that night? Since these visits are not recorded or monitored Hank may be able to get through to them that they need to tell everything to help solve this case..like if Jane and WBG were there and when..jmo
September 8th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I sure wished something would happen in this case..
they just found a skeleton in Clay county and identified the guy as being a missing man from a year ago, he was found in a pond just a few miles from his home…now why cant someone find poor little Haleigh? jmo
September 9th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Oh and so everyone knows ROGER is the goofy guy who is writing and visiting Misty in prison..he has some weird hang up about her, claims to be engaged to her and spending money to investigate…more than likely just someone who is a troll since none in the family have ever acknowledged him existing..SKB has Hank or Lisa ever mentioned him? jmo
September 9th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Oh and also if Roger is real according to his facebook pics he is older than Hank..doubt Misty would really be interested in a romance with someone in their late 50s. jmo
September 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
who is this Roger???? I dont see it but who knows. It is ewwwww! just the thought of it. Such an age difference. I guess where she is she may not think that way especially if he helps her financially. jmo
September 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
SKB do you have any news for us?
Hope you are doing well.jmo
September 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
HEY! Grace miss seeing you on.jmo
September 9th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
I knew about Charlie who thought he was in love with her. But I don’t know anything about any Roger. But, I’m kind of tied up with my own stuff at the moment.
September 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Thanx just thought Misty or Hank may have mentioned him..Roger posts that he visits Misty all the time and has paid for investigators to search for Haleigh..I have a feeling he is just someone making false claims. lol People do some strange things..
I remember the stories about Charlie Lee, he also sounded a little strange…jmo
September 10th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Hope you treatment is progressing and you are feeling better?
September 11th, 2012 at 9:10 am
We couldnt post yesterday for some reson your server was down, glad we could come back today..we were worried something had happened to you..hope you are doing better and recovering from that nasty virus..jmo
September 13th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Still here keeping a daily vigil for any news out of Putnam or surrounding areas, nothing seems to be about Haleigh or those who were close . jmo
September 14th, 2012 at 9:49 am
NayNay is out of jail on OR (house arrest?) GUESS SHE KNOWS HOW TO WORK THE SYSTEM. JMO
September 14th, 2012 at 10:29 am
yes she does
September 15th, 2012 at 10:33 am
SKB Has Hank gone to visit Tommy yet? I know he was waiting to get off probation for so long just to get to go vissit with him..I hope he can help get some info to help solve where and what happened to Haleigh..jmo
September 17th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I hope he can help also.
Any new updates ?
Hope you are doing well Mr.Brown
jmo
September 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I am checking in but for some reason the letters below are not moving..guess its just me?
September 17th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I was released from Shands Hospital and have been home for a couple of days. Going back tomorrow for some more tests and stuff. I expect I’ll go back once a week for a while but it’s good to sleep in my own bed. Thanks for your concern and support.
September 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am
That is so good too hear Mr.Brown.
Continued prayers for you. This isreally great news.jmo
September 18th, 2012 at 11:04 am
I know that feeling..glad you are on the mend..I am having problems with the nucatcha for some reason its not moving on my screen? ITS STUCK OR SOMETHING..WEIRD. JMO
September 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am
http://www.news4jax.com/news/St-Johns-County-deputies-search-for-missing-2-year-old/-/475880/16659254/-/kimbdo/-/index.html
I hope they find this child and he really did just wander off. jmo
September 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Texas-cocaine-trafficker-sentenced-to-25-years-in-prison/-/475880/16649438/-/648kxhz/-/index.html
tHIS IS CONNECTED TO THE BIG BUST IN pUTNAM OF jAMES cHARLES jONES AND OTHERS…JMO
September 19th, 2012 at 10:20 am
http://staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-09-19/search-missing-2-year-old-boy
I hope he survives.Sending out prayers..jmo
September 19th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Joe had a hearing today, docket has been changed yet, wonder what happened? jmo
September 20th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Thank you Tobias for the story on Jet. That is really sad. I pray God comforts this family in their time of grief. jmo
September 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Hope things are still going well for you Mr.Brown.
Praying that you get stronger everyday.
Mr.Brown if there is any info you can share with us. I sure would appreciate it, but only if your up to it. jmo
September 24th, 2012 at 10:51 am
SKB Hope you are doing well? Heard you may need to call American Hoggers? LOL Big pig roast in October?
I know you are on the mend and have so many great friends to help you get there too. We are all hoping you can solve this case when you are up to it..jmo
September 28th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
HEY, Mr.Brown. Just letting you know you are thought about.
I was wondering if you ever asked Nay nay when she dropped off Misty that Sunday Morning at 4am after the WBG adventure and the prostitute Lindsey with the mexicans weekend;was it at Tommys or Timmys? Perhaps it may have been Hank and Lisas home by Shell Harbour maybe, Chelsea said they lived 3 miles from Tommy and Rons homes when Haleigh disappeared. Perhaps they were staying at Hanks home or lived near there before moving to the paradise shore area approx 12-15miles south of there. Both locations were zoned to be Crescent City. NN said Pomona Park, we know she gets confused.jmo
September 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Misty was with her, pleading with Crystal to believe her when she said she had no idea how her baby vanished, or who was behind it. Crystal asked for a toy, or some momento of Haleigh to take with her; it was fine with Misty, but she said she’d have to ask Ronald first. Crystal left empty-handed.
this snip came from this article:
http://www.artharris.com/2009/03/11/haleigh-mom-wants-custody/
this is the quote that caught me by suprise
The boy, “Junior,” as he’s called, reportedly told police he saw a man dressed in black snatch his sister off her mattress in the pre-dawn darkness Feb. 10 as she slept in the living room of their father’s trailer in Palatka, Florida.
This makes me wonder about the sleeping arrangements that Chelsea Croslin told Mr.Brown in this blog.
If that quote is true about the location of where Haleigh really was and the toddler bed was in the LR then why is it so important for everyone to be made to believe that the kids and Misty were in the master bedroom??????? We have not heard ever that Jr stated that Haleigh was in the LR when taken. Apparently this info was overlooked. I know I missed it.It does explain why MC and RCs bed was unslept in upon LEs arrival. jmo
October 3rd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Hey everyone just checking in to see if there is anything new.
Well I hope all of you are doing well. Mr. Brown hope your taking care of yourself.
Where is Haleigh???
Haleigh needs Justice. Fact!
October 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I am checking in too, was hoping to see a new article but it seems SKB may be slow getting to it since he has medical issues right now, I will be checking every day though. jmo
October 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Hey LFJ I also check in to see if there is anything posted but I guess SKB is still not up to posting, get well soon we miss you. jmo
October 4th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
It’s coming I promise. Had to watch the presidential debates last night.
October 5th, 2012 at 11:56 am
One thing is for sure. Those presidential debates and haleighs case have alot in common. Lies lies and more lies. LOL!! just keeping it real. jmo
GREAT to see you mr.brown
October 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
OOOOOO!!!!!Not touching that political debate with a 20 foot pole LOL …I do agree with the lies and more lies when it comes to politics though. You know how everyone loves reality shows..I would love to see Obama and Romney both live for 6 months in a home like mine..I think it would be very entertaining and helpful in their running of the country…Shopping at Walley world,stretching that pay check, not turning the heat on until ya cant take it any more LOL JMO
October 5th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
SKB I have a question about the doors in the MH..is there a door that leads to the master bath? I noticed a door in the pics and then on a video of the master bath there is also a door that looks like it goes into the laundry room. jmo
October 5th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Post stuck in spam.
October 5th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
We are still doing our think tank on theories and looking at all the videos etc. some info is still being found believe it or not..from interviews we overlooked and old ones looked at with new eyes..hind sight really does make ya go hmmm. now,jmo
October 8th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
AMEN! Tobias.referencing post 502 jmo
October 9th, 2012 at 9:38 am
lfj- I’ve been busy and then lost my password. I haven’t forgotten Haleigh or those I’ve met along the way. Hope you’re all doing well.
Couldn’t agree more about the politics, lol.
October 9th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Reading back on what I missed and had to say that is a great song you posted lfj! Here’s my contribution. Forgive the political ad in the beginning…can’t get away from that stuff during election years. Enjoy
October 10th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Hey! Grace, glad too see your back. Love the song.Sure have missed you.
Hey Mr.Brown, I continue to pray for you and hope that you get stronger everday.
WHERES HALEIGH??????? JUSTICE FOR HALEIGH!!!!!!
October 11th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Deputies-to-search-for-missing-woman-s-remains/-/475880/16950962/-/8pybpn/-/index.html
Hopefully while they are searching they look for Haleigh too. jmo
October 12th, 2012 at 10:26 am
just checking in for any new up dates on Haleigh.
Hope everyone is well and Haleigh is found that she may receive justice. jmo
October 13th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Overstreet, Joseph Edward
Detailed criminal history. 2012-B-1514 CONCLUDED OPEN
Appearance Details:
Date Judge Court Room Attorney Reason
Sirgo, Shawn P.
Charge Details:
Charged/Cited Offense(s) Convicted Disposition Bond Date
Weapon – Poss. Dismissed $33000 10/12/2012
Theft o/$500 Dismissed 10/12/2012
Contr. Del. of Minor Contr. Del. of Minor 40-35-313-judgment deferred-no conviction 10/12/2012
No convictions for Joe, just a fine…jmo
October 16th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Hello everyone. just checking in to see if there is anything new.
God bless haleigh. jmo
October 16th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Not much going on right now, is there more of the interview with Jane or NayNay? jmo
October 16th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Hoping to see some news. Maybe LE needs to hold press conference and reveal absolutely everything they know and maybe someone will squeal. They (LE) have held everything close to the chest and nothing has happened to bring justice to Haleigh. It obviously isn’t working. Just because the fab four are sitting in jail, it doesn’t mean that anything has been solved about Haleigh’s death.
October 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Sure wished they would at least turn this over to cold case or investigators so they could look over some of the clues they(LE)have..maybe someone else get get further then LE since it seeems alot of the people down there wont talk to or trust LE enough to talk..jmo
October 17th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Seems Joe has to testify against Brandon on the charges to get out of his own charges…2 years supervised probation too…bet that aint going over too good for Joe..isnt that called snitching in that part of TN? hmmmm. JMO
October 20th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Skb Are you doing any better? We havent heard from you in awhile…wondering if your health has stopped you from posting..
October 20th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
SKB Do you know if Brandon F. was in Florida while Joe was there?jmo
October 23rd, 2012 at 6:31 am
I have never seen this video before. I found it to be very interesting. jmo
October 23rd, 2012 at 6:32 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkrjGZRQzYM
jmo
where is Haleigh? Justice for Haleigh
October 23rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
If they had the heat on in the MH and that Door was open for an extended amount of time it would show a spike in the usage for that day on the electric bill…I hope LE was on top of that? jmo
October 24th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I740oHK5oYA&feature=relmfu
this is posted on april 8th,2010. I am sure this was not the date of that visit,imo.
Tommy took the LDT on April 8th,2010 correct?
Hank Sr. says that Peggy Cone went to see him a few days before this visit and told him that they know that the letter that NN sent out from jail is the truth. That WBG put Haleigh in the pond. Misty says I didnt go to no party. jmo
take a listen. Any thoughts? I am not sure what to make of Mistys answers and reaction to what Hank Sr. said. It does seem strange this comes right before the Shell Harbour search about Joe O? I dont think it would be that far off from the time of this visit and the Shell Harbour search. jmo
October 25th, 2012 at 10:24 am
She sure does get angry about that doesnt she? She talks about that THING she wants in April I believe is the LDT reported that she failed…jmo
October 25th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Hank didn’t say Peggy Cone said they know it’s the truth, he said that Peggy Cone said someone is going around saying it’s the truth.
The way these people lie, misinterpret and twist things around and then repeat it like it’s gospel, it’s no wonder this case is at a complete standstill. MO
I’ve never seen that video of the LVA of Misty either. He makes some good points about Misty, imo. She clearly knows more than she is telling and I’ve never doubted that for a second. Can you believe that in a few mos it will be 4 yrs?
October 30th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Hello Grace. great to see you.
Hope you are well and hopefully you were not in the path of the super storm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjxwd-RQb0
here is the voice print test.
I do agree Misty knows more. I cant believe it is going to be four years already and poor Haleigh has not been found. My prayers for her do not stop.
here is the hypnosis vid also.
http://video.gainesville.com/video/36057307001
John gaspar interview and his opinions on Misty after the test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rJl0k19XtU
jmo
October 30th, 2012 at 10:11 am
here you go Grace.
the LVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjxwd-RQb0
the hypnosis
http://video.gainesville.com/video/36057307001
It is really nice to see you on. Hope you are well and not in the path of the super storm. jmo
October 30th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Grace I did post the links for you, but they must be in limbo for right now. Hopefully they will appear soon.
I have some thoughts on the link from post 523. We have heard from Robert Fields that Misty had been singing the Joe did it story since her arrest in january 2010. Werter also conveys that he and Fields were conferring with one another and found that these two ( Misty and Tommy )were telling similar stories but did vary.
Then we hear what Hank Sr told Misty of what Peggy Cone came to tell he and Lisa about WBG and disposing Haleigh in the pond.
I can only speculate it was for a reaction from Mistys parents and any info they may know in reference to this claim.
It makes me think that LE was following Haleigh OD’D and was disposed of no matter how hard the Joe did it story was being expressed by Misty since January 2010. This visit must be in march since Misty says to her dad about a court date coming up in april. Just my guess. ICBW.
Then we have Flo telling us Misty wanted her to call Annette and basicly give her the heads up, which imo is a form of communication from Misty to Ronald.ICBW though. Annette does tell us Flo did call her and that she and TN went and searched all afternoon at the Shell Harbour area.
I am wondering now if it was actually oxycontin that LE really thinks Haleigh od’d on. What if it was ecstacy or she tasted the powder of cocaine; not oxys after all? Thinking about the drugs in the home per the Jane story. It is much harder to explain how a child OD’D on E and C opposed to oxys.Just a thought.
jmo
jmo
October 31st, 2012 at 9:30 am
BOLO for Mr.Brown. LOL
just checking in and hope you are doing well.
Praying for all who got caught up in the super storm.
Justice for Haleigh!!!!!!!
jmo
October 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hksiJg9yg
Iteresting to watch and listen several times…there is so much to take out of this tape..Tommy, Donna , Misty and Ron/TN…just makes ya go HUH????? JMO
October 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
http://youtu.be/eHHwem0gI2A
pART 1 OF THAT TAPE..JMO
November 1st, 2012 at 11:51 am
Hi lfj- I’m fine but lately I’ve been feeling like this-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrthOPLAKM
LOL, this was in my inbox this morning…too funny. MO
I think the od theory is likely and I agree w/ the things you mentioned. Even before the sting and Jane’s story I thought she may have od’d. All one had to do was look at RC’s lengthy arrest record for drug and related offences to see how drugs played a large part in his entire adult life.
The question remains how did it exactly happen, who was there and what did they do w/ her body? MO
November 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
HAAAAA HAAAA that is too funny. Thanks Grace for the vid. That little girl Abby is just too cute. I agree with her.
The milllion dollar question Grace and we are still waiting on the answers.
I still think Haleigh ODing is a very likely theory.
I was reading back on articles and found one from October 5,2009 CC says Misty was a good babysitter with her kids even though Misty would fall asleep sometimes.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/
This statement comes in on CCs theory she told on JVM about Haleigh ODing and the arguement on the phone that night with Ron and MC on what to do about Haleigh. IF this theory were to be true then Haleigh was deceased by 8:30pm on feb 9th,2009.CC places Ron as the person taking Haleigh out of the home. CCs theory puts MC as negligent and Ron as disposing and negligent. Neither as murderers. Leaving only these two responsible for Haleigh and knowing what happened to her. Misty could know where Haleigh was placed but I dont think she does know. JMO
The one part in the LVA/hypnosis when Misty is talking about haleigh out popping wheelies and riding her bike nags at me. Misty states Haleigh was fine then. It has always bugged me as to why Haleigh would not have been fine later. It does not fit into a kidnapping/abduction scenario. It fits more as in an accident that may have ocurred a little earlier and Haleigh seemed ok but was not later or she was given something then and the reaction to it came later.jmo jmo
November 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
grace a post to you is in limbo. jmo
November 4th, 2012 at 10:52 am
wONDER WHERE skb IS ANYONE HEARD FROM HIM???
November 7th, 2012 at 10:05 am
skb I see JANE was arrested again, any plans on talking to her again? jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Mr.Brown you said you used the bluestar forensics in Haleighs case
Lisa is talking about Luminol and BlueStar Forensics. I actually used BlueStar in the Haleigh Cummings case and will blog on that next week.
Is there anything you can share with us that wont jeapordize Haleighs case to your findings?
jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 10:12 am
I hope you are well Mr.Brown. Hope to see you on soon.jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 10:14 am
another question for you Mr.Brown on these forensic agents. Is it myth or fact it reacts to pond scum?jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Interesting question because if it does cant they trace the certain algae to a certain water source?
Does it react to the iron components in the algae? Or Sea water? I hope this is a clue they worked on? jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
I also remember the St.Johns river is tested periodically for algae growth…I read an article about it and the enviromental group was from Palatka, they test the water because something about the paper plant releasing water used in the plant back into the river..jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Name: Overstreet, Joseph Edward Date of Birth: 08-JUN-89
Disposition: 40-35-313-judgment deferred-no conviction Disposition Date: 12-OCT-12
Case Type: CC Case Number: 2012-B-1514 Citation/Arrest Date: 08-JUN-12 Case Status: CLOSED
Charged Offense: Contr. Del. of Minor Convicted Offense: Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor Convicted Type (F/M): MISD
Concurrent with:Consecutive to:
Appearance Details:
Date: 12-OCT-12 Judge: Wyatt, J. Randall Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 6B
Attorney: Sirgo, Shawn P. Reason:*Discussion
Incarceration:
Location:Davidson County Sheriff’s Facility Years:Months:11Days:29Hours:Percentage:
Suspend All But:SAB%:Day for Day?:NHour for Hour?:NReport Date:
Suspend?:YNo Work Default?:NWork Release?:NWork Release %:No Early Release?:N
Time Served Credit: Months:Days:Hours:
Incarceration Special Condition:truthful testimony in trial of Brandon Fryer
Court Costs:
Court Costs: $628.50Court Fines: $.00Total Owed: $628.50
Fines Special Condition:
Probation:
Type:Supervised Years:2Months:Days:
Probation Special Condition:
Well guess Joe will be testifying in Dec. on this case against Brandon Fryer..hmmm.jmo
November 9th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
I’m sorry to be so delinquent in posting. I did say that I used Blue Star Forensics in this case. BlueStar is similar only better than Luminol. I will as promised, blog about how I used in the Haleigh case and how the PCSO followed up on what I gave them. I’ve just been dealing with some issues over at Shands Gainsville and driving over there and back twice a week is tiring. It’s about 4 hours round trip which doesn’t sound bad, but add to that the whole day is spent there, I’m just really tired when I get back.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I don’t know anything about algae or pond scum, except that most of the people involved in the Haleigh case are…. well, I’d better not say that, but you can fill in the blank.
November 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I feel for ya, I have some weird thing about hospitals, I fall asleep in waiting rooms LOL I dont know what it is but the place makes me extreemly tired…
Will be waiting on your blog about Bluestar..thanx For all you have done and are still doing to solve this case.jmo
November 10th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
That is what I have found so far on these reagents. It has something to do with the iron. I am still researching it and hope to get a better understanding.
Mr.Brown my prayers continue for you. I bet it is very tiring. I am very interested in reading your blog about the Bluestar you used in Haleighs case. I also hope this is a clue they worked on as well. jmo
November 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
SKB, Have you ever heard of this group? http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVidocq_Society&ei=YbufUJ3IIcmr2AW1uYG4CA&usg=AFQjCNFAIw18kMccIbcpSNWT_zj2TjmR9g
I saw the 20/20 show where they solved a cold case that was 10 years old..they are out of PA..jmo
November 12th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
I have heard of them before. I don’t know much about them but apparently they have to be approached by LE. Why don’t you write the PCSO and suggest they approach them on the Haleigh case?
November 13th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Thats a great idea, I guess its worth a try…it would only cost me a stamp so I will do it soon.jmo
November 13th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Sent it off, hope it gets read and not just thrown in the trash.LOL I just have the feeling they could care less. But it was worth a shot anyways. jmo
November 15th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Remains-in-woods-confirmed-to-be-human/-/475880/17417828/-/4jf5f0/-/index.html
wONDER WHO THESE BONES BELONG TOO? JMO
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Kids-find-skull-near-Fleming-Island-strip-mall/-/475880/17465110/-/pjs3upz/-/index.html
Another set of skeletal remains found…seems to be a lot of this hapening right now…this one kinda sounds like Caylee..the area was under water until recently..I hope they find out who this is and the family is notified..jmo
November 20th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Remains-in-woods-identified-as-missing-woman-s/-/475880/17488524/-/1369upez/-/index.html
November 21st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.jmo
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:01 am
Happy Turkey day LOL Dont eat too much…give Thanks for all the good and forget the bad today..
enjoy your progress and family SKB..Happy Thanksgiving to all.
November 24th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
SKB, Hope you had a good Thanks Giving and that you have time to post info on the case soon.
Seems like LE has just stopped caring about this case…I doubt they will even read my request for the group to look into her case…or they will just ignore it..Haleighs case in my opinion was set into cold storage after the drug case put them in prison. jmo
November 25th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
They will never admit to it being cold though. Once it is declared a cold case then the sunshine law takes effect and media can request what was in Haleigh’s file.
November 26th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Unless there are charges filed against someone the Sunshine laws do not allow a case to be opened..so making it a cold case does not allow the media access. jmo
November 28th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Well this coming Saturday will be December 1,2012. Another year almost gone and NO Haleigh. Everyday, I pray for that miracle that Haleigh will be found. Justice can finally be delivered for her. Christmas is the special season for miracles. Just maybe this year this miracle will happen. I will keep praying for Haleigh. I will continue to stand for haleigh. Let her be found Lord. jmo
Mr.Brown I hope you are doing well. looking forward to the info we dont know yet. jmo
November 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I agree its way past time for the truth…wished it would all come out…cant wait to read what you have SKB I am sure we will be surprised at what we dont know that was going on behind the scenes. jmo
Oh and I have never heard a peep out of PCSD about that info that I sent them guess they dont want anyone coming into their open investigation? At least what they claim is an open and ongoing investigation. jmo
December 5th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Hope all is well with you havent heard anything for a while?????
December 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Just checking in to see if anything new has been put up. Happy Holidays to everyone. It is a busy time of year.
Hope all is well with everyone.jmo
December 9th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Thanks for checking in LFJ and Tobias. I’ve been a bit under the weather these last two weeks. My immune system is down and something got to me. But I’m better today. Now if my eyesight would clear up and I could see the computer screen maybe I’d this thing posted that I’ve promised. I think I know how to wrap this case up but it involves some travel and some prison visits and my immune system isn’t up that yet. It’s going to be a while.
December 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Glad to hear from you Mr. Brown. Sorry to hear your under the weather. I hope your eye clear up soon too. I will be very glad to see this case wrapped up and understand it can take a little while longer for you to continue to investigate. Jane is back in jail in case you have not heard yet. Tobias has the info of her new encounters. Who knows she may get sent up this time.If they do I hope she ends up over there with Misty and Hope. Can you imagine???
I am eager to read the new blog but I do undertand.
God Speed. jmo
December 11th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I am still keeping up with the happenings in the area…seems there is alot of killings going on that just dont get too much coverage..sad. Some may never get solved due to the lack of public support for the law..jmo
December 18th, 2012 at 11:03 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw8W6hYGZ0E
this song now , makes me think of the childrens lives evil stole from them.
I am not sure if this will be a double post. My computer glitched. Sorry if so.
My heart is broken as I am sure all of yours are. God speed.
There has to be severe changes to help protect our children.jmo
Haleigh Cummings
Caylee Anthony
Jessica Ridgeway
Nevaeh Buchannan
Zahra Baker
Shelby cox
The 20 babies in Connecticut
Jessica Lunsford
Polly Klaas
Laura Miller
and too many more…….
all imo
December 26th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I hope everyone had a very merry christmas.
My prayer was for those less fortunate and the ones that have lost their loved ones in Connecticut and the missing. It has to be a hard time for them all that loved their family members so much.
It is getting closer to Haleighs memorial. Four years gone and nothing!!! I continue to pray for that due season when God exposes the truth of what happened to haleigh. jmo
Mr.Brown hope you and your family had a great holiday. I hope you are feeling better. Anxious to hear from you soon on this case.jmo
December 26th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Thanks LFJ
December 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Just checking in to see how everyone is doing after Christmas and was hoping to see a new blog about Haleigh? Well I will be checking in again soon…stay well and enjoy the Holidays everyone..Tobias…jmo
December 27th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Hope everyone had a great Christmas. Hope you feel better soon Steve. I was hoping to see a change in Haleigh’s case. I’ll check in later. Have a Happy and Healthy New Year, Y’all.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Well, they told me it would take a year to recover from the BMT. Now they’re starting to send me these huge bills I wasn’t expecting. I thought I was a tough guy and would be ready to rock and roll again after 6 months but I guess not. Still no immune system so I can’t get out much. I think next June they start giving me my “kiddie” shots again, polio, diphtheria etc. since they were all wiped out last June. Well, it is what it is. I do have a few surprises coming up here on the blog in a couple of weeks. Sorry it’s taking me so long, but these meds mess with my eyes and it’s hard to see the computer screen. Glasses don’t help.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Good to hear from you Mr. Brown. sorry those meds mess with your eyes. I still pray for you and your family daily.
Definitely looking forward to suprises you have for us here on this blog. The year will be gone before you know it. Hang in there.
all imo
Thinking about the gun laws. I am all for the right to bare arms and being able to protect ourselves and our families. I just dont think we need semi-automatics to do so. I thought the idea of the NRA to put armed guards in our schools across the nation is a good idea. I am against the public having access to the automatic weapons and the large magazines. I think it is important to to keep these type of weapons out of the hands of the inexperienced and criminals. These kind of weapons are meant for mass destruction. We saw what it was capable of in the hands of a bad guy. 26 dead in all of a matter of 8 minutes. How many good guys will we need in our schools with this kind of attack? This will be a controversial debate among the lawmakers and the NRA. I just hope they can come to a reasonable compromise. jmo
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/28/16211363-gunman-dead-after-shooting-3-cops-at-nj-police-station?lite=
jmo
December 28th, 2012 at 10:49 am
I completely understand the unexpected bills…I wont even get started on that because I am still red hot mad about my daughters surgery and anesthetic bills..I do have a question though about something that was said about Tommy being fearful when you were going to visit him..I wonder why he is fearful? And Lisa just recently posted that Misty was having a hard time…did she have a hearing? I know her parents were trying to raise money for a lawyer but I just dont see what grounds they could use to get her out.. jmo
December 28th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I believe the real issue is mental disease…just look at the news recently..some of these people need to be off the street permenantly…jmo
December 28th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I agree we have to look at mental illness and drug addictions as part of the problem. I just think semi automatics and high count magazines should be omly for those with experience and not with mental illness. I dont know all the classifications that deed someone to be diagnosed as to having a mental illness. Right now road rage could spark bullets to fly.
Here in a suburb of Daytona Beach, fl a man shot his roomate over the way his pork chop was cooked. Granted alcohol may have been a factor but neighbors reported that this man argued with many that came in and out of his home. They actually said they were not suprised that he was shot and killed.
http://topasianews.wordpress.com/tag/roommate-killed-over-pork-chop/
all imo
January 4th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Just checking in to see if everyone made it through the Holidays…cant wait to see the new post even if its an old interview….Jane, Chelsea or whoever
it is interesting reading some of it because inside every lie is a little of the truth..I believe Chelsea knows more about what happened that night like alot of others…but I doubt they will ever come clean…God knows the truth and evidently these people just dont fear Gods final judgement..so sad. jmo
January 5th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Just checking in .
I cant wait to see the new blog either.
It is in my opinion that CC knows more about that night as well. Apparently they dont fear God right now but they will. God sees all even in the darkest places. You cant hide from God. You may try and fool the world through lies but what they can NEVER do is fool God. jmo
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Just checking in to see if you have written anything ..guess you are still working on getting better..Hope you are well and staying away from that nasty flu going around.jmo
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
hey everyone. I am just checking in. I guess nothing yet. will check in later. Hope everyone is well and doing fine.jmo
January 17th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
SKB have you read any of Rons deposition for his lawsuit against PDM? Its a very interesting read. jmo
January 18th, 2013 at 11:35 am
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/142007297/Ronald-Cummings-Deposition-Dec-2012
He can’t remember where he lived w/ his grandmother? He can’t remember how much rent he paid for the trailer? He divorced Misty because she was a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance but married her when she was a suspect in Haleigh’s disappearance? He doesn’t remember if TN helped w/ expenses during the 19 mos he was unemployed prior to getting hired @ PDM?
What exactly is his disability (aside from, imo, a conveniently poor memory)?
January 18th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
AIR, Cummings told Nancy Grace and the Today Show that he passed his poly “with flying colors” but while under oath, in the above deposition, he states he wasn’t given the results. During the course of almost 4 years I have read time and time again from those that defend him, that he passed his poly. Where did that information come from?
He doesn’t know how long he was married? He didn’t know where he worked prior to PDM without looking at his application?CHT
January 18th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
FWIW, CHT were those moving letters that I typed in the wrong place. Just sayin…
January 19th, 2013 at 9:39 am
ITA..What other info is a lie? Who picked up Haleigh, was he at work, was he at the store buying beer and nuts right after work,were the kids even home or were they in the car in the parking lot…
LE knows what is true and what isnt but they have taken their stand on keeping it close to the vest..LOL another words they are not going to let anyone see what they have or dont have..and so Haleighs case just sits covered in dust while the ones who were supposed to be her care takers sit in prison ( thank goodness for even that) jmo
January 19th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Even tho his motive for the lawsuit is purely selfish (imagine that) I’m glad he filed and was deposed because now he is locked into those answers. Bring on the lawsuits! Maybe eventually something will come out that will give LE what they need to bring charges…assuming they are paying attention and are still interested in this case.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Wow almost 4 years and nothing from the ones who were taking care of this little girl…sad really because I believe they know exactly what happened and where she is…they were too busy hiding their drug habits etc. jmo
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Just finished reading Ronald’s deposition and something that stood out to me was on page 44, items 7 and 20. Someone at PDM reported a car coming into the parking lot, a little boy exits the car and gets into the car with Grandmother and Ronald. Ronald says he doesn’t give a F that he will do it again if he doesn’t have someone to watch him.
My interpretation: Jr. was in the car in the parking lot. Why was Ron with his mother/or grandmother and where the heck was Haleigh? This was December 2008. Someone reported it to PDM.
Any thoughts anyone?
January 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 am
Haleigh could have been in school because it was said Ron was on day shift up until about 3 weeks before Haleigh went missing….this comment by Ron sounds just like him…and if he was going to get written up, he was in violation for something other then just having someone drop off his son…in my opinion he left Junior in the car until Granny showed up to get him…jmo
January 23rd, 2013 at 10:36 am
There were ‘rumors’ that RC kept the kids in the car in the parking lot at PDM while he worked. I think the ‘rumors’ were probably true or the atty for PDM wouldn’t have put it on record. I have no idea where Haleigh was but the thought that he would leave a 3 yr old, alone in the car, in the cold is sickening. His response to Terry Meehen reminded me of the 911 call when he said he didn’t care if he went to jail, he would shoot whoever took Haleigh as they sat in the back of the police car.
A lot of things in that deposition were interesting, imo. Starting on p.40 he implies that he was forced to sell drugs because he couldn’t get a job. It’s always someone else’s fault. Yet, aside from Geraldo, he couldn’t come up w/ one member of the media that accused him of selling/doing drugs. The truth is, the media WASN’T hard on him at all…they focused on Misty because LE said she was “the key.”
Margulies also got on record the allegations that some of his coworkers knew he was abusing drugs and alcohol and sold drugs while he worked at PDM AND that he was doctor shopping for Percocet. I think it’s safe to assume that there is evidence to back up the things that were brought up in the deposition.
January 23rd, 2013 at 1:54 pm
He also knows he is under oath so he says he doesnt recall this incident..he does not say it never happened…Ron is smart not to put himself in a corner…clearly this incident did happen…jmo
January 23rd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
I had a neighbor on Green Lane tell me that he left the kids alone in the trailer on many, many occasions. Nothing about his behavior would surprise me.
January 24th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I gave a theory very early in this case that I thought that Ronald had locked the children in the mobile home prior to going to work. He was so adamant about personally making sure that the door was locked before he went to work. Obviously you have to think, Why in hell would he lock the door if he had a babysitter with the children?? I think that Teresa Neves or Hope was suppose to come over later to babysit and the children were left alone. Maybe Teresa wanted to be elsewhere and that is why she was trying to find Misty. Maybe the children were medicated to sleep until someone could show up. Ie., Zanny the Nanny all over again. Result: Haleigh died of an overdose.
January 24th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
I agree Rons behavior is very suspect…but then so is just about everyones in this case..so many lies. jmo
January 25th, 2013 at 11:14 am
I agree, there have been so many lies, some of which may not even be Haleigh related but were told to cover up other criminal activities they were involved in. Imo, both Cummings’ family and the Croslins were up to their eyeballs in shady/criminal stuff…clearly a lifestyle.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
People down there know alot, the problem is I believe they are afraid of this family..its very extended…so many have said LE had to use a dry erase board just to keep this family tree straight…and in this economy who can talk and just move away? Not many…jmo
January 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
I understand that and lol @ the dry board. It’s easy to say that someone should’ve reported him for leaving his children alone, for example, but not so easy when you have to deal w/ the repercussions.
January 28th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Here’s a link to the PDM docs.
http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/show.php?i=2178646&cat=2&fclick=y
Starting on p45 of Exhibit C, TEM says that LE was investigating the retaliation theory because RC had “turned states evidence and testified against certain individuals.” Another ‘rumor’ that wasn’t really a rumor.
There are documents for the appeal @ the same link. I didn’t know that part of the appeal was for ineffective counsel.
January 28th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
In my opinion Ron never intended on going back to work or he would have called or went in to sign a FMLA paper…Ron decided to sue once he got a lawyer telling him he had grounds for it…and if he wins this case he will go after Geraldo and any other media that claimed he was involved with drugs prior to his termination at PDM…I really dont see how he can win this case but you never know..jmo
January 29th, 2013 at 10:04 am
I don’t see how he can win either. He did abandon his job. He didn’t keep in touch w/ them. He had the handbook and knew the procedure but didn’t do his part. He claims that “Doreen” told him about the media reports but there was no one working there named Doreen. PDM claims that drugs weren’t the issue. They did a background check, were aware of prior drug cases but hired him anyway. I don’t see how he can prove that he was discriminated against when he didn’t bother to do what is required of all their employees, but who knows.
I wish he would sue Geraldo. I’d like to hear more about what RC allegedly told Marcus, about the bricks of marijuana and anything else Geraldo was told while he was there…but I doubt that will ever happen.
January 29th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
TN AND AS ARE HOLDING ANOTHER VIGIL ON THE 10 AT AS HOME…JAMIE W. WILL BE LEADING IT AGAIN..Just thought I would post this info for everyone..no opinion…just wish there would be a lead or something because this has dragged on way too long..jmo
January 30th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Glad to see you Grace, mr. Brown and Lone.
We all have known for a long time that there is something wrong with Rons work hours for that day. The PDM employee in the rumor mill on papas web page clearly says that the shift did not begin that day until 4:30pm and there were no overtime hours for Ron. From Feb 2009 until Sept 4th 2009 his work hours were said to be 4pm til 3am . Then Terry came out with 5Pm til 3am on the 4th of September 2009. PDMs own web page back when Haleigh disappeared gave 3:30pm til 2am based on a 45 work week with Fridays being 3:30pm til 8:30pm, but according to the PDM employee work was slow, therefore the work hours were more than likely shortened.
Chelsea said that Ron was always gone by 3pm to go to work and home by midnight. The day Haleigh disappeared was the only time she ever heard of him working til 3am.
No way in the afternoon hours did Ron make it to work in 19 minutes. Mapping says it takes 29 minutes without traffic. Yet he was clearly off the clock by 2am yet it took him an hour and 24 minutes to get home from work with barely any traffic. Ron may have even left earlier. That firecracker was a dud!! jmo
Thanks Mr.Brown with the info confirming that Ron left the children in the home alone many times. Now we know this is more than likely not a rumor.
Thats right Grace!! Noone by the name of Doreen that worked for PDM in Palatka or any of its branches. jmo
glad to see you all
January 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am
just checked again on travel time for Ron going to and from work.
I thought it was 29 minutes. That may have been the lady that traveled from Rons to PDM through the traffic to get a better time on how long it took him. I dont recall her name right now. She is also the one that took all the pics around Satsuma.jmo
Mapquest 27 mintes.
Google maps 26 minutes.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:58 am
It would be nice to know what Hope was doing that day and evening. I still believe that there was another person in the background and who spoke to the 911 operator. I’ve listened to that recording so many times I can just about recite it. The voice sounds like Hope or Teresa to me. When asked the name, this person started saying Neves and then changed it.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am
Hey lfj, good to see you too! Yep, the work hours, who picked her up at the bus stop and which time clock was in place on 2-9-09 are all questions that aren’t clear, imo.
It’s interesting that no one brought up the alleged phone calls to PDM from those out to crucify poor Ronald. If it happened at all, it didn’t have much of an impact or his atty would’ve mentioned it. So much misinformation was thrown out there and altho many of us saw right thru it, many others bought it and repeated it as gospel. I listened to an old NG interview the other day where she said he passed his poly. How does she know that?
This is why I’m glad he made the decision to sue. There are still a lot of questions to be answered but it does confirm a few things…like the poly, leaving his kids alone and the snitch allegations.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am
I’d also like to know where Hope, TN and AS were that day/evening. TN’s version of events were never believable, imo. Ditto for AS. It’s been awhile since I listened to the 911 call and meant to go find it but I haven’t got around to it yet.
January 31st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
I have wondered about Hope also. I have heard the voice also and to me it sounds like Hope or his sister. IDK but it dont sound like Misty to me.
I would like to know where all of Rons family were that night.
yes we have some info that has been out a while that we can now confirm.
We now know Ron was told nothing about his poly and he lied straight out and Misty followed his lead. Misty first said she was told not to talk about it but within a few sentences she followed Rons lead and claimed she was told she passed in the greta Interview.
I hope Ron gets real sue happy so we can find out even more of his lies.
IMO now we see a little more into why LE started bringing up Ronald as not being forthcoming with them on the day Haleigh disappeared. IMO LE has gotten some credible info that they have now added they want to hear from Ron also. I just wish they would share more with us.
It just goes to show Ron will snitch and do what he needs to do to try and keep his butt out of the clink. It did not go so well for him this last time. jmo
It is still imo that Misty wanting her grandmother to call AS and tell her what was going on prior to the Shell Harbour search was strange and it was also communication to ronald and his family. AS told how it led she and Teresa out to search that area all afternoon prior to the actual police search. jmo
February 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Yes..AS did say she and TN went to the Shell harbor search site before LE and she had no intention on telling it..Granny Hollars made her because she was putting AS on notice she was going to tell it…
now why would they go down there? They had to believe Haleigh was dead..and what were they looking for? Before LE arrived? jmo
February 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
skb now that Joes driving partner is in Florida do you plan on talking with her? Just curious because she seems like she moved there because she is afraid of the ones in Tenn. jmo
February 2nd, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Bolo on Haleigh.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/FDLEpage?fref=ts
Steve, E-mail me; I have some info for you.
February 6th, 2013 at 9:39 am
I would like to know what took them there. It is clear they did not take dive suits! The claim was that Joe threw haleigh in the river. What were they searching for on land???? They found nothing AS said. Makes you wonder. They have been caught lying in this case. This time would not be any different.
All imo.
February 7th, 2013 at 9:49 am
http://trc.taboola.com/gannett-fcn/log/3/click?pi=%2Fvey8ii&ri=56d211efe53027f8bf2353070190e285&sd=v1_7326b02840605486d066c8b906a5d69e_96898a5a-8341-4963-be73-033a04427afb_1360247651_1360247986&it=video&ii=-6325703143716043135&pt=text&li=rbox-t2v&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firstcoastnews.com%2Fvideo%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fbctid%3D2147296687001%26odyssey%3Dmod%7Ctvideo%7Carticle&r=33
hARDY SAYS THOSE IN PRISON KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND EVEN INCLUDES rON…FINALLY le HAS UPPED THE ANTE. JMO
February 7th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
AS is on First Coast News asking why Jeff Hardy hasnt found Haleigh phhhttt. Maybe she needs to ask her Grandson what happened that day and the days leading up to it…I believe thats one source for her answers another is Misty.. jmo
February 7th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
CONGRATS ON THE NEW BOOK…
February 8th, 2013 at 11:25 am
On 2-6-2013 Hermitage B Flex and HCSU conducted a narcotics search
warrant at 170 Village Green Drive. The defendant has a room to the
residence. He has serveral items of clothing inside the room that belong to
him. During the search of the residence approximately 25 grams of
marijuana was located in one of the bedrooms inside of a luggage bag. The
bedroom that the marijuana was located in is the defendant’s bedroom.
There were articles of the defendant’s clothing inside the closet to the room
that belonged to the defendant. Located in the closet to the defendant’s
room was a kel-tec automatic rifle and a raven arms .25 cal handgun.
There were also numerous bullets to each gun inside the room. The located
on the night stand in the defendant’s bedroom was a digital scale, marijuana
pipe, rolling papers and 2 marijuana grinders.
ESignature
________________________________________
Prosecutor: Joshua M Spurlock 0000011579
5518 Vaught
Joe was just busted AGAIN..LOL JMO
February 8th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
maybe a duplicate post
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=2147296687001&odyssey=mod|tvideo|article
February 8th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
duplicates caught in limbo
. Tobias posted this in our forum . Thanks Tobias. The video is also in limbo
Remembering Haleigh.
Posted: Feb 7 2013, 09:02 AM
PUTNAM COUNTY, Fla. — Haleigh Cummings’ great-grandmother has a room dedicated to the missing girl.
“She never leaves my mind,” said Annette Sykes as she pointed to Christmas presents she still buys for Haleigh, hoping to give them to her one day.
“It’s been four years since she’s been gone,” Sykes cried.
When then-five-year-old Haleigh disappeared from her Putnam County home in Satsuma in the middle of the night in February 2009, Sheriff Jeff Hardy had just been elected.
“It was my first month in office,” he recalled. “I didn’t even have business cards, and I had all the national media descend upon Putnam County.”
Now, Sykes is challenging Hardy to do more to help find Haleigh.
“I want to know if he didn’t find her in those first four years, I challenge him to find her now,” Sykes said. “He’s got four more years. Is it going to take four years to find out something?”
“The actual challenge is not with the next four years. The actual challenge of finding Haleigh began my 34th day in office, 4 years ago. So I can appreciate the challenge, but the challenge has been there every day,” Hardy said.
Sykes said the challenge is not politically motivated.
There are no term limits for the office of Sheriff in Putnam County.
In the last four years, Haleigh’s father Ronald Cummings and Haleigh’s babysitter, Misty Croslin (who is also Ronald Cummings’ former wife), have been arrested and they are now serving prison sentences for drug offenses.
Shortly after her sentencing, Croslin told First Coast News in a jailhouse interview, “I don’t know nothing” about what happened to Haleigh.
Hardy said Haleigh’s case is still an active investigation, but people involved have to come forward.
“There are people who know what happened out there,” Hardy said, “and unfortunately, they’re not talking. I would’ve thought by now some of the situations and some of the places where the individuals are at now — like state prison — would be some incentive for them to talk. But they haven’t reached out to me. Let’s put it this way.”
First Coast News’ Jessica Clark asked him if he was referring to Haleigh’s father and her babysitter, and Hardy responded, “Certainly. Certainly.”
It’s all frustrating for Sykes, who said she’s even questioned Misty Croslin during a prison visit.
With tears in her eyes, Sykes said, “I just want to rip somebody’s head off to tell me something, but there’s nothing I can do, legally.”
So she keeps Haleigh’s toys, presents and figurines around her, and she leaves the banner of Haleigh on her fence, hoping that four years later, no one forgets.
First Coast News
February 8th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
posts in spam. Hopefully they will appear soon.
Hardy tells us who he wants too hear from. CERTAINLY CERTAINLY.JMO
February 8th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/rss/article/296354/69/Relative-of-Haleigh-Cummings-challenges-sheriff-to-find-her
here is the actual link to the posts in spam.jmo
thanks tobias jmo
February 8th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
http://jacksonville.com/news/timelines/haleigh-cummings
jmo
February 8th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
http://www.news4jax.com/news/4-years-since-Haleigh-Cummings-disappeared/-/475880/18463028/-/143qaa4/-/index.html
jmo
February 8th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
You are welcome…Joe has been arrested again on pot and weapons charges…looks like he is going down this time..jmo
February 9th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Hardy’s answer to Sykes’ “challenge”…Ronald and Misty KNOW what happened but aren’t talking. That begs the question, why aren’t they talking? Imo, the reason is they have something to hide. Something that is worse than the 15/25 yrs they were given by the state.
February 9th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Interesting that AS went to visit Misty in prison..Misty would have to accept this visit…its not like she would be forced to talk with AS…wonder if AS went to tell her how Ron is doing??? Like right after the media said Ron was out when he was in court in Brevard county…
And who exactly does AS think she should rip the head off? jmo
February 9th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
In my state you have to be on an approved visitors list to visit someone in state prison..not sure if that’s how it’s done in FL.
Imo, AS was trying to imply that Misty knows something and the “rip the head off” comment was directed at her. Violent bunch, they are.
I was so glad to hear Hardy include her golden boy, Ronald as someone that KNOWS what happened but refuses to talk. What he said can’t be twisted to mean anyone but Ronald and Misty.
February 9th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
I agree. She is blaming the wrong people for not finding Haleigh….hard to accept her Grandsons life style was what got this child in trouble…jmo
February 9th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Interesting someone in Ohio sent a lead in and it was proven false…LE said they went to the school and the girls home and checked the birth certificate..bet that was scary for the girl and her mother. jmo
February 9th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Grace,
I think you’re right on. 25 years is better than death row. I had a conversation with a member of the family the other day that insists that Haleigh is alive. I know a lot of time and money has been spent on looking for a “live” Haleigh. Sorry to break the news to those that believe that on the anniversary of her disappearance, but she’s not alive, and as Sheriff Hardy has said, there are some in prison who know exactly what happened that night.
February 9th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Hello Mr.Brown. Good to see you.I hope you are doing well and getting stronger everyday.
Grace I agree with you. Noone can confuse what Hardy said this time. I also agree that is why R and M are not talking. Granted they may not have personally did it but something they did to cause it is still felony murder. Misty would never get the death penalty due to the fact she was only 17 at the time Haleigh disappeared. Misty said they could not keep her forever, well if the truth comes out and she is involved they will have her for the rest of her life. Anyone else involved as well.
I also believe you have to be on a list in the prison system here in FL. as well to visit the prisoner in question. I am suprised Misty would even have AS on her list of visitors. It is really hard for me to believe that AS went there to question Misty on Haleigh when she had complete access to her for almost a year after Haleigh disappeared.
If she wanted to rip someones head off she would have laid into misty when her stories continuosly changed at the very beginning of haleighs case.
They are still communicating something. It is better to go see her in person since it is face to face and more private than writing it in a letter that could be inspected by LE In my opinion.Lets not forget AS warned Ron there are snitches in jail. That recording got released to the public. I am very leary of any communication between Rons family and Misty personally. Reminds me of when Misty had her granny Flo contact AS before the Shell harbour search as I mentioned above.jmo
God Bless Haleigh. Let her be found.
jmo jmo
I am still praying for that miracle of Haleigh being found.
February 10th, 2013 at 10:05 am
SKB I have always thought there were others not in prison that also know what happened…they may not have been there when it happened but they know some of the truth..sad that no one will give Haleigh the respect of the TRUTH…JMO
February 10th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Amen Tobias! I also believe the same. jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 10:28 am
SKB I wondered if you knew why Joe has a room at this other guys appartment? I was under the impression he live with his parents in Antioch…the way his arrest document read he was using this room part time since there was a suitcase and just a few clothes in the closet…and who is keithopher Lane???? hmmm. jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 10:40 am
This morning on the news it said there was a new clue and Croslin is not telling the truth. I saw this on CFnews 13 out of Orlando.
here are some other links reported. jmo
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/2/9/missing_4_years_age_.html
http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/Haleigh-Cummings-remembered-4-years-after-disappearance/-/11788162/18483582/-/format/rsss_2.0/-/14yg5ai/-/index.html
February 10th, 2013 at 11:04 am
good questions Tobias.jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 11:40 am
in the one article it states that investigators believe she, Haleigh , may still be in the area. since they believe this is a homicide it is my guest they may be speaking of her remains. It does have me wondering now if they believe she was never thrown in the river as implicated.
I have thought about what the new clue could be. We know Misty was adamant she was at the mh all night with just the kids. It could be LE now know she was not.jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 11:45 am
this is just me. If this were my child or grand child I believe I would have challenged the Sheriff well before the four year mark. jmo jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 11:51 am
I found out who he is..all I can say is why is this guy hanging with Joe???????? jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
LFJ, ITA and heads would have come off that first day….no way I would be playing it cool with anyone..no one would be safe or believed…but then my kids are priority one..jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Amen! Tobias. same here.jmo jmo jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Plus you have the remark by AS about Misty leaving Ron without a sitter and her being angry that Ron allowed Misty back at the home on the day haleigh disappeared. Yet, from the beginning she praised Misty . talked about how Misty was mature as some 30 year olds she knew. LOL!! her grandson probably came to mind on this thought, haaaa haaa . Then how Misty had haleigh all dressed like a beauty queen when she went off to school. These stories AS tells contradict each other as with her visit on the night Haleigh disappeared. Which time or account are we to believe if any of them? jmo jmo jmo
TN came out first and said she ,herself ,had a relative go by the mh to check on things. Perhaps TN sent someone else and that relative contacted AS when they found something wrong upon the arrival.
AS said ” I was there in 10 minutes after WE noticed her missing.” This statement is odd to me. jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
compliments of websleuths.
This has the exact quote that AS gave, that I referenced above.
This poster also saw or read info that AS knew jrs story first. I saw that on the ground interview with AS as I said before then it went poof.This was before CS ever came out with the info herself.fact
this is a post by a websleuther:
What I got from The article written on First Coast News 2/24/09-updated 2/25/09 GGMS knew about the man in black first, CS didn’t find out until two weeks after Haleigh went missing.
1. “He was asleep. I got there 10 minutes after we noticed she was gone. I had Junior, he said he didn’t know anything…said he was asleep,” Haleigh’s great grandmother, Annette Sykes, told First Coast News on Monday.” Monday, 2/23/09
Sykes stating she was there 10 minutes after WE noticed she was gone. According to the Incident Report 1325 by Officer Nelson he responded to the 911 phone call (logged in at 3:27 A.M.) using red light and siren and got there at 3:40 A.M. That’s 13 minutes. Sykes got there in 10 and she lives in Waleka. Add to that her age, she was likely asleep in bed, awakened by phone, had to get out of bed, get dressed and walk to her car.
2. Detectives have talked to the child. Relatives on both sides say he told police he saw a man in a ski mask come in their trailer and leave with his big sister.
So, according to Sykes she talked to Junior about what he saw and he didn’t know anything…he was asleep. Yet the very next paragraph says relatives on both sides saw a man in a ski mask.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html
I need to find the transcript of TN telling NG that Jr told LE this story on the very morning Haleigh disappeared.
so why would Ronald and his family say Jr was coached to tell this story?
http://www.examiner.com/article/allegations-haleigh-s-brother-coached-to-say-man-black-took-his-sister
all imo
February 10th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
ANNETTE SYKES, HALEIGH`S GREAT-GRANDMOTHER: … Ms. Hollars called me and told me — she certainly did — that she had called down here and told them what Tommy had told her. And Teresa and I went and — over to that area and walked around all afternoon and looked in the woods over there. But of course, we didn`t find anything.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/22/ng.01.html
jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
I’m not really keeping up with Joe. You guys are better at that then I am.
February 10th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I think there is confusion about when the Sykes/Teresa walked occurred. Nobody knew about Shell Harbor, not Flo, not the PCSO, not the FDLE, nobody knew about that until late in the evening when Tommy came out with that info. Now Flo could have called them the next day, after the search had already began, when she heard it on the news. Misty did not call her that evening and even if she had she would not have known anything about Shell Harbor. The Shell Harbor info came out in a room at the FDLE offices. Those in attendance were SKB, Jim Werter, Tommy Croslin, an FBI agent, an FDLE agent, a rep from the state’s attorney’s office. After Tommy told us about Shell Harbor we all drove out there together so Tommy could show us exactly where everything out there happened. Then he was returned to jail in St. Johns County. By this time it would have been after 10 pm. It has been reported that Annette and Teresa got there before the PCSO. Not possible.
February 10th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Mr.Brown according to the NG show Flo called AS either that sunday night after talking to Misty and Tommy or that Monday morning after talking to Misty.
According to AS herself after this call from Flo she and TN went and searched that area. These were their statements.
If I can find the video of NG and the grandma wars I will post it.
If LE had already searched the area why would they expect to find anything?Why would they need to search it at all? jmo jmo
This was their own search per AS.
February 10th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
I’m not saying they didn’t go out there. I was pointing out that they did not get there before LE had already setup their search area. I know LE searched the woods, and of course the river. Many have said they got their before LE. Not possible. It was on April 12, 2010 that Tommy confessed (sort of) to Werter and myself. Even then he didn’t admit to the Shell Harbor disposal ground until that evening. That was a monday and the shell harbor search began early Tuesday morning.She could have talked to Misty that Monday morning, but I’m telling you, neither Misty nor Flo would not have known about the Shell Harbor search until it hit the news on Tuesday. I just went back and listened to a recorded statement that Werter and I took from Tommy at 9:45 am on Monday April 12, 2010.
February 10th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
I understand what you are saying Mr.Brown. Noone knew there was going to be a search by LE on Tuesday the 12th, of april 2010. I am thinking this was a search that AS and TN did on their own on that Monday afternoon after Flos call and prior to LE even orchestrating the search of Shell Harbour. AS tells us that Flo told her she called LE with info that Tommy and Misty gave her. AS knew by this statement that Flo had called LE already.
here is a link with all the exact quotes from that show. I am still looking for the actual videos.
AS is quoted saying after Flo called her that is when she and TN went to the area. AS also went down to shell harbour on the morning of the search. I am not trying to be difficult here . It is in my opinion that it was not impossible for them to go search the area on Monday afternoon before LE decided to do the search on tuesday morning at 10am. If you take AS at her statements this is what AS said she and TN did.
http://papascorner.weebly.com/great-grandmother-annette-sykes-deceptive-acts-and-statements.html
JAYNE WEINTRAUB, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Have you ever spoken with Misty prior to this about any details like the yellow rope? Did she ever mention anything?
HOLLARS: She didn`t say anything about that until the Monday after Tommy had told me on Sunday about the — Joe being the one that did it. And that following Monday is when Misty told me that they tied her with a yellow rope and tied the blocks around it and dropped her into the St. John`s River.
~snipped~
(On April 20, 2010, Flora Hollars said both Tommy and Misty called on the same day, 15 minutes apart. She went on to say that “they” had phone problems and she talked to Misty again on Monday.)
http://crimeseekers.net/forums/showthread.php?7383-Haleigh-Cummings-Flora-Hollars-Weighs-In-On-Her-Grandchildren-on-JVM
Flo told us on national television it was Misty who asked her to call annette .jmo
Mr.Brown if you can recall. When did LE set up the area of Shell Harbour closed to any public. This is when we at BNN knew something was going to happen on the 13th of April 2010.
indochai said,in April 12th, 2010 at 9:05 pm My father just solved the case and the location of the body. It will probably be on the news tomorrow.
jmo
February 10th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
link to the rumor mill thread.
interesting to what we have heard come from the PDM law suit.jmo
http://papascorner.weebly.com/rumor-mill.html
February 10th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
I’m telling you that nobody knew about the Shell Harbor search, or that it was going to begin on tuesday, April 13, except for LE, Werter, Tommy and myself. Even Indochai did not know where. You can’t believe what Flo says when she tries to be specific. I liked Flo. I spent many hours with her and have several recorded statements from her, and one with her and Lisa Croslin together when they were staying at a motel in Palatka.
But when it comes to details, well, with Flo, bless her heart, what’s a day or two one way or the other. I’m sure Flo called AS and Teresa and told them that Tommy had told Flo that Joe Overstreet was responsible. I think I posted that phone conversation between Tommy and Flo. If not, I can post it. But no where in that conversation does Tommy mention Shell Harbor. The location of Shell Harbor didn’t come out until later Monday evening. And according to what Flo says above, it was a full week before she was told by Misty about the cinder blocks and yellow rope. Unfortunately there are some missing details about the events of the night that Haleigh disappeared. Hopefully, once my immune system is back I can find answers. I’m pretty sure I know who killed Haleigh, but I’m not putting it out there until I have proof. I know how to get the proof but I just can’t go and expose myself because of my lack of immune system. Sometime this summer, probably.
February 11th, 2013 at 9:45 am
The first time we heard about Shell Harbor was when Ron told Cobra (ON TAPE) that Tommy told Ron about Joe and Tommys fishing down there and seeing all the gators..Ron clearly points to Joe…so the story Tommy told was HATCHED long before he told it in jail….right along with the Mexicans etc.
Tommy also was talking in jail about all the theories they had sitting talking oon their porch..this was one of them…Lindsy started the convo by making fun of Mistys ever changing stories. jmo
February 11th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Tobias, you’re absolutely right. There are a couple of things that bother me. The Tommy and Joe, or the Tommy and Ron story of throwing the deer carcass in off the Shell Harbor dock and all the gators coming around. Now if this happened while Joe was there, then the water temperature would have been about the same the night Haleigh disappeared. But there is a whole school of thought that the water was too cold for gators to be eating. Yet, when they did the search, the PCSO found a deer carcass off the end of the dock. Which leads me to believe the story is true. And I think it was Joe who said this would be a great place to dispose of a body. So Shell Harbor was certainly in the mix long before they were arrested. The point I was trying to make is that neither Grand Ma Flo, nor Misty, nor AS, nor Teresa could have known that Shell Harbor was going to be searched early Tuesday am, until the search began. Unless someone from PCSO called them on Monday night and told them. That’s a possibility, and if it happened they would not admit to it and expose their friends at the PCSO.
It’s not a big deal. It’s just if they got there before the PCSO did, I’d like to know how and when. I’ve got a post on the alligators and Haleigh that I’ve hesitated to put it up because it sort’s of gruesome and I didn’t want to upset the family. But I guess I’ll post it tonight, probably in two or three parts. It does show how the PCSO does follow up on leads that I give them. Have to give them credit for that.
February 11th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Since the story was told by Ron its more than likely not completely true..You are correct that the gators would not be out when Joe was there..Ron knows it too..Ron was trying to get Cobra to go after Joe. That is why Cobra told Ron he knew about Gators….he knew it was a lie…It was said Ron used to tell Amber that Dunns bridge would be a good place to get rid of a body..or at least that is what we were told he said by AH..Then Ron says it was Joe saying this would be a great place to get rid of a body…
Yes I do believe they got rid of deer parts in the river but when is the question..it is proven Ron and others do not go by the rules for hunting times legally. I also noticed there were no gators hanging out during the search..there was no talk of having any removed that became unafraid due to being fed…April is breeding season also..jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 9:36 am
absolutely correct Tobias! Ron is the one who said Tommy told him it was like the lake placid story and that Joe said this would be a great place to dump a body. According to Ronald he met Joe the third day he was in town. This is when Joe and his friend Jennifer was there and looking to steal his gun. He told Cobra this info. Art harris reported about going to the dock with Ron and Ron told him that he went fishing with Joe. Really after he stole his gun and fought with Joe??????
April it starts warming up so the ambient temps would be warmer in April as opposed to February. 2009, 2010 and 2011 were very cold winters. We have been very warm here during our winter months in 2012 and this year 2013.
It was Monday following that Sunday when Misty told Flo about the yellow rope and cinder blocks. If I can find the actual video of the shows I will post them. There was a resident in the Shell Harbour area that told media that LE was questioning the residents about a older chevy van that had been in the area. This questioning was going on while the search was happening. I dont see Annette and TN going to the area after the search. There would be no reason to. Nothing to find after LE did their through search of the banks, woods and river. I dont think they knew there was going to be a search at the time they went. They may have suspected there might be IDK.
It just concerns me why they would of went searching. LE would of been recording Mistys call with her granny so they would of known what she told Flo that monday morning. It was the second or third day when Flo went on JVM and told the story for the first time and the search was still in progress. jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 9:37 am
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February 12th, 2013 at 10:37 am
I remember hearing/reading that too, tobias. It was early in the case before the Cobra tapes came out. When I heard RC tell Cobra what JO allegedly said about SH being a good place to hide a body, I thought, hmm, that sounds mighty similar to what Amber said YOU said about Dunns Creek Bridge.
I’ve looked for it on AH’s site (and other places) but haven’t been able to find it.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Flo was already telling the story by the 16th of April 2010. Here is one of the trascripts I found. The monday following when Tommy was spoken to and taken to the dock that evening of the 12th of april 2010 would have been dated the 19th. Flo was already on the air with what she said Misty told her by the 16th.It only stands to reason that Flo called Annette on Monday the 12th of April 2010 as she said Misty asked her to do.
I do believe Flo was told alot and she was very confused at which to believe of all the different stories she was getting. I do believe she relayed them to LE as she said she did. I hope she is resting in peace.jmo jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 10:39 am
oops here is the link
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/16/ijvm.01.html
February 12th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Misty was pointing at the Joe story (this from her attorney fields) from the day she was arrested for the drugs…she failed that poly also…she sent letters to Chelsea claiming it was Joe and he put a knife to her throat…Lindsy was telling Tommy that Misty was telling the Joe story..so its easy to see why Tommy would know what to tell to mirror (but not exactly) Mistys story…and the fact they had all talked about this theory early on..even Lisa talked about it on tape saying she felt Joe had done this. jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 11:19 am
April 15th ,2010 is when Flo came out to the press she was the tipster that called LE and told some of what she had been told Sunday eveining April 11,2010 and so on. jmo
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ijvm.01.html
jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 11:33 am
HARRIS: Well, I walked down to the dock one day with Ronald when I was down there, Jane. And he told me that he and Joe used to go down to the dock, and Joe enjoyed throwing animals out into the river and meat and watching alligators feed on it. Now, I don`t know if that`s a true story or not, but it gives me chills. And it would certainly be somewhat consistent with what Tim Miller told you.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/15/ijvm.01.html
jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Rons a liar. He had just met Joe. It was too cold for the gators the whole time Joe was in town. Funny how Jjoe stole his gun and wanted to crush Joes hands but he is out fishing with him, paleeeese. jmo jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 11:39 am
absolutely right Tobias. jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
They all lie but I would like to hear JO’s version of the fight over the gun. TN said it happened, RC denied it then later told Cobra it happened and fantasized about crushing JO’s hand blah, blah. The part that really bugs me is WHY DID RC CLEAN THAT GUN???
February 12th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
I would love to hear the story from Joe also. I want to know why initially Misty and Chelsea claimed they found the gun in the culvert by direction of Ronald on the cell phone, but then Ron tells Cobra he went and got it and cleaned it. Yes! I too would love to know Joes version of that story. Too hinky for me from these three individuals as it has been told thus far. jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty Croslin`s grandmother confirms to Nancy Grace that she passed on information to detectives about the possible location of Haleigh`s body.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/13/ng.01.html
the day the search began Flo had already told NG she was the tipster even sooner than JVM.jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
JEAN CASAREZ, IN SESSION: Yes. And let me give you a little legal terminology that you know well. It`s called accessory after the fact. I looked up the Florida law, Nancy. It is a first degree felony punishable by life in the state of Florida if you have information that you know a crime has been committed and you help that individual by not divulging it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/13/ng.01.html
jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, it`s been in full swing since about 9:15 this morning, residents in the area even saying that there were investigators in the area last night poking around, going door to door, asking questions. Our affiliates are reporting that they`re seeing large lights brought in, like the kind you`d see at a ball diamond or a stadium. So it looks like they`re planning to search throughout the night for information or some kind of evidence, possibly even Haleigh`s remains.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/13/ng.01.html
jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=yd_O5iccfPk&NR=1
Flo called LE on Sunday night. she said she called everybody about her learnings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-XNMMJ7U4
for you own thoughts jmo
February 12th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
I’m sure that Flo called AS on Sunday night and told her what Tommy had said. Which was that Joe Overstreet was the responsible party. Even GGS said on one of those links that they went down in the morning after the search had begun to walk around. Sometimes she says morning, sometime she says they walked around all afternoon. But in either case it was after the search had begun. Tommy didn’t tell us about the Shell Harbor thing until Monday evening and it was Tuesday that AS and Teresa went over to Shell Harbor. What time tuesday? I guess it depends upon which old lady’s memory you want to rely on. It doesn’t make any real difference.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:44 am
If you (generic use of the word) suspect that AS and TN are covering for Ronald, themselves, or anyone, for that matter, then it does raise even more suspicion that they were out there searching before LE arrived. I don’t know the sequence of events and the conflicting statements certainly don’t clear things up. What if they were tipped off by someone from the PCSO? I’m not saying that happened, just that it’s possible. Unfortunately, we’ll probably never know.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
TN never stated anything about going to Shell Harbour that I recall. Flo was referring to LE,detectives and crimestoppers when she called everybody on sunday night the 11th of april 2010. Flo also talked to Misty that Sunday night after Tommys call. Something went wrong with the phones during thier conversation( probably LE,imo). Flo explained that Misty called her Monday morning the 12th of april 2010. It was then Misty asked Flo to call AS. Flo said she did. If I had the actual shows I would post them. Per reports Tommy was not taken down to Shell Harbour until about 6ish or so that evening of the 12th. It is also possible that there was a contact in the LE that contacted them,IDK, but possible. Flo confronted CC about it being her that told her to tell LE the area to search. Flo outted CC after CC made claims that Flo had not been in thier lives in the 7 years she has been in the Croslin family.
If there was no parameters set until late evening or early Tuesday morning then it is very possible for AS and TN to have been at the aearch area prior to LE,imo, but WHY??? all imo
February 13th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
I don’t put anything past RC, AS and TN at this point so if it happened that way, that is…IF they were down there prior to LE, I think the ‘why’ is obvious.
Why did RC clean that gun?
Why didn’t Ronald kill JO when he was still there if he suspected his involvement? He let everyone know he would kill anyone involved and some misguided individuals even admired him for it.
Why didn’t he go to TN and kill JO?
Why did CC and TC allow JO in their house, w/ their CHILDREN, fgs, if he is a known pedophile?
Why did Ronald marry Misty?
Why did AS and TN talk about Misty like she was the best thing since white bread when they knew she was drugging and sleeping w/ another guy when she should’ve been at the trailer watching RONALD’S children?
Why did Ronald lie about passing the poly?
Why did people like NG believe him and state it as FACT over and over again?
Why didn’t anyone question how NG would KNOW THAT?
Why did it take 4 yrs for someone from the PSCO to finally admit publicly that RONALD CUMMINGS is not telling everything he knows?
I could go on forever because this case is filled w/ whys.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
I know AS said she was there before LE on a tape for the NG show…she said they went back down the next morning too and LE had started their own search..
Why and how they knew is a mystery..but Flo claimed it was her who called them and AS said it was…
to me its only interesting that they would go searching instead of making their own call to LE..
and yes they do have distant relatives working at PCSD..NO BIG SURPRISE THERE. JMO
February 13th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Those are all good questions. When AS and TN went to Shell Harbor, well it must have been Tuesday because the PCSO ran them off, is what they reported. How they knew to go look there? Well, that’s anybody’s guess and I don’t think it makes much difference. I don’t know for sure of anyone that passed their polygraph test, but I’m not privy to the info that the PCSO has. I know Tommy didn’t because we administered that one. We all know that Misty flunked several. WBG showed deceptive on his. And Ron, I don’t know for sure. Timmy Croslin showed deception is my understanding but I don’t have any documentation on that. Joe Overstreet also showed deceptive, but again I don’t have any way to document that.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:59 am
I agree Grace alot of whys in this case. First I have heard that WNG was deceptive. CC said Tim showed deception on one question he was asked. She did not give the actual question.
Ron said ” They told me I passed” WELLL in his PDM deposition he was asked if he was told any info on his LDT that he gave for Haleighs disappearance and he said NO. Therefore, how can he go on Greta and NG and say ” I passed with flying colors? ”
We all know you can show deception on a LDT but it only becomes important when it is referenced to the victim. I do believe portions of Janes story but it all ends by 8pm. There are still parts that I believe were not told.
Fact is that Hardy has made it very clear this year as to whom he would like to hear from. That says alot for me. No confusing it this time. IMO,Hardy feels Ron has info, so why is he not telling it? LE has gotten wind of something or they would not have stated so publicly the last two years.We have known since the first week when this case began they have had wanted TRUTHFUL answers from Misty. jmo jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
oops WBG has been deceptive. correction in above post. jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 10:12 am
WBG told AH he assumed he passed since LE quit asking him any questions about the case..they never brought him in again either….NayNay also was questioned alot (whenever they could when she was arrested). I dont know how Joe Pytko got messed up in this but I am curious about his story of the L pond…and how it came about that he divulged it. jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 11:36 am
I think it was Greenwood? that said (paraphrasing) they have known from day one that the family wasn’t telling all they know. IIRC that was 2 yrs ago. RC’s diehard defenders spun that to mean the Croslins who AREN’T family but whatever…that told me that they’ve (LE) known Ronald wasn’t being forthcoming all along. As I’ve said many times, I wish they (LE) would’ve leaned on RC and his family as hard as they leaned on the Croslins…but, yes, I’m glad that Hardy finally cleared that up this year. AND I still wonder WTH took so long!
I wish we knew what the questions and answers were that tested deceptive on the polys for the people SKB mentioned. NG is a disgrace. Seriously. Not just because of her weird fascination w/ RC either, just in general. CNN doesn’t seem to care how low they sink for ratings.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:53 am
I also think there’s some truth in Jane’s story but maybe Misty did leave at some point and maybe there is some truth in the Pytko story, IDK. My guess is that LE knew of the connection to Nay Nay and the other players in the case and offered him something for any information he had re Haleigh.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
One question is interesting is Ron not passing the poly..why did LE stay quiet about his results???
Could it be they wanted Ron to believe he was in the clear the entire time so they could keep him talking? Possibly…they sure had no problem letting everyone know Misty did not pass…but Ron and his family still held her close…and it wasnt to get info from her…clearly these people are not the coddling type with comments about ripping off heads coming out of their mouths in media broadcasts recently…jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
I guess its possible Pytko saw Misty that weekend at the Mondex or a Chads house and put together a story for LE? I sure got a responce out of NayNay…
she wanted Donnie to remember she was with him that Monday and Tuesday…maybe she wasnt really with Donnie…when she called Misty everyone at the house sure wanted her to stop talking because they warned her LE may have the phones tapped. jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
The last time WBG was questioned that we know of was when the L pond was being searched in Sept 2009. He was arrested but a very short stay and he was released. He was arrested again after this and He ONLY got 10 years for all his counts???? Less than Ron and Tommy????? We all saw his charges.He spilled on something to get such a reduced sentence IMO.
Pytko gave his rendition in July 2009 while he was incarcerated in putnam county jail. He was released on July 30th,2009. Shortly after this is when Ron and Tommy got into their fight at granny Sykes on Augut 5th approx 10 and 11pm that night and Ron was arrested shortly after mid-night. I still wonder if this fight had to do with the rumor that imo was intentionally released by LE to cause a ripple effect. It did IF that was the case. Ron stated LE spoke to him in jail in reference to Haleigh that day while he was incarcerated before Misty and granny bailed him out. LE had wanted to speak with him for four months but Ron refused. A couple days after this Ron and Misty put a headless rat in Tommys mail box.Then all of a sudden there is a request from TN for Mark Nejame and Tim Millers help in finding Haleigh. All the dead silence from them for four months suddenly got very loud. Ron hired Terry Shoemaker. Then we got more failed polys for Misty. Still The family supported her in the main stream media, but in private speaking out against her. I feel that they never thought what they said in private would be made public. Then the L pond search and Misty is off with Donna. NN is writing letters speaking about Joe Pytko and letting Donnie recall ” you know I was with you” very hinky to me . NN hanging close to Misty after she got back from Tennessee at Rons request. This when Flo said Misty had told her lying in bed the night before Misty left that haleigh was dead. Ron divorces Misty in October. Then we find out Misty and Ron were together and Misty was even staying at Rons grannys with him due to the road rage with Charles Jones Jr. then on Jan 20th,2010 LE took down Ron and Misty. They then went and got Hope,Tommy and Donna. Ron also told something, IMO to get 10 years knocked off his sentence or he would be serving 25 right along with Misty. What a dominoe effect with these players. JMO
February 14th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Well we don’t know for sure he didn’t pass but I assume he didn’t because of Greenwoods statement. We DO know he wasn’t told that he passed, let alone “w/ flying colors” tho because of his PDM depo.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Tobias I agree on LE not releasing any info on Rons LDT results.
I also agree about NN being on the phone with Misty and the family telling her to get off the phone they maybe tapped. Why The worry if you have nothing to hide???? The same Tim Miller said Ron said about he and Mistys phones going to Orlando. Ron thought their phones were tapped. That is why Tim Miller got them just 1 phone to use. What is it that R and M would be so worried about LE hearing?????? jmo jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Thats right Grace. I believe it was Levi last year or in 2011 that came out and said that he was told by one of his sources that Ron did not pass. It is starting to look like he did not with what Greenwood said last year and this years statement by Hardy. jmo jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
IMO, LE wanted on to believe he was in the clear to get him talking to them again.This is why,IMO they gave that statement in August 2009. jmo
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
I didn’t know that Levi said he didn’t pass. Frankly, I stopped paying attention to him and others long ago…too much drama, imo.
It probably was strategy on the part of LE to make him feel comfortable. He already thinks he’s special so I can understand why they’d think it would work. Not sure if it did tho…
February 15th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
I just read post #681 lfj and it’s pretty amazing how all those seemingly seperate incidents tie together. If it was LE’s intention to shake things up w/ the Pytko affidavit/Nay Nay letter they certainly succeeded.
TMK the affidavit was never released, just the letter Nay Nay wrote to Donny and her mother. So we’re getting her interpretation of what she read along w/ her denial that it happened at all. Do you think there’s any truth to it or do you think it was all contrived by LE so they could observe which direction the rats (no pun intended) would start scurrying? Sure is something to think about, imo.
February 15th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
there could be truth to it. It is one of the possibilities. jmo
The rumor that went around Putnam county in mid- july 2009 was overheard in a doctors office. There were two women and they were openly talking and one claimed to be connected to one of the detectives on Haleighs case. It was said that they had found Haleigh and that they had done some test and that she OD’d on Oxycontin but they were not sure if it was accidental or intentional. That tox screens had been sent out and it would be 6 weeks until they got them back. It was said that LE was looking at R and M. It was said that Haleigh was first put into the dumpster and then moved somewhere else.
On August 7th 2009 LE came out and discounted the rumor that they had found Haleigh the day after Rons release from the Putnam County jail August 6,2009 due to he and Tommys brawl.
When the topic of oxycontin came up again in NNs letter and Joe Pytko I personally did not feel that was coincidental.I went and checked the jail dockett and sure enough Joe Pytko was incarcerated in the jail from mid-july and released on July 30th,2009.
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100413/ARTICLES/100419871?p=7&tc=pg
Aug. 7, 2009 – The Sheriff’s Office rebuts a rumor that Haleigh’s body has been found, saying officers wanted to quell such rumors so the focus can be maintained on finding the girl.
Then you have CCs brainstorm of a theory of haleigh overdosing she told nationally. jmo jmo
February 15th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
After reading Rons deposition its a BIG possibilty that the reason AS did not get custody of Junior is because she knew Ron was leaving those kids in the parking lot at work…it clearly says she was there in the deposition (in Rons file)jmo
February 15th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I agree lfj, there could be some truth to it. Thanks for that link to the timeline.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
your welcome Grace.
The dumpster statement in that rumor also caught my attention since this was July 2009 and the dumpster search was back in late Feb.2009.
Things to ponder about since we know LE does not have to give out any info whether they found anything or not.jmo
http://www.examiner.com/article/cadaver-dog-leads-authorities-to-dumpster-search-for-haleigh
Feb 26, 2009 · Thursday a cadaver dog alerted authorities to a scent inside a dumpster located near Haleigh Cummings neighborhood.
That is a real possibility Tobias.jmo
February 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Yes, that caught my attention too. I remember there were different opinions on whether a sanitary pad could be mistaken for decomp by the dogs and I know some feel that Haleigh was in the dumpster and then moved.
Another thing that caught my attention was Nay Nay saying she didn’t want to be caught up in a homicide investigation. No one was talking about homicide in July ’09, at least not publicly.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am
The dogs picked up on the smell of death but that dumpster was used other places and it also held constrution waste so it cant be proven it was Haleigh that they hit on…someone could have cleaned up an area that someone else had recently died at or a MH could have been rehabed after a death…I wonder if after they spread the contents out if they used the dogs to see what object they were hitting on specificly? jmo
February 16th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Good question. I would hope so but Idk. There was a short video clip of the dumpster search, probably from local media? but I don’t think it’s available anymore.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
The search was shown on the local network in Putnam County. There are those there that said the stuff in the dumpster was laid out on a tarp. I also saw on scared monkeys site where posters were blogging what they were seeing during the time of the search. I am an hour and a half from there. We did not get the coverage the locals did. They brought in a different dumpster as well according to those who got to see the search and kept the one there initially covered. It is possible that something specific may have been found. IF iirc during the dumpster search is when some DNA testing was done. It was reported that some were bad tests and had to be redone around this time.jmo
I also agree on the homicide investigation comment by NN in her letter.jmo
February 17th, 2013 at 10:35 am
To me it sounds as tho NN was repeating what LE told her. Were they trying to scare her by coming up w/ the worst case scenario (homicide) she could be involved in? Or did they suspect homicide as early as 7-09? Both are plausible imo.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Whats very interesting is NayNay did not try to blame it on anyone else…but the fact she keps reminding Donnie she was with him is kinda hinkie..
And this Lyndsy girl was never questioned that we know of about that weekend…iteresting LE did not go after Nay Nay and WBG for prostituting a minor if this Lindsy was under age…maybe she wasnt a minor? Or maybe she doesnt even exsist…and NayNay and Misty were actually working..hmmm.Makes ya wonder. jmo
February 17th, 2013 at 11:46 am
She just flat out denied it happened at all. I wonder if LE questioned Donny and if NN was w/ him at the time she claims she was. I remember LE asking the public to come forward if they saw Misty that night. They were looking for a ‘credible’ witness. Good luck w/ that.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
KLAAS: Well, actually, they told me the questions that they were going to ask me in advance. And if I remember correctly, they probably only asked me somewhere between about 10 and 20 questions. And at the conclusion of the polygraph — and mind you, this was done by a very experienced FBI polygrapher. At the conclusion of the exam, one of the agents came in and said, Well, that went very well. And that basically is as close that anybody came to telling me that I had passed the exam.
this sounds exactly what jerry Santos told LE told him at his interview. They let you hang yourself.
I believe from this page forward on this link you will find the dumpster search conversation that I read.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4563.1400
Page 71 starts Feb 25th,2009. This is just before the search on the 26th of Feb 2009. jmo
February 18th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/846128/week_two_in_the_search_for_haleigh
jmo
February 18th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
why they held the mh home as a crime scene for so long video in spam
February 18th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/video/847574/brother_s_story_inconsistent
If I ever come across that on ground interview with AS sitting in that chair telling the reporter that jr said the man wore black and had on a ski mask and even described the mask as having two holes for the eyes. It was well before Crystal came out with Jrs story. Fact. Really??? who would of possibly put jr in harms way first?? jmo jmo jmo
February 18th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
I’ve viewed the Nancy Grace interview between Flo Hollars and Annette Sykes many times and I can say that Annette Sykes and Teresa Neves searched the Shell Harbor wooded area the afternoon before LE conducted their search. They also showed up the morning of LE’s search as well. Flo was asked by Misty to let Annette Sykes know that there was to be a search by LE at Shell Harbor and that is why Annette Sykes and Teresa Neves searched prior to LE’s search the following day.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:24 am
What exactly has AS and TN done to find Haleigh? Does anyone know? I’m not talking about balloon releases and vigils that are put together to raise $$ for themselves, I mean what have they done to find Haleigh?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Nothing that I have heard of Grace.
Thats right Lone. To me that was a form of communication between Misty, AS ,TN and of course Ronald.Now we heard from AS that she went to visit Misty in prison???
Then all of a sudden the antique machine gun appears after 14 months and turned in by one of Rons family members anonymously??? They can give whatever reasonings they want,but it dont fly, imo.
I was sitting back thinking about the L pond search in Sept 2009. AS went on the air claiming they were not told about the search being Haleigh related. She was angry. Yet, Crystal S. was notified and she is the one that told Ron and his family.jmo jmo
February 19th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Investigators set up a blue tarp around the Dumpster and put up flood lights as they began sorting through the contents of the Dumpster.
starts at page 99 at the link on post 699 above. if that thread ends it usually gives a link to continue tot he next thread. jmo
February 19th, 2013 at 10:56 am
According to this there were 2 dumpsters searced that evening.
Reply #1982 on: February 26, 2009, 06:05:04 PM »
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Search Teams Investigate Dumpster Near Haleigh’s House
Posted By: Dave Wax Created: 2/26/2009 5:42:40 PM Updated: 2/26/2009 5:49:33 PM
SATSUMA, FL — Late Thursday afternoon, investigators, who have had their busiest day in about a week, went to the neighborhood behind Haleigh Cummings’ house and began searching through a construction dumpster.
After 5 p.m., the search moved into the Villas neighborhood, which is just on the other side of a fence from where Ronald and Haleigh Cummings’ house is.
First Coast News Erich Spivey says investigators were following a tip from area neighbors.
It is not clear if this is the first time this area has been searched, or specifically what searchers are after as they looked through the large dumpster.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4563.1980
February 19th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Well, maybe not 2 dumpsters but 2 searches.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Never mind, I totally misread that, not once but TWICE, lol. Heading for more coffee now…
February 19th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Stealing from Sleuths, it’s not lookin good guys. Sorry, so sad.
Per HLN – around 4:30 today, officers seen speaking with Ron C in front of tent and he then followed them to scene (misty was with him, along with unidentified male)
On JVM, reporter talking about RC, MC and RC going into house, trailer with LE before they went to dumpster. RC was in his vehicle with MC and another unidentified man. MC stayed in vehicle when RC went into house w/ LE.
Reporter on HLN said that LE threw a tarp over the dumpster.That indicates something more than possible clothing. Also, that photographs were taken and then detectives backed off. I can imagine waiting for the ME.
page 6
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4610.100 thread #3
February 19th, 2013 at 11:43 am
No there was another dumpster brought in. It maybe on the thread at the beginning of the #3 thread. I just read that a little bit ago.
the link to #3 is on post 710 above.
I am having coffee too.
jmo
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
My local News 13 is saying that the 2nd dumpster is there, They are going through the bags from the 1st dumpster and then putting it in the 2nd dumpster
page 7 from #3 thread above on 710
jmo
February 19th, 2013 at 11:51 am
oops again
February 19th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Well, I suppose it is possible that Misty knew about Shell Harbor before LE did. Tommy could have told her. The story is they were walking with one of Tommy’s kids down the road from Tommy’s place and he told Misty they had thrown Haleigh’s body off the end of the dock. Misty claims she thought he was talking about the dock down the street from Tommy’s which is why when LE took Misty to Shell Harbor she said no, it wasn’t this dock. But maybe Tommy actually told her the Shell Harbor dock. Now when Werter and I talked to Tommy on Monday morning, he wasn’t even talking about docks. So since I wasn’t on the walk him them that afternoon I don’t know exactly what Tommy told Misty. LE, Werter, and I did not know they were going to search Shell Harbor until early evening of Monday, and the search began early Tuesday morning.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Maybe they all know that if one goes down, they all go down and that’s why they appear to be helping each other keep the lid on what really happened to Haleigh.
If you have to be on an approved visitors list to visit someone in prison then Misty requested that AS be allowed to visit her. AS wants to rip her head off, she tells the media. TN wants her hung in the village square and blames her son’s drug habit and convictions on her. Ronald calls her a “suspect” in his daughter’s abduction/murder per the PDM depo. True or not true, would you want ANY of these people ANYWHERE near you? (hypothetical question)
Misty clearly got the short stick on every level that I can think of in this case and instead of fighting for herself, she keeps up the lame facade w/ her co-conspirators as they keep taking whacks at her.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Considering the fact that Robert Fields told the world that Misty had been telling this Joe story since her arrest on Janurary 20,2010 I think it is a great probability that misty told about the Shell harbour area. CC told Flo about that area also. That is why Flo confronted CC on national TV as CC having her tell LE the area to search. jmo
I would not want them near me, Grace.
I agree Misty does not fight for herself but there has to be a good reason. The only thing I can think of at this point is that she had some involvement or guilty knowledge.
They do need a visitation form here in Florida.
http://forum.jpay.com/showthread.php?3696-Get-Your-FDOC-Vistation-Forms-Here
http://www.bop.gov/inmate_locator/who.jsp
the person has to be on the inmates list.
February 21st, 2013 at 10:04 am
I agree that she probably had some involvemet and believes she could be charged w/ felony murder but I don’t believe she’s the only one. Ronald must believe he could also be charged w/ felony murder or he’d tell what he knows and according to LE he hasn’t done that.
After TM went back to give her the poly and LVA, RC and his family jumped on the opportunity to distance themselves from her. She instantly went from being the best gf w/ the maturity of a 30 yr old to a witch that should be hung in the village square. We know the divorce was a sham, they were still together. Lisa claims Misty still stayed w/ RC at AS’ house, the CJ road rage incident, and we saw them on video selling drugs together. Did Ronald say, look, me and my family are going to talk real bad about you in public and do everything we can to make it look like you and your brother, or you and your cousin are to blame but don’t let that bother you? I know Misty isn’t very bright but she does have a survival instinct so it doesn’t make sense to me that she would allow herself to be the scapegoat and not fight back.
Just one of many things that bother me about this case.
February 21st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
I definitely dont believe Misty is the only one either. The law reads anyone committing or having knowledge of the individual/s responsible for the crime not giving that info will receive the same charges. There are going to be a few IMO.
I never noticed this before. Learn something everytime I start searching for info.
Ron and Misty were married on the 12th or 13th of March 2009.
in this link there is a pic . that shows a gold wedding band on Rons ring finger of his left hand. This is right after he got the tats on his legs of the kids.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4654.40 scroll down and you will see the pic. I never noticed it before.
in the emotional plea video on feb 10,2009 he did not have a ring on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCpFbF2mBw…re=results_main
hmmmmmm. The tats were done in Pinellas County approx 3 hours from satsuma.
February 21st, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Todays search
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topstories/article/299199/483/Putnam-County-Sheriff-squashes-Haleigh-rumors
February 22nd, 2013 at 8:58 am
Welcome missing you. Thanks for the link. Perhaps this is what the Murt info was suppose to be about.
God Bless whomever this is. I guess we will have to wait and see whom the remains belong to.
If it is Haleigh perhaps this investigation can move forward. She needs to be found and justice served. God bless her little heart. jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 9:38 am
http://www.news4jax.com/news/Rumors-of-Haleigh-Cummings-remains-false/-/475880/19023878/-/man6ca/-/index.html
hERE IS A BETTER LINK..AS SAYS RON CALLED ABOUT THE SEARCH WANTING TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. HMM. JMO
February 22nd, 2013 at 9:38 am
How would Ron find out in prison about a search way down in Putnam? jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 9:56 am
Maybe it was Donald who called he is actually AS son…who knows but why is it hard for them to get off their lazy butts and hang new fliers? Really? And what about the Turners Sydrome being on the new poster a birthmark can be covered with make up but the turners is right out there. jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 9:58 am
This part bears repeating-
“This rumor is false, and this information has been vastly misreported and sensationalized.”
http://pcso.us/20130221-a
Information vastly misreported and sensationalized in the Haleigh case? That’s a real understatement and I admire Greenwood’s restraint.
February 22nd, 2013 at 10:51 am
fUNNY THEY TALK ABOUT RUMORS BUT UNTIL THIS CAME OUT ON jAX 4NEWS AND fIRST COAST NO ONE WAS TLKING ABOUT IT ON tWITTER OR ANY WHERE ELSE..iT UST HAVE BEEN LOCAL? JMO
February 22nd, 2013 at 10:52 am
Sorry had to clean the cap lock LOL jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am
This is just my take on it so take it for whatever you think that’s worth.
First, there must have been some talk, somewhere if Ronald knew about it.
Second, there are clearly some (too many,imo) that have agendas. Some that are directly related to what happened to Haleigh and others that climbed on the bandwagon for their own self-serving reasons. I just hope that whoever is attempting to misdirect LE’s investigation is known and prosecuted. All of them, whatever their motive was, and imvso there are many.
February 22nd, 2013 at 11:56 am
Interesting the search was on the route Ron took to work…the Hoot owl Road and Squirel tree road is right off rt.17 just below Dunns Creek bridge…
this is going towards Palatka, North of Satsuma..
its also near the ball field. jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
“My son (Haliegh’s father, Ronald) called and said they heard that they had found Haliegh,” said Sykes. “He asked if it was true and I told him I didn’t know. I didn’t even know they were looking.”
Interesting…AS doesnt know they were looking for Haleigh…I find this to be her imagination that Ron called or it was really her son Donald and the media got it wrong thinking she said Ronald..jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
oPPS SORRY THAT ISNT A BALL FIELD ITS A rACE TRACK. JMO
February 22nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
He’s listed as her son on her husband’s obituary, air.
It’s possible the media got it wrong and it’s possible that the funeral home got it wrong but how likely is it? I guess that’s up to each of us to come to our own conclusions.
So there was a search? It’s hard to tell from LE’s statement.
February 22nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Today, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office responded to an area in South Putnam County to check an area as a result of one of many tips received during this investigation.
http://pcso.us/20130221-a
They are so careful the way they word things. Did they search or just respond to someone or something in South Putnam Co related to the rumor? People close to the area might know…might have seen them searching, if they did but they probably aren’t talking and who could blame them?
February 22nd, 2013 at 2:23 pm
True, I know they searched this area early on like the 23 of Feb. 2009..I went back to see if it was ever searched…I noticed the PCSD also left out if it was a new tip or an older tip being looked at again..I would have expected more if it was a search of PDM..JMO
February 22nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
I hope it’s something…the area, as you describe it, sure sounds promising but from the little I’ve read in the past couple days, I’ve got a feeling that it’s just more BS and game playing by a group of very questionable and disturbed people.
Stuff like this gives me new respect for the PCSO who I’ve been critical of in the past. I can’t imagine what it must be like to have to deal w/ this crap all the time.
February 22nd, 2013 at 7:19 pm
I just wonder if LE is just going over all the past tips to see if they missed anything? I google searched when they searched this area and there is an article on Feb. 15 talking to V. Moore who lives on Hoot Owl road, she is a preacher I believe and she was praying Haleigh would show up but was losing faith after 5 days…LE and TES searched this area. jmo
February 22nd, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Just catching up. If any of you remember LE searched off Hoot owl road after the memorial bridge search and a few weeks before the Shell harbour search. Noone was told. Citizens reported the choppers in the air and officers in the area searching. It turned out they were following up a lead then on Haleigh.
I feel if the name Ronald was in fact the name AS used then it only makes me believe that he was meant to be told of this rumor. I dont know the protocol, but would not Ron and Crystal be the first notified prior to the grandmothers? jmo
February 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 am
I know this area was searched several times…Hank made mention of the dunns creek area (just up the road) in a jail tape. This is the route used by Ron to come and go to work…its no where near Shell Harbor either. Could be LE is going over all the past searches and tips? jmo
February 23rd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
“Well, they’re looking for a dead little girl. I’m looking for a live little girl,” said Sykes. “They can look anywhere they want, but they’re not going to find her. She’s somewhere alive. I really believe that.
And where exactly is AS searching for this live little girl? jmo
February 23rd, 2013 at 4:10 pm
SKB wHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS RECENT SEARCH?
February 23rd, 2013 at 9:40 pm
I think that Sheriff Hardy said the other day, although I can’t find the link, that those responsible for Haleigh’s death were in prison, and he was surprised that the prison time hadn’t made one of them come forward. So I don’t know who would have given the PCSO “some tip” as to where Haleigh was. I can tell you this, Tommy has told me on repeated occasions that the last time he saw Haleigh was at the Shell Harbor dock. I believe he is telling the truth as far as that statement goes. I think there’s more to that story but I’m not going to elaborate because I have no proof of my theory. Sorry. There are a couple of players that are not in prison but whomever gave the “tip” to the PCSO obviously was wrong.
February 24th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
I have the feeling this was not a new call in tip because LE says nothing about any new tip just that they are following up on tips recieved…this could be an old tip they decided to look at again? jmo
February 24th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
2013-02-21 by: Major Johnny Greenwood
The Putnam County Sheriff’s Office has received numerous inquiries regarding the recovery of the skeletal remains of missing Haleigh Cummings. A rumor has spread throughout our community that her body has been located. This rumor is false, and this information has been vastly misreported and sensationalized.
Today, the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office responded to an area in South Putnam County to check an area as a result of one of many tips received during this investigation.
In an effort to prevent this false information from impeding our investigation, Sheriff Hardy wants to quell these rumors so we can maintain our focus on the criminal investigation.
Due to the sensitive nature of this investigation, agency members are still not participating in formal interviews. There is also not any additional information that investigators could provide that hasn’t been given in media releases numerous times in the past.
These rumors must be local because I have never seen any rumors that LE found Haleighs remains…
I do think its great that they are still searching areas…jmo
February 24th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
PCSD is not going to announce any bones found as Haleighs until they are actually identified as hers..so I doubt IF (big if) they found anything on this search that it would automatically be announced. The bones would be sent to forensics to be tested, this would take weeks if not months. jmo
February 24th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Tobias I agree that they would not release that the remains would be Haleighs, but they would announce the remains that had been found would be announced . they would have told reporters that after testing which they say is usually 6 weeks they would release the identity if known. I also believe we would of seen crime scene detectives on the scene for more than a day scouring the area for all the evidence they could retrieve like small bones that may have been buried or moved by animals. Anything that may have been discarded with the body when it was dumped. IDK if they were out there more than the day we heard about or not. I do wish this search would have resulted in something for haleigh. jmo jmo
February 24th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
I’ve always believed that if Teresa Neves had been put in jail, this case would have been solved by now. IMO, she knows exactly what happened that night. Ronald was on the phone the whole night so why haven’t we heard anything about LE taking Teresa Neves phone and checking the call log. Hell, Annette Sykes phone log needs to be investigated as well. I don’t think Ron does anything without calling his mom or grandmother to help get him out of trouble. They have helped him out of trouble many, many times in the past. They would be the first ones he would call. I also think that any cell phone Ronald had was most likely on a family plan in his mother’s or grandmother’s names. Surely, he had more than one phone to use since he appears to have had a side business and needed a way for his customers to get in touch with him.
February 24th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Yeah, I agree with LFJ. At least typically, here in North Florida, Duval County, they find dead bodies and skeletons all of the time out in the woods etc. and announce they’ve found them. Then later when they get the person identified they also announce that.
February 26th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Joe is back in jail, this time I feel for a long time…he was on probation for 11 mo. when he got busted this last time so he may be doing his time in a prison…some have hopes he will talk (if he knows anything) about Haleigh…if he does I bet some in prison and out are nervous, realllyy nervous.jmo
February 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
I am sure LE has went through cell records of those they have in their custody. I feel there is plenty LE has not released and wont until they are ready to make an arrest in Haleighs case.
I agree with the point that Ron may have had more than one phone for his side business. It will depend if Le has that phone info or not as to what info could be retrieved from it for the time of Haleighs disappearance.
Lone, who exactly is this Murt individual? I think it is odd that this individual was ready to tweet info but then halted right before this search ocurred. How would this individual know about the search before it happened? Thanks. jmo jmo
February 26th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
I noticed the Murt claimimg they had breaking news on the 18th of Feb 2013. The search was on the 21st of Feb 2013.jmo
February 26th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
LFJ, Even if Ron used a different phone it would ping on the only antennea (sp) and it would also show the cel it was calling..and the time the calls were made. LE in my opinion has all calls made during that time and knows who those calls were made by..remember the FBI was doing investigating in this case also…And you are correct I also betthere is a ton of info they are not letting anyone know they have until they can get enough to arrest . jmo
February 26th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
True Tobias. I was talking more on a disposable cell that LE may not have.
Just think how easy it would be to leave your main phone on the work site and get rid of a disposable before returning and retrieving your main phone. Just a thought. This way that main phone would ping you at work even if your have left for a bit. Just a thought.jmo
February 28th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Enlarge Photo
PYTKO, JOSEPH FRANKLIN (W / MALE)
Status: In Jail
Booking No: PCSO13JBN000738
Booking Date: 02/27/2013 06:07:02
Age On Booking Date: 37
Bond Amount: $1008.00
CELL Assigned:
Facility: PCSO , Tower: A , Dorm: AA , Pod: AA , Cell No: 101 Visitation Schedule
CHARGES
STATUTE CASENO CHARGE DEGREE LEVEL BOND
810.09.2b 000-0000 (PALATKA POLICE DEPARTMENT) TRESPASSING F M $504.00
843.02 000-0000 (PALATKA POLICE DEPARTMENT) RESIST OFFICER F M $504.00
Another familiar name in the Haleigh case arrested once again..jmo
February 28th, 2013 at 10:23 am
DODD, KELLY NICOLE (W / FEMALE)
Status: In Jail
Booking No: PCSO13JBN000748
Booking Date: 02/27/2013 16:05:56
Age On Booking Date: 18
Bond Amount: $3008.00
CELL Assigned:
Facility: PCSO , Tower: C , Dorm: FQ , Pod: FQ , Cell No: 001 Visitation Schedule
CHARGES
STATUTE CASENO CHARGE DEGREE LEVEL BOND
812.014.2e 000-0000 (PALATKA POLICE DEPARTMENT) LARC F M $504.00
784.03.1a1 000-0000 (PALATKA POLICE DEPARTMENT) BATTERY F M $2504.0
And another gee is it a round up? jmo
February 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am
here have who the town referes to him as PSYCHO Joe P. and Nay Nays little sister Kelly . She could of been the young girl with Misty that Jane saw per jane to Mr.Brown. Kelly was with Misty on a drug deal in jan 2010.jmo
February 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Tobias, Kelly Dodd is that Nay Nay’s little sister?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:38 am
Yes a half sister..different father same mother..
she read the letter NayNay sent to their mom from jail on the news..jmo
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
There is alot to know about Kelly, she was friends with Amber B., Misty Watkins (girl who died in a fire) Troy Mote (dated him at one time) she hung in a older group of people….some knew Jane…she was along with Misty on a drug deal…she has known Misty for a long time I believe she knew her when they lived in Bunnel..jmo
February 28th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Here’s Kelly Dodd -
March 1st, 2013 at 9:42 am
if Jane did see a younger girl with Misty Kelly is the one, she was 14 at the time Haleigh went missing…she is 18 now…and if she knew Misty when Misty was 14 then she knew her in Flagler county either in Bunnel or Holly Hill. jmo
March 1st, 2013 at 3:30 pm
SKB did you know that Janes sisters baby daddy is a registered sex offender? jmo
March 1st, 2013 at 3:32 pm
jANES SISTERS BABY DADDY IS A REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER..DID YOU KNOW THIS INFO???? JMO
March 1st, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Kelly could of been the young girl. I also think since jane stated the girl was about Mistys age ( 17)it could of been the lindsey girl or NN herself. I am sure NN would have not wanted for jane to say she was there that night. They were cell buddies and it was NN who urged Jane to speak to Mr.Brown.
Jane had the opportunity to speak to Misty in St.Augustine she told Mr.Brown she filled out a statement then. Then she was in Putnam with NN and thats when she gave a statement also to Mr.Brown. It would be interesting to compare the two statements she gave.
Very interesting info Tobias. jmo
March 2nd, 2013 at 11:48 am
I agree was Jane telling the same story or one (possibly 2) that she got from Misty and then NayNay? NayNay never talks about dropping WBG off during her story early on just Misty getting dropped off at her brothers…so was NayNay actually still with WBG and Possibly Jane that evening? jmo
March 2nd, 2013 at 2:09 pm
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/exclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks/
I’ve asked this question many times but I’ll throw it out there AGAIN…WHY does AH EDIT these tapes so much????? What did he edit out and WHY????
March 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
NN said she stayed at Lindsey’s house that night and then stayed w/ Donny “for like a week.”
Imo, it’s possible she was w/ WBG and Jane but left that part out (and told Jane to leave that out too) because she wanted to distance herself from what happened later but if that’s the case then why would Jane even mention the young girl? Jane said she didn’t know the young girl. If it was Kelly and NN why mention the young girl at all?
March 3rd, 2013 at 9:34 am
On AH editing I am not sure. I know we have seen where he was asked to remove specific info and he did upon request. Just like the jail tapes when certain info came up in the tapes they edited it out. Just like in the drug tape where Misty is heard loud and clear stating that haleigh Fd up her 17 th birthday. That got removed quickly. I can only speculate that as LEs investigation furthered they wanted specific info removed from the public so that if they ever made an arrest and it went to trial it would not be fresh in peoples minds.
I am going to have to listen to the bus stop story again. I thought in that interview at one point it was said that a another girl was in the van with Misty when she was there picking up Haleigh on that Monday afternoon. I do recall somewhere this invisible girl being there was mentioned.
It could be why it is important for jane to say a young girl she does not know was there. I personally believe Jane knew Misty better than she claims to. I personally believe between Misty and NN thats how she knew to say Joe carried a knife. Jane could of been with them all that weekend. Just because she was 9 months pg does not mean anything. Jane tells Mr.Brown that after serving Misty at Rons mh she went back to Stokes landing at chad Es home for the night.
Jane said she does not know if WBG went back over to Rons mh that night. I find this odd because WBG lived at Chad Es home and Jane had been his driver, per her, that afternoon and evening. Jane said in statement for the last visit ” When I pulled up” this references to me that she was driving the car even though it was WBGs green taurus.jmo
Tobias I agree on NN never saying she dropped off WBG. Yet both NN and WBG claim the last time they saw Misty was at 4am that Sunday morning.jmo jmo
March 3rd, 2013 at 10:33 am
WBG Did have to explain away that phone call he made to Misty (in interview and to LE) hE Claimed he called her on Monday and she said she was at the Hospital with her Dad…we know this is untrue..I wonder where the pings showed Misty and Greg at during those calls? This could be truth or a total lie and it was the initial call made when WBG and Jane were to show up jmo
March 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 am
I completely understand LE redacting info that might impede an ongoing investigation however, AH is NOT LE. Apples and oranges. AH takes a word or two from different sentences and strings them together to create a new sentence that for one reason or another is more to his liking. That is hinky no matter which way you look at it and it makes me seriously question his credibility. Frankly, I’m surprised that people just ACCEPT that kind of stuff and even make excuses for it. But hey, that’s what happens when people are desperate for information and unfortunately AH, TJ Hart, NG know it and depend on it to further their own careers. They are not after the truth.
In this case, his NN interview and the interview he did w/ WBG are pretty worthless if you’re trying to understand what happened during the 3 day binge and the days following. Worse, it can lead people in the wrong direction and I think some of the wild theories out there are a testament to that. That imvso.
March 3rd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
I am pretty sure WBG did call Misty..LE knows it too but all they and we have is what WBG said the reason he called and what Misty supposedly said…
It could have been one of the calls WBG made when he and Jane were on their way to the MH to supposedly serve the drugs….doubt WBG would admit that on tape or to LE…but when you add what Jane told SKB and the ccall WBG made to Misty well it could be this is what it was really about..just a possibility imo
March 3rd, 2013 at 3:32 pm
http://youtu.be/yVkAPOfXZKQ
This interview is the one where WBG says he saw Misty Sunday and called her on Monday.jmo
March 3rd, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Remember who told the first story about that weekend..NayNay..she told everyone about WBG and Misty hooking up..now why is she doing this to Misty???? Its true but usually someone like her would deny anything like that went on…and she put WBG in a big hurt..jmo
March 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Then comes the story about NayNay , Misty and WBG at the Lpond told by Joe Pytko…he put all of them at a scene..and Nay Nay wanted to know why Donnies friend would do this…and she reminds him she was with him..yeah right. jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 9:02 am
The circle of those that may know what happened to Haleigh keeps getting wider and wider. It seems logical that some of these people would’ve tried to bargain this knowledge w/ LE given the fact that they are constantly in and out of jail. The problem is, (and always has been, as I see it) none of them are credible so any information they may have provided wouldn’t result in a conviction anyway. This is why LE asked for a credible witness but who in this group is credible?
March 4th, 2013 at 10:53 am
I agree that AH, TJ hart and NG are not LE, but if LE should ask them to not report or to delete certain info I believe they would. I agree that adjectives and adverbs are added to hype the report. When he has done an interview with a person one on one then you go by what that person is stating. It would have nothing to do with what the reporter wrote.
Just like when the times for Ronalds work hours came out. They were initially 4pm -12am. Reported by TJ and AH. Then it came out Ron worked O/T because a barge came in late. Then they edited their reports to 4pm – 3am. Then in Sept 2009 Terry Shoemaker changed that to 5pm – 3am. AH edited his report and it read that Ronalds lawyer says 5-3. They know what was reported originally. Investigative reporters report the news they get. They report sometimes what LE wants them to report in order to cause a ripple effect.
In the rumor in July 2009 when Joe Pytko was incarcerated and more than likely gave his statement it only mentioned LE was looking at R and M at the time ; not Tommy and Joe O. Then in Sept 2009 in NNs letter referencing Joe Pytkos statement the names referenced then were NN, WBG and Misty; not Tommy and Joe O. I do believe if Tommy and Joe O were involved they are accessories after the fact and may have guilty knowledge to what ocurred. I just wonder if Joe Pytko was present in order to give any of this info to LE in July 2009.
I think it had to do with what LE said to NN.
snipett:
That was the last time they spoke, Prevatt says.
âWhat do I think happened?â asks Prevatt. âI just know when sheâs with the kids, I canât hang out with her because Haleigh would tell Ronald Nay Nay was there and heâd get mad. I used to hang out when my friend, Amber, was with him, but not since Misty moved in. Ronald doesnât like me, and to Misty, obviously Ronald is more important.â
Prevatt says Misty can be two-faced, âpretending sheâs a friend, but now she wonât talk to me. Detectives told me she said I was a ââ¬Ëlying slut.â They wanted to know if I was there (at the trailer) that night or if she told me anything, but I wasnât there and I donât know what happened. I took a lie detector test and they told me I passed.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/
NN says she was at Lindseys after dropping Misty at her brothers home that Sunday morning at 4am. She then crashed at Lindseys til 4pm on the 9th of Feb 2009. Then allegedly went to donnies thereafter. HMMM Thats a lot of sleep. She would have been back in the Satsuma area prior to haleighs disappearance and rested up by her own account.jmo
NO ONE in this group is credible!!!! JMO
March 4th, 2013 at 11:06 am
Ron told Cobra that he was aware of Misty and WBGs hook up in march 2009 when they were planning the reinactment that Misty refused to do when it came down to it.
NN came out in April 2009 with a more detailed account of that wild weekend after Cobra bailed out she and Amber Brooks for trying to get Cocaine into the jail.
Ron told Cobra that Haleighs disappearance had nothing to do with Mistys hook-up that weekend .
These people all claim they dont know each other at times, but it is in my opinion that they all knew each other too well.
jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 11:15 am
According to Mrs. Lookado she saw 3 grils with her son in the car on that wed or thursday. She claimed it was Amber Brooks. WBG said he met Misty on Thursday then hung with her the day after ( Friday) this is when NN says the Lindsey girl is now with them; not on Thursday. I wonder who the third girl, WBGs mom saw on that Thursday. WBG said he last saw Misty at 4am on Sunday morning . He never mentions no others being with he ,NN and Misty on that weekend.
jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 11:17 am
for 776 the link to that info is on post 774
jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 11:30 am
We’ll never agree on the the motives of TJH, AH and NG and that’s okay. They are all MIA re this case anyway and imo that’s better than okay because I find it laughable (and somewhat scary) to see their names and “investigative journalist” in the same sentence but that’s jmo.
It’s also mo that this case is FUBAR because all the players are dirty, hense the lying. Add to that, the self serving agendas, shoddy “reporting,” hoaxes and game playing and 4 yrs later we still don’t know what happened to Haleigh. There ARE reasons for that.
March 4th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
look at this comment from back then on this link
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/exclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks/#idc-cover
This person definitely is from the Putnam County area and has blessed us with pics and Rons illustration of his drive from PDM to home.
Tim Miller told us of a girl who said Misty was not home. It looks like there was more than one person stating the same. Everyone can draw their own conclusion. This is way back from April 2009.
Ger · 201 weeks ago
Art,
In trying to get names from those around here, citing rumors, etc. is difficult at best. I know, as I’ve been trying to get to the root of the rumor that’s been circulating amongst the teen/early 20 set of kids. They’re claiming that Misty was out that night scoring some coke, they know they claim, cause they were there scoring some themselves. I ask why these people who make this claim won’t go to Law enforcement and I get that ‘dumb’ look… Oh yeah, DUH! They don’t want to implicate themselves into any wrong doing.
Here’s the rub, it’s going to have to be someone who isn’t involved in LE, like Cobra who is able to dig and go with the roll of things. Then, maybe then…something will break and that one thing, that one tip will be the deal breaker that LE needs to wrap this case up.
jmo
If Misty had to go out to score the cocaine then she could not of been receiving it at Rons MH. Any thoughts on this???
according to Tim Millers witness Misty was snorting oxys and having a threesome when she arrived to get her drugs although she was on probation.
jmo
jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
I agree there is reasons for all the lying, hoaxes and self serving agendas.
It all is hurting the resolve of finding what happened and locating Haleigh. jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
why would she have to go out for the cocaine if it was being delivered to her by Jane and WBG??????
Tim Miller told us that where Misty was supposed to have been at by his witness were friends with R and M. WBG claims to not know Ron.hmmmmmm
jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
781 is in reference to the info on 779 which is in spam at the moment.jmo
March 4th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Re #779
One reason could be that eventually WBG ran out. We don’t know how many people he served at the mh, assuming Jane’s story is true. Imo, it’s very possible that Misty left at some point.
March 4th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
true WBG could have ran out.jmo
March 6th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Joe will be in court Thursday for his probation violation..wonder if they will send him up the river? He was serving 2 years probation…and then theres that pesky needing to give truthfull testimony against Brandon F. (who still hasnt been extradited to Tenn. and sits in Cobb county GA jail)
jmo
March 6th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Tobias, Thanks for keeping track of Joe. You’d think he offer something up about Haleigh in exchange for hard time. I guess we’ll see.
March 7th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
yw I try to keep up with the jail and county clerk sites…hope he talks if he knows anything at all. jmo
March 8th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Joe is evidently being held over for his POV next trial date 27 and 28 for the more recent charges…
guess he isnt getting off lightly this time..jmo
March 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
SKB,Do you know if there was any contact by any of these people to the Outlaws Motor cycle club? jmo
March 12th, 2013 at 10:45 am
Mr.Brown, I hope you are doing better.
I was wondering if you are going to put up anymore info in reference to Haleigh here on the blog?
jmo
March 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
skb Do you feel PCSD is really looking into this case any more or just following recent tips? I wonder because there has been some recent arrests of people who had some possible involvement..Joe Pytko, NayNay, Kelly Dodd, and Joe overstreet (and others we may not know about) Jane was arrested several months ago also…yet it seems there is no movement..I have to wonder if PCSD is also waiting on some miracle like TN and AS. JMO
March 15th, 2013 at 3:10 am
just checking in for updates. Oh my God, what does it take to get this bunch of criminals to talk? They are always in trouble, why hasn’t somebody snitched? Honestly, I’ve gotten to the point where I don’t think more than 2 people know what happened. I’m back to thinking that Misty left and got home to Haleigh being gone or dead-so she called Tommy, for help. I think they might have involved others later, and whoever was with Misty knows she wasn’t home, but I don’t think anybody knows what happened except these two. Remember when she told the cops to talk to Tommy, because he knows everything? Was this the truth or did the cops lie to get Tommy to talk? make him think Misty gave him permission to rat her out? Maybe they should tell Misty that Tommy has given His permission for her to talk. That’s one of the problems with keeping up with a case like this. Cops lie. Remember the story about the party at the river and Haleigh overdosing? and the black bag? Maybe there was some truth there. But as long as this has gone on, I seriously doubt all of this started with an overdose, accidental or otherwise. I think somebody either strangled her, (like Tommy alluded to), or shot her. Otherwise, they would have fessed up about the od and pointed fingers elsewhere. I think they’ve all forgotten about Haleigh and have moved on with their sorry lives. They would rather rot away in prison than tell the truth.
March 15th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Just checking in to see if there is any news. Personally, I don’t think any investigation or time is being spent by LE on this case. I think that there are a lot of skeletons in the closet in LE in that area and they can’t risk anyone revealing their secrets.
March 16th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Well lookie who got arrested once again..Kelly is on a real downward spiral..she was just arrested for prostution and drugs..the girl needs some intervention big time.. jmo
March 18th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
I spent a little time talking with Kelly. Sorry to see this.
March 18th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Cheryl, Nice to hear from you. I don’t think Haleigh was shot. One, although it has not been released by the PCSO, there was no blood found in the mobile home. That comes to me from a reliable source. Two, I think the next door neighbors would have heard a gunshot and reported it when they were questioned by the police.
March 18th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
I don’t know what the PCSO is doing. They don’t check in with me. I haven’t spoken to them since last spring because of this bone marrow transplant. Another few months and I’ll be back on the case. I just can’t risk exposing myself to all of the germs floating around. Currently I have no immune system, but in June (I think) they’ll start giving me those childhood vaccinations, polio, etc. Once I have those I should be good to go. Until then I have to keep a very low profile. I do have a plan which I am going to carry out which I hope will bring some conclusion to this matter. Of course, that is just a hope and not a guarantee.
March 18th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
LFJ, yes, I promise I will post a new section this week on the Haleigh case. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it makes for interesting speculation.
March 18th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Tobias, I do know that Ron’s uncle was a member of a motorcycle gang. In fact, it was that gang that returned to the PCSO the infamous “machine gun” that Joe was allegedly seeking. I do not remember the name of that group though.
March 19th, 2013 at 9:28 am
SKB, Did you see who she was arrested with? An older man who just happens to live on Hickory road..just steps from the recent search area on Hoot Owl Road..this is one reason I thought it was important to post that she was once again in trouble. jmo
March 19th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
If I’m not misremembering, LOL, I think the motorcycle club name was Kings Highwaymen?? I’ll have to check.
March 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
thanks a lot Mr.Brown.
The biker club was called the Kingsmen. This is where CC said Ron would hang out all the time . She referred to the place as behind the big fence. It is a private place. This place could only be searched with permission or a warrant for probable cause. IDK if it has ever been searched. Ron made a statement in an interview that he knew that areas that were private property were not searched. This place is also located near lake Como. It is right around Paradise Shores. Tim and CC lived down bty Paradise shores also. The place is called the Hide Away Bar. The search in reference to Haleigh on march 13,th 2009. the day R and M married, was from hwy 17and 309 on both sides of hwy 17 to paradise shores. Rons dad and Uncle are members of this club. jmo
March 20th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
here are Rons Uncle and daddy jmo
http://victimsheartland.forumotion.com/t2203-freddie-wayne-cummings-arrested-for-firing-gun-in-public-it-was-a-family-thing
jmo
March 20th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
just to clarify at the time Haleigh disappeared Tim and CC was said to be living 3 miles ( per CC )from Rons and Tommys homes. They would either have been living on sunglow or with Lisa and Hank Sr at the time off Magnolia in shell Harbour. Crescent city ( paradise shores) is 10 to 12 miles from Rons and Tommys. This is where CC and Tim lived when they moved to Mass in late July 2009. Funny this is also the time frame the rumor came out and right before Rons and Tommys fight on August 5, 2009 at granny sykes home. Ron was arrested early am on August 6th 2009. The rumor is in a post above and followed by a link to the timeline of Haleighs case. jmo
March 20th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
post 688 has the rumor and timeline link. This way no one has to go searching.jmo
March 22nd, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Seems Cobra has a law suit going…hope he wins it..jmo
March 22nd, 2013 at 2:49 pm
LOL, it looks like I had dyslexia while guessing the name of the biker gang. Sorry about that.
March 24th, 2013 at 11:34 am
hello lone. I did not see your post on the name of the biker club. No need to be sorry. It has been a long time this case has been going on and a lot of info.jmo
March 24th, 2013 at 11:38 am
I hope Cobra wins his suit as well. jmo
March 24th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
What is his lawsuit about?
March 25th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Cobras insurance company and CE Parrish changed their minds mid stream on revoking Snodgrasses bond and left Cobra swinging in the air for court and fines. This caused him to lose his license and his way to make a living…its clear they allowed Cobra to pick up the file so he could revoke the bond..then after Cobra had Snodgrass in custody they called and said to release him..then they did noting to help him when Snodgrass took him to court.
jmo
March 25th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Here you go Mr.Brown.
http://www.bloggernews.net/128985 jmo
March 27th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
hOPE cOBRA WINS..Wonder if there will be depositions from certain parties in this lawsuit????
Now that would be pretty interesting…jmo
March 28th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Oh yes! it would be interesting, Tobias.I hope Simon and Jan keep us updated with the proceedings. jmo
March 28th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
well if there were witnesses when Cobra was at Chucks they are going to be called in to verify what went on so yes it will be interesting…and some are going to be questioned as to why a felon was doing work at that bail bonds agency..should be realllly interesting. jmo
March 31st, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Happy Easter everyone.
Just checking to see if anything new was up. God Bless everyone.jmo
April 1st, 2013 at 7:57 pm
I was checking in too, was hoping Mr. Brown had posted something about the case. I guess its a waiting game….Happy Easter to you all too.
I wonder if AS is out of the hospital? jmo
April 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 am
Hope your health is getting better..waiting to see what happens when you can go out and investigate again jmo
April 6th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
DODD, KELLY NICOLE (W / FEMALE)
Status: In Jail
Booking No: PCSO13JBN001257
Booking Date: 04/05/2013 22:33:04
Age On Booking Date: 18
Bond Amount: NO BOND
CELL Assigned:
Facility: PCSO , Tower: C , Dorm: MP , Pod: MP , Cell No: 001 Visitation Schedule
Address Given: 112 WOODCREST AVE SATSUMA FL 32189
CHARGES
STATUTE CASENO CHARGE DEGREE LEVEL BOND
784.03.1a1 130666MM (PALATKA POLICE DEPARTMENT) BATTERY F M NO BOND
812.014.2c1 130666MM (PALATKA POLICE DEPARTMENT) LARC T F NO BOND
893.13.6b 000-0000 (PUTNAM COUNTY SHERIFF) MARIJUANA-POSSESS F M $504.00
893.147.1 000-0000 (PUTNAM COUNTY SHERIFF) DRUG EQUIP-POSSESS F M $504.00
April 6th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Darn! this girl has not learned yet??? Another lost soul just like her sister Nay Nay. One would think after seeing her sisters life she would take a different route, but I guess Nays Nays life looked pretty good to her. What a shame!
NO bond as well. Makes me really sad to see these young kids just continue to make poor decisions and ruin their lives.jmo
April 8th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Doubt she will, it seems she doesnt have the mindset to better her life…NayNay is one thing but her older sisters life and death should have woke both of them up to what the streets have to offer. drug abuse,prison and early death..jmo
April 8th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
i ALSO SAW THERE ARE SOME RECENT DEATHS THAT ARE BEING SAID TO BE NATURAL (HEART ATTACKS) AT THE AGE OF 26…EVEN THOUGH THERE IS DRUG ABUSE AND DOCUMENTED PRISON TIME FOR THE OFFENSE…ALL I CAN SAY IS WOW…WAY TO KEEP THE STATS LOW? HMMM. JMO
April 10th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Just checking in guess nothing new?
April 11th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Sorry for being so MIA lately. I promise to get a post up this weekend, probably tomorrow on Haleigh. As I’ve said before, it’s not new stuff but it will be new to you guys. And it may make you pause and think. It did me.
April 12th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Thanks will be looking forward to it…my week has been the pits..3 flat tires…my commute is getting expensive LOL I should buy stock in Goodyear. jmo
April 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Yeah I see what you mean Tobias on the young deaths.
That would be great Mr.Brown. I cant wait to read it.
Sorry you had such a frustrating weekend. That would be very expensive. Thanks to you they made their profit margin this month. LOL.
Stay safe up there. jmo
April 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Lisa must be getting lonely she has visitors coming…hope they stay out of trouble…jmo
April 13th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
ame: Overstreet, Joseph Edward Date of Birth: 08-JUN-89
Disposition: 40-35-313-judgment deferred-no conviction Disposition Date: 12-APR-13
Case Type: CC Case Number: 2012-B-1514 Offense Date: 10-MAR-12 Citation/Arrest Date: 08-JUN-12 Case Status: CLOSED
Charged Offense: Contr. Del. of Minor Amended Offense: Convicted Offense: Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor Convicted Type (F/M): MISD
Concurrent with:Consecutive to:
Appearance Details:
Date: 12-APR-13 Judge: Wyatt, J. Randall Court Room: Birch Bldg, Court Room 6B
Attorney: Sirgo, Shawn P. Reason:*Probation Violation
Incarceration:
Location:Davidson County Sheriff’s Facility Years:Months:11Days:29Hours:Percentage:
Suspend All But:SAB%:Day for Day?:NHour for Hour?:NReport Date:
Suspend?:NNo Work Default?:NWork Release?:NWork Release %:No Early Release?:N
Time Served Credit: Months:Days:Hours:
Incarceration Special Condition:pv sustained – def’s sentence is placed into effect and loses 40-35-313 status judge granded 0% work release – truthful testimony in trial of Brandon Fryer – see judgment for jail credit
Court Costs:
Court Costs: $628.50Court Fines: $.00Total Owed: $628.50
Fines Special Condition:
Probation:
Type: Years:0Months:Days:
Probation Special Condition:
Restitution:
$.00
jOE HAS 11 MONTHS AND 29 DAYS IN JAIL AND HE STILL HAS TO GO TO COURT ON THE 26 OF APRIL FOR NEW CHARGES…HE ISNT GETTING OUT ANY TIME SOON..IMO
April 13th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Who is coming to visit Lisa, and when?
April 14th, 2013 at 9:59 am
One of her sisters and she is there now. According to Lisa she picked her up in Gainesville yesterday. jmo
April 16th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Looking forward to reading your new posting, Mr. Brown.
April 18th, 2013 at 9:39 am
I am also patiently waiting to see the new post..jmo
April 18th, 2013 at 9:42 am
PREVATT, KRISTINA RENEE (W / FEMALE)
Status: In Jail
Booking No: PCSO13JBN001419
Booking Date: 04/17/2013 18:20:28
Age On Booking Date: 22
Bond Amount: $2008.00
CELL Assigned:
Facility: PCSO , Tower: C , Dorm: FQ , Pod: FQ , Cell No: 001 Visitation Schedule
Address Given: 325 TROPIC AVE San Mateo FL 32187
CHARGES
STATUTE CASENO CHARGE DEGREE LEVEL BOND
893.13.6a 130234CF (PUTNAM COUNTY SHERIFF) DRUGS-POSSESS T F $1004.00
April 18th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
ditto for me too. waiting patiently for the new blog. jmo
April 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am
I see Kristina made bail.
April 21st, 2013 at 12:44 pm
dont she always?? They know she will be back soon. It is a family affair between she and her sis Kelly. SAD Sad Sad.!!! jmo