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Where was Haleigh Cummings When She Disappeared?
Author: Steven Kerry Brown10.10.2011
Where was Haleigh When She Disappeared?
I think the following blog post will upset a number of theorists as to what really happened to Haleigh, and where it happened. I know there is a contingent out there that believe Haleigh was not at the mobile home when she was murdered/taken. But she was. To show you my reasoning on this I’ll begin with who picked up Haleigh at the bus stop.
Chelsea Croslin
First, a disclaimer. I am reproducing here material that was transcribed by my secretary, a recorded statement between Chelsea Croslin and myself. I believe Chelsea to be telling the truth but I assume no liability for any of her words or accusations concerning others and their behaviors.
I was not at the bus stop so certainly I don’t have any first hand knowledge of what transpired there. It is really unimportant as you’ll see later but let’s clear up what we can as we go along.
I spent some time speaking with Chelsea Croslin on this very topic and have no reason to believe she was attempting to mislead me, She appeared truthful in every detail. She had no reason not to be. There would have been no reason for her to do so because of information that put Haleigh at the mobile home on Green Lane later in the day.
I took a recorded statement from Chelsea as we rode from the Jacksonville Airport where I picked her up in my car, and transported her to Palatka where she was to pick up Hank’s and Lisa’s car which had been impounded. Both Hank and Lisa were in jail, their rent was due, and their belongings were going to be put out on the curb where they had been residing. This trip gave us plenty of time to talk and I spent the better part of the day with Chelsea.
I think to understand the relationships between Ron, Timmy, Tommy, Chelsea, Lisa, Hank, Misty, Grandma Sykes, Terresa Neves, you’ll need to read more of the interview I had with Chelsea. I’m not going to put the entire interview up at this time as it’s 34 pages long, but I will post a potion that deals with the “wild-weekend” before Haliegh disappeared.
Chelsea: Amber Brooks, yep. So, Misty and Amber had been talking and I had been friends with Amber, an associate of you know because it was Misty’s friend I was always try to be nice to whoever Misty was friends with. Because if you weren’t then Misty would take off with them. You know, so you always had to get along with whoever Misty got along with. Misty is leader, not a follower. She always has been. Um, she, I remember when the baby, when Ronald’s son, Jordan was only two weeks old, Ronald kidnapped Jordan. And he took him for a week. And the whole time I was on Amber’s side. I didn’t know Ronald or I just believed everything Amber told me. He was a woman beater. He beat her. He was older. He took advantage of her. He had this child with her. You know, now he stole her child. So me and Lindsey were called the police. We called Putnam County police every single day for days straight. Reporting a missing child. We wanted to know, you know, for them to find Jordan. For them to bring Jordan back. You know, Amber was the biological mother. Well they said that you know Ronald was the biological father and unless he crossed state lines or unless there was proof of foul play they weren’t going to even look into it. So they never acknowledged it. So then eventually a few months later Misty and Amber weren’t talking and they weren’t friends.
Amber Brooks with Jordan
Steve: Was that Palatka Police Department, Putnam County Sheriff’s Office too?
Chelsea: Um, I know that we called like we called actually both, Putnam County Sheriff and we called the Flagler County because in Flagler County it’s different rules. The biological mother no mater what unless you are married is who is in charge of the child.
Steve: Has custody, right.
Chelsea: So that is why we called them to try and get them to pull their rights out in Palatka, Putnam County and come help us get Jordan back for Amber. Um, you know, but eventually she ended up getting her son back whenever she got along with Ronald again. She got her kid back, um about a week later. And a few months went by and Misty and Amber had argued over some stupid stuff, clothes or something and they quit being friends. So which was a relief to all of us because Amber was just like a junky little girl. She wasn’t somebody we wanted Misty hanging out with anyways. But, so we got, you know, she got out of the picture. Um, me and Misty were, I remember Misty the first time I ever seen Ronald, Misty said, I’ve been talking to this boy, she said, and um, I was talking to him on the phone at the bus stop and I look over and there’s a guy sitting on his hood of his car and he’s looks like he’s saying everything that he is saying to me on the phone. So Misty rolled down the window and said, “Are we talking to each other?” And Ronald said, “ Oh my god, you’re Misty?” and then they met at the bus stop. But they were talking over the phone because they had been talking about Amber and stuff like that. So they end up meeting at the bus stop. And she didn’t want me, anybody to know who he was. She brings me to the bus stop one day and she tells me not to get out of the car but look that’s Ronald right there and I was like OK, he’s kinda cute. How old is he? And she says, he’s nineteen. And she is sixteen. And I’m like OK, you know, don’t tell your brothers that, but make him eighteen in Tommy and Tim’s eyes, you know make him just turned eighteen. That’s not too bad, they won’t be too angry about that. So, that didn’t work right off the bat Misty slipped up and said nineteen just like she did to me so the boys believe that Ronald was nineteen in the beginning.
Steve: So how old was he really?
Chelsea: Twenty-five.
Steve: And Misty was?
Chelsea: Sixteen.
Misty Croslin and Steven Kerry Brown
Steve: Sixteen.
Chelsea: Um, so they believed it in the beginning. So then he, Tim started telling me that there is no way, first of all this kid’s always got beer. He is buying alcohol and liquor. I’m like all right honey, he is twenty-one, I just didn’t want to tell you. I was like we knew that um, you would get mad. Tim was like whatever. You know they were dating. As long as he is nice to my sister and he goes and he talks to Ronald and he tells him, you know, look you know I just found out you are twenty-one and Ronald says no, today is my twenty-sixth birthday. So Tim goes really you’re twenty-six and you are with my sixteen year old sister that’s a big difference, you know, he’s like, you know I mean, you have to take care of my sister, like don’t you know be taking advantage of her. Ronald’s all no, no, no. Ronald played the sweetest guy in the world in the beginning. He spoiled Misty. He put her on a pedestal. He made her feel like the princess of the world. That’s why she wanted to be with him. Because he took care of her. He bought her clothes. He made her feel special. Her and Haleigh would get matching shoes and matching clothes and Misty felt apart of a family. Almost something I guess that she had always wanted. You know, to feel apart of something. So, she became apart of it. And Ronald and her were talking about they were gonna have a kid together and they were gonna make it a whole family and you know to intertwine Haleigh and Junior with their child. And then they wanted; Ronald starts talking about fighting for custody for Jordan and all this crazy stuff you know. Then they eventually after about two months of dating it was more Misty stayed for the kids because she loved Junior and she loved Haleigh. Ronald at that point had turned into a control freak. He was never around because he was at work. And when he was off work he wasn’t around because he was out with his dad’s biker gang or whoever those people are that live behind the big fence. Um, they’ve got like this whole club. Like a bike club or something behind a big privacy fence. And they’ve got like security and stuff to check you in. Ronald’s dad I guess is like some big time person. I don’t know who he is but Lester I mean I know him, I don’t know about his life or what this secret club is that they have. But, um, Ronald would always be over there. He would be drinking or he would just be out high and you know it got to the point where he was always on pills. He was just like nodding in and out. He was becoming an embarrassment for Misty to even have around everybody. She was like, this sucks really, you know. I got this guy that basically I’m his live-in babysitter and his use for sex and that’s it. That’s all he ever wanted out of her so Misty broke up with him like four times. Kept trying to leave but he would always send Granny or Teresa over or send the kids up to the door to draw her back in. So, I mean I remember one day Haleigh and Granny was in the driveway and Haleigh was at the front door and she was going come on Misty, come on, come outside. And I was like, Haleigh just come in here, she was sick. Misty was…
Steve: Now was this your place?
Chelsea: Lindsey’s house.
Steve: On Tyler Lane?
Chelsea: On Tyler yeah. She was Misty was pretending to be sick. She didn’t want to go babysit the kids and Granny was trying to make them and Misty was in the bathroom pretending to puke and Haleigh was going your not puking, your not puking, I can hear you. She’s like come out here. I don’t want to be with Granny, I want to be with you Misty. So when Misty would hear that, that’s a soft spot. She would give in. She would be like ok. And she would go right back to the kids and deal with whatever Ronald’s drama was. And that was how it was the weekend before. Misty had officially left the weekend before. Taken all of her stuff out. What was left Ronald had gone and thrown in Nana’s front yard. Made a huge scene. You know was blowing her phone up all weekend long. Misty was ignoring him. She obviously had met Greg. And started dating Greg that weekend.
Steve: What do you know about that weekend?
Chelsea: Well, I did see them that one night.
Steve: Now are we talking about the wild weekend before…?
Chelsea: The wild weekend before Haleigh went missing, yes. She left on a Thursday. I had a huge part in that, I mean I was the one who was like, just go, you know there is no reason, I got her to get away from him. Go hang out with Nay Nay and everybody. You guys are gonna go have fun. So she gets away and she ends up meeting Greg.
Greg Page aka White Boy Greg
I did have a bad feeling about something she was doing because I did go to Lisa’s house over by Shell Bluff. Um, me and Lisa did and Hank was already in the hospital at that point and um we went over there just to get some clothes and when we got there Misty and Nay Nay and everybody was taking showers at the house and they were all getting all dressed up. And I heard one of girls and there was a girl named Lindsey that was with them. She said something about we are going to work. So I pulled Lisa in the bedroom and I said, “Lili”. I said, “Lili did you hear what that little girl just said?” “They are taking showers.” “They are getting clean.” “They are getting dressed pretty and they are going to work.” I was doesn’t that sound like hooking? Like prostitution? I mean, go out there and find out what your daughter is doing. I wanted to like figure out what was going on without putting Misty on the spot because then Misty would run and never talk to me again if I made a big scene in front of all of her friends. So then Lili just started freaking out and she was like everybody get out of my house. And just kicked everybody out of the house. And um, you know then we didn’t even know that Misty was back with Ronald. I was at, I seen Haleigh get off the bus that day. I was there. I didn’t know anybody was gonna be there. I hadn’t talked to Misty.
Steve: This was on Friday, then?
Chelsea: Um, no by Monday.
Steve: Oh, Monday?
Chelsea: The last day that anybody had seen her.
Steve: Who picked up Haleigh?
Chelsea: Ronald. It was the purple car; its fully tinted windows and all windows were rolled up. Um, I was in the van. I saw his car parked there. I pulled the van, Lindsey’s van directly next to Ronald’s car. I had my daughter Destiny in the car with me and I was like, she was like Uncle Ronald yelling at him. And he was not acknowledging her. And um, so I get out of the car and I sit on the hood and I’m smoking a cigarette trying to see if maybe that’s what Ronald usually does is get out of the car and wait like everyone else. He wouldn’t get out of the car and so Haleigh gets off the bus and she comes running off and her and her Austin, my nephew come running off the bus. And Haleigh is all happy and has got a big smile on her face. And she has her backpack in her hand and she is running and she is like Hi Destiny and Destiny is like hi Haleigh, screaming at her. Haleigh is like, Destiny is like, um, are you gonna come play with me? And Haleigh is like, yeah, later on, I love you, (smooch) and blew her a kiss. And stuck her hands around her face and cupped her hands around her eyes and stuck her head up against the passenger side of Ronald’s car…
Steve: Now this is Haleigh?
Chelsea: Yes, Haleigh looked in the car and whatever she saw got her super excited. She jumps in the back seat of the car and they bolt.
Steve: So you think Misty was in the car?
Chelsea: I think Misty was in the car. So she must have been like yeah, Misty is home. You know after the whole weekend of not seeing her, Misty came home. Because, it was just weird. I, I, just how she just looked into the window. And seen her and she jumped into the backseat and she was all happy. You know that was the last time that I ever seen Haleigh, just, you know happy. So at least I can say that part, you know. But, so she obviously knew that Haleigh, that Misty was in the car. So, (phone ringing) (laughing) um, so Haleigh and Ronald and Misty and all of them left by the time I make it back to the bus stop I’m super mad or back from the bus stop to the house I’m mad …
Steve: At Misty?
Chelsea: …at Ronald.
Steve: Oh, ok.
Chelsea: I’m mad because I didn’t know that Misty was in the car. I’m mad at Ronald because he didn’t let Junior get out and play with Destiny. He didn’t acknowledge me. He didn’t, you know, he had owed Tim twenty dollars, I’m like is that the whole reason over twenty dollars you are gonna make Haleigh not talk to Destiny if they haven’t seen each other? In four or five days, I mean that’s a long time for the kids. They were used to being together twenty-four seven. So I go home and I’m mad. I’m like, Tim you’d better you know go talk to Ronald, blah, blah, blah. I start flipping out. And he is like, calm down, don’t worry about it. I’ll stop him when he comes out. So I go back inside with Austin and I’m pulling out his thing to check his schoolbook and see how he did that day. Because Austin sometimes gets sad faces and that is when he would have to do homework and go in his room. So I was in there with Austin and I come outside and I was like are you not going to go talk to Ronald. And he is like I just saw Ronald; look I have my twenty dollars. I was like so who was in the car with him? And he was like, just Ronald. And I was like why was Haleigh so excited and Tim was like what are you talking about? I was like, I don’t know. She was all excited and stuck her hands on the window. I was like who was there? Tim was like I don’t know. So he calls Misty’s cell phone. Misty answers the phone or Misty ignores the phone the first few times that he calls. Me and Tim leave the neighborhood to go home and Misty calls back as we’re already pulling out of Buffalo Bluff. And she is like; I’m down here at Ronald’s house. Tim is like, why are you there? You know, what are you doing? Why would you go back? And I’m like in the passenger seat and I’m yelling at her through the phone and you know I guess her excuse was Ronald said he had no body to watch the kids and he needed somebody to babysit them. Misty told him she didn’t want to. She was too tired. She had a long weekend. And he said, you know they weren’t together. But just, you know could you do this for the kids?
—-End of this portion of transcript.—
So I don’t think there is any doubt that Haleigh and Misty were at the mobile home at 202 Green Lane on February 9, 2009.
Subsequently, both Misty and Tommy told me individually and together that Tommy was at the mobile home late afternoon of February 9 when the A/C repairman was there. Ronald had left for work and Misty and Tommy were smoking a joint either on the front porch or under the tree in front of the house. Again they had no reason to lie about this. While I don’t have access to the interview of the A/C guy performed by the PCSO my sources there also tell me this is true.
Specificity in details is often an indicator of the truth. In my investigative experience, when an informant tells you that there is a kilo of cocaine located in someone’s house. Well that’s one thing. But when that informant says there is a kilo of cocaine, and it’s in the bottom drawer in the kitchen under a blue kitchen towel, well those specific details make their story much more believable. This is also a fact of law considered when issuing search warrants.
Tommy told me that Haleigh was doing wheelies on her big wheel out in the front yard. Tommy also told me that the A/C guy did not use the back/side door. Apparently the A/C man told the PCSO the same thing. Corroboration in specific details again is an indicator of factual events.
In all of my investigation, I have seen no indication that Haleigh was anyplace other than at 202 Green Lane on February 9 until she was taken from that residence. I know this conclusion is upsetting to those that believe she was someplace else when she was murdered/abducted. But that’s the breaks.
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October 11th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Thank you for doing this for us MR Brown. This is what all of those involved have stated from the beginning. Also I understand that Chelsea did not ever actually see MC in the van that day, as was previously thought. MC claimed she was home because JR was sleeping. So I guess there is no one other than RC and MC to verify that fact.
I do believe HaLeigh was abducted from the MH that night and always have. Beyond that and I am just to unsure of anything due to so many unanswered questions I still have.
I do have a question here for you. TC states they were in the front of the MH or front yard smoking a joint. How would he know the AC guy did not use a door on the back side of the house? TC knowing if the AC guy used a door clearly out of his view? How can he be so sure?
If the AC guy did use the door and a child was abducted with no signs of forced entry…would the person (the AC guy , MC or even RC) who left the door unlocked really admit to that? How WAS the AC guy cleared? What was his alibi from 12 to 3 AM? I remember you said that normally a break in etc, is done by someone who you know or who has been around before or someone they know. I am just curious how LE cleared so many people so quickly at the odd hours of 10 PM to 3 AM when most people are sleeping and can not prove it.
The back door being propped open has always been a problem for me. 2 or more involved…why the need to prop a door? Has anyone given you any reason for that?
I find it interesting that you feel specific detail suggests a person is telling the truth. I have heard so many times that too much detail means a person is lying. Your example of the drugs in the drawer is a little different. Telling a location of something should be more detailed IMO. Is there a difference when someone has too much detail of an incident/event or of recounting their actions? I remember in the CA case, she gave very specific details of the “Nanny” and many other things. We know now it was all lies. Everything CA told was very detailed, very specific. How does one know when specific details are too much, or lies?
Was there ever a reason given for RC taking Jordan? That seems to be a pretty big thing for LE to just sweep under the rug in another related child’s abduction case IMO
Finally do you believe MC really wanted to end the relationship with RC?
Do you have plans to speak to MC in greater detail now that she is in prison?
Most of my questions here are just nagging little things that have been around awhile that have never been answered before. Hope you don’t mind putting them to rest if you can.
Thanks again for all you are doing. I hope your health is improving, as I remember you mentioned some health issues you were having.
October 11th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Thanks Mr Brown. I wonder why Misty and Ronald lied about her being at the bus stop. I understand why they didn’t want Chelsea and her brothers to know that day but iirc, Misty said she stayed home w/ jr because he was sleeping.
Why do you think they didn’t want anyone to know she was in the purple car w/ Ronald? Also, do you know where jr was? Was he in the car too?
October 11th, 2011 at 11:03 am
I feel you could have talked with Amber to match up stories since Chelsea would be personally involved and her statements have been all over the place. Truthfully she seems to be too involved, her own husband Timmy (Mistys brother)isnt even involved, has never made any statement, the only time he has spoken is in the jail phone calls. And he said they both failed their LDTs.
I am not doubting that she told some of the truth but some is suspect. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Also if you listen to everyones story about Misty since she was 14 years old (when she ran away to New Jersey) Misty has been out of control. When someone trys to stop her she runs, isnt that what was said? So this family knows Misty is 16 and out getting high, prostituting, having relations with way older men and they do nothing because Misty may run? Sounds pretty much like a ticking time bomb about to go off. What would happen if Haleigh stood in her way???? jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 11:35 am
If what Chelsea said re Misty and Amber is true, Misty is a vindictive little thing. She’s friends w/ Amber, they fall out over something stupid, like clothes…she hooks up w/ Ronald and they conspire to take Jordan. I believe it be cause her entry on myspace confirms it. MO
The more I hear about Misty and Ronald the more disgusted I get…even when I don’t think it’s possible to get anymore disgusted.
October 11th, 2011 at 11:46 am
I noticed something else in this story, Timmy is very functional after the wreck. Chelsea said Timmy was at Tommys that day and waved Ron down and got his $20. Doesnt match with her original story of Timmy being in bed on pain killers because of the wreck. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Misty has turned on/pointed fingers at every member of her family except Timmy. If she ever turns on Timmy I’m sure Chelsea will remember more, possibly incriminating stuff, lol. Imo, it’s just a matter of time.
October 11th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
The whole story about how Misty met Ron is suspect. Really, they all believed Amber about Ron then after Amber and Misty quit talking Ron shows up and all that happened is over? This is a lie and you know it from the charges filed on Lisa Brooks by Misty and Chelsea.I have a different thought on that and it was Misty being involved in the taking of Jordan along with Ron. Lisa Brooks came down there to get Jordan from them and a fight broke out. My theory I believe is closer to the truth. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
There are rumors Chelsea and Timmy are no longer together, wonder if she a different tune now? Or is that why Timmy left? He is sick of hearing about Mistys problems? hmmm. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Tobias- I didn’t know they weren’t together anymore.
The part that really stands out to me is how they use these children as weapons against each other. And I suspect this has gone on for generations. AS has a record of interferring w/ custody.
At least Ronald and Misty won’t be able to procreate for awhile. That’s some consolation. MO
October 11th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
I believe if they werent in prison they more than likely wouldnt be alive at the rate they were doing drugs etc. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
This is still one persons word over anothers. Why would Ron make up a different story? Why would Misty make up a different story? Why would Santos make up a story? Now Chelsea has one.
This is crazy we have 4 different stories about who was there picking up Haleigh. And the only person who has no relative or reason to lie is Santos… Did you speak with him about this time?
Being a Monday (beginning of the week I doubt it would be mixed up with Friday. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
The point is, it doesn’t really make any difference who was in the van when Haleigh was picked up. Whether Misty was there or not is immaterial. Misty called Chelsea and told her that she was at the mobile home on Green Lane with Jr. Chelsea didn’t see Misty in the van. The point is that Misty, Haleigh, and Jr. were all at the mobile home after Haleigh got home from school. Even though Misty didn’t want to be there, apparently Ron and his family were laying a guilt trip on her that she needed to babysit. How things would have been different if AS or TN had volunteered to babysit instead of forcing Misty to. I’m sure they had better things to do. (Ha) Pure selfishness on their part, to ask 16 year old Misty to babysit Ron’s kids. Ron picked up Haleigh. If Misty was in the van, fine. If she wan’t fine. It makes no difference. We have all of the players at the mobile home after Haleigh got home from school. That’s what is important. There are those that say Haleigh wasn’t there. Other’s say Ron put Haleigh on his lap in in some apparent fore thought attempt to get her DNA on his clothes. Her DNA would have been all over his clothes anyway.
I listened to Santos interview that he did with Art Harris, thanks Tobias for the links. I think Santos is mistaken as he says he clearly saw Misty in the van. Well, then why didn’t Chelsea see her there. Nevertheless. It makes no difference. What I wanted to show is that all of the players were at the mobile home after Haleigh got home from school. I wanted to put to rest those who like to theorize that Haleigh never made it home and was abducted from someplace other than 202 Green Lane.
October 11th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
That’s exactly what I’d like to know. Why is who picked her up so significant that 3 people would lie about it?
I agree that Santos’ gf has no stake in any of this and that is why I believed her.
Chelsea said the windows were heavily tinted. If she could see Ronald why couldn’t she see anyone else? Was Misty hiding? Where was jr? Later in the interview Chelsea says she was mad at Ronald for not letting jr out to play w/ Destiny but she never said she saw jr in the car. Did she just assume he was there?
All Chelsea knows for sure is that she saw Haleigh get in the purple car and that later Misty called Timmy and said she was at Ronald’s to watch the kids. Misty could’ve been anywhere when she made that call.
October 11th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Mr Brown, the only reason why it matters to me who picked her up is because it seems to matter so much to them that they come up w/ all of these different stories. They bring suspicion on themselves w/ their constant lying.
You could be 100% correct but why did they lie about it?
October 11th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
And I think you just hit the nail on the head as far as Annette Sykes and Teresa are concerned. I’ve read that Teresa gave her word to the judge, that she would help Ronald care for the kids. In my opinion, this is the whole motivation for their lies and going on about how mature and great Misty was. They don’t want to admit they had a part in Haleigh being abducted. Annette claimed she dropped by that night, and everything was great, and Teresa said that she sent a relative to check on things. Why didn’t Annette just get the kids and leave? and why didn’t Teresa check herself? Ron throwing Misty’s clothes all over the place, is pretty dramatic, so he obviously cared about her taking off. My first thought was that his mother ran interference, and got Misty back to make him happy, and then didn’t want to own up to it. There have been 2 stories about the babysitting…Teresa either asked Misty, or Misty called Teresa and offered to pay. Either way, nobody wanted to. Annette also said she was mad, because Misty had left Ron without a babysitter for the weekend. There have also been reports that Ron and Misty argued on the phone, over babysitting issues. I read that she wanted to babysit her brother’s kids, but that doesn’t make a lick of sense. If they argued over babysitting, it was probably because she didn’t want to. If nothing else, I think it’s safe to say that Misty didn’t want to babysit. Flora Hollers said she heard that Misty was in on a plot to steal Ron’s gun. If this is true, it would explain why Misty would have asked Teresa to babysit…she knew they were going to be up to no good. I tend to belive Misty did the asking, because of everthing that happened afterwards. IN my opinion, it points to her wanting the kids out of the trailer.
October 11th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
In my opinion, Misty’s phone being turned off blows her whole alibi. Going from arguing with Ron about babysitting, to turning her phone off so she could sleep, doesn’t make sense. Her being up to no good in the trailer or taking off, is what does make sense. Her leaving and then coming home to a dead or missing Haleigh, is what I believed from the beginning. Her screaming and crying on the phone, pointed to shock…or so I thought. Hearing what Flora Hollers said about the gun plot, made me see things a little differently.
October 11th, 2011 at 5:15 pm
Well if Misty did call Tim and Chelsea that day from the MH like she said LE has those phone records. If not Chelsea would be asked why she lied to you about it. Does LE know what she told you? jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Misty has always claimed she was not in the car when Haleigh was picked up, why lie? Chelsea was told that day that Misty was back with Ron so why lie about being in the car after that? Too many lies….. and people lie for only one reason, to cover the truth about something they dont want known. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
I’m not really believing Chelsea. She has said she couldn’t stand Ron. ok. Here, she talks about what a big part she played in getting Misty to ‘date’ Gregg. ok. But, then she tells the ridiculous story of being mad at Ron because of the kids. If she didn’t know they were back together, why would she have expected Ron to act like things were normal? especially if he knew that she had incouraged Misty to leave? That’s weird. And is Austin, Tommy’s kid? Whose house were they in, and why was Chelsea checking his schoolwork? Is she claiming to have picked up Austin? because witnesses put Misty and Linsey at the bus stop. I need to go back and reread this, to clarify the details.
October 11th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
Cheryl, That is so true why would Chelsea expect anything from Ron when she didnt know Misty was back with him. From what she stated at first about the break up it sounded like Ron knew exactly where Misty was, at NayNays. Ron knew she was there because he threw her clothes etc. out there, now how did he know this????? He didnt throw them out at Chelseas where Misty said she was when she first left Ron. Chelsea lives no where near Tropic st. in San Mateo. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Chelsea said she had the van at the bus stop. She called it ‘Lindsey’s van.’ She said Haleigh got in the purple car w/ Ronald. Just sayin…
I never believed a word Sykes and Neves said and still don’t. Imo they were tired of taking care of Ronald’s kids and that’s why they wanted Misty around. Ronald told the judge during the custody hearing that his mother and aunt would help him w/ the kids while he worked. I doubt if AS or TN babysat much, if ever. Not sure about Katrina. Ronald, being the predator that he is gets another young, damaged girl to watch his kids instead, Amber. Then he gets her pregnant, as well. When that ended he moves on to Misty and the rest is history. It turns my stomach to hear any of them claim that they cared about Haleigh. MO
October 11th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
I cant get over how Chelsea called Amber junky when NayNay was way worse but she was alright to be around Misty and go off and party. Oh and WBG yeah he is a real winner too. Way to go Chelsea hope those girls of yours dont take your advice and actually grow up better than you. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
I often wondered if Misty was “working” that night and things went wrong. Seems Chelsea and Lisa both were under the impression this was going on but were afraid to confront Misty on it. Instead Lisa cleared everyone out and off they went. And no one cared.hmmm. jmo
October 11th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
and if I’m not mistaken, that picture of Chelsea up there is a mug shot, so she doesn’t have room to throw stones and all that. According to her, Ron was a pillhead, his family behind the fence was nefarious, oooh, Misty’s friends were bad influences, but she was scared to criticize them, blah, blah, blah…but she and Tim and Tommy and Linsey, and Misty were just an upstanding family, all looking out for each other. I’m sorry, but her details don’t ring true to me. I too think Haleigh was at the trailer that night, so maybe her reasons for lying and embellishing had something to do with protecting Misty that haven’t been figured out yet? She wouldn’t protect Ron, no doubt about that.
October 11th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Witnesses put Linsey at the bus stop…with a guy. I’m guessing Tommy. Tommy, himself said he didn’t go to work that day, because he didn’t have any pills. So, wouldn’t they pick up their own kids? Chelsea didn’t say where Tommy and Linsey were, but according to her, obviously not at home, or she wouldn’t have had to check Austin’s work. She made it seem like she and Tim left pretty quickly, so did they leave Austin home alone?
October 11th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
I agree that Chelsea is trying to make the Croslin’s look way better than they are but Ronald’s family IS nefarious and she isn’t the only one that has talked about the biker club.
I don’t believe Chelsea. I think she’s hiding something, or at the very least, leaving out big chunks of the story. There was probably a lot of illegal stuff going on (probably drug related) and she’ll never tell the whole truth because she’s worried about going to jail and losing her kids. MO
October 12th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Chelsea talking about the prostitution gives Barb F. story to Cobra merit now because she claimed Misty was hooking and no one believed her but now I feel there are several people who knew about what she was doing. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 11:17 am
SKB ,thanks for the article. I cant wait until you post some more of this transcription between you and Chelsea.
I have taken alot of heat for implying that Misty was prostituting. Just like NN, Amber Brooks and the lindsy from St.Augustine whom Misty was with over that weekend. Then you have WBG, the acting pimp. I still am toubled by his comment of calling Misty and NN Rons girls.This implies that Ron got a cut from whatever they brought in. Whether it was drugs or money. Chelsea making this statement gives even more credibility to Barbara Freeman, Cobra and Tim Miller. Tim told us that TN and Ron were aware of Mistys threesome encounters.
Chelsea does Misty no favors whatsoever. Chelsea double talks but still through it all implies Misty is not innocent by any means. Chelsea is telling us that although Misty was uneducated academically she was street smart and did exactly what she wanted. No one stopped her.
In Chelseas version of the bus stop incident which is another version of the ones she told before, she actually corroborates Jerry and Stephanies account of what they saw to some degree.
Chelsea has never stated before that she saw Rons car and moved the van over side by side to his car.That she got out of the van and sat on the hood to smoke a cig.
Jerry and Steph said that Misty was in the van and a red car pulled up with Lyndsey and a guy side by side talking to Misty. Misty telling them they had gotten some bad stuff the night before and would not be getting it from there anymore. Chelsea places she and Ron there in place of Misty ,lindsey and the guy driver that could of been Tommy.
Chelsea BLOWS Rons version out of the water with this story. She never sees Haleigh get off the bus,run and jump in Rons arms giving him kisses and hugs then he lets her ride home on his lap. Chelsea said Haleigh got in the back seat. Chelsea felt Misty was in that car. Timmy called Misty and she told Tim she was at Rons. Well, by the time Tim called Misty she would of been at the mh on Green lane.
It almost sounds like Misty, Dustinand Jr were up at the bus stop picking up Haleigh and Austin. I am not sure where Leila is. It sounds like Tommy is the one pulling up beside Misty at the bus stop. He is taking Lindsey to clinicals. Misty takes the van to Tommys where Chelsea and Tim are plus there two girls. Ron shows up at Tommys where Tim gets his 20 back and this is where Ron sees Haleigh last at about 3:45pm. Misty,Haleigh,Jr and Tommys kids get dropped off at Green Lane by Chelsea and Tim. Chelsea and Tim then take the van to Crescent City for the night. Tommy dropped off Lindsey and comes back to Rons to pick up his kids and take them home. He and Misty smoke a joint before he leaves which was approx.6pm per Misty.Misty says she then cooked dinner,but Tommy says Misty did not cook dinner that night,but how would he know if he left at 6pm.?
I think there is some truth about Ron taking jordan and getting Misty all on board to help take Custody of him. Then Ron would be collecting child support from Crystal and Amber. This explains why Amber Brooks would not show up to the paternity test for Ron and Jordan. This way Ron would have no rights unless he persued it through court to prove his paternity. The way it was going for Amber to be applying for help from the State Of Florida they would of made Ron pay Amber child support but since he already kidnapped him she did not want him to have access to Jordan. This way Ron wins again. He does not pay for a child he procreated with another young girl.jmo jmo jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I am not doubting you that Misty and the kids were at Green lane that night. There may be more info you have that we dont know about that proves this.Right now though with Tommy leaving at 6 and AS being gone from there ( I still dont believe she was there at least for bringing clean laundry) by at least 7:45pm. There is a whole lotta time unaccounted for until the 3:27am 911 call.jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Chelsea states that Misty was only babysitting for Ronald. They were not back together as a couple. TN says right from the start that Ron and Misty were up all night Sunday night working out their problems and that is why Misty was exhausted and the reason why Ronald got up late to get Haleigh to school on Monday morning.
The story we heard that TN called Misty to baby sit and offered to pay her then Misty said she did not have to pay her but ask Ronald if it was ok and that she would go home if it was. Well this implies that Ron and Misty are not back together and that Misty is else where at the time of this call instead of Rons.If there is any credibility to this story then Misty and Ronald were not together all night as TN claimed working out their issues on Sunday night.jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
I agree, looking for justice! I do not believe that Misty was at the MH Sunday evening. I have no clue what to believe as far as who picked HaLeigh up. I feel it is very important b/c that is where it seems like the lies start, and why lie about something like who picked her up, unless you are trying to cover something else up? Why lie about anything, if you aren’t involved. TN has lied, AS has lied, RC had lied, MC has lied, every one of them have lied. WHY? if they are not involved, then WHY lie? make no sense to me! I would also like to know where JR was that day and during the 911 call. So, If Chelsea thinks it was Misty in the car at the bus stop, why can’t those two knuckleheads just say we were both there? they are covering something up, but what?
October 12th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
If Ron was blowing up her phone like Chelsea says then LE knows exactly where Misty was that entire weekend through the pings. They would also know where Ron was too. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Sorry, but Chelsea is a known liar that has changed her story so many times I know that I have lost count. I tend to think it is because she is protecting her husband (and most likely herself, too). Not only do I listen to what she says with a grain of salt, I listen to it with an entire handful of salt. She has a motive to lie, and that is powerful.
Not even sure where to start with this latest “story”. I do believe that Ronald picked up HaLeigh at the bus stop. Was Misty with him? I have no idea, and like Mr. Brown said, I don’t think it really matters, as HaLeigh was seen after the bus stop.
Ronald did not hang out with his father and the biker “gang” (my understanding is it is a club, but that really has no relevance since Ronald did not hang out there in the first place and had almost no contact with his father). That is ridiculous, as Ronald and his father had little to no relationship. Is this another case of Chelsea trying to cast suspicions away from the Croslins? If so, why? I think the answer is pretty clear in that the blame for HaLeigh being missing lays directly on the Croslins and they have all the answers.
I would very much like to see the reports from three LE agencies that Chelsea and Amber ever reported Amber’s child missing or stolen. Perhaps at that point I’ll believe it ever happened.
Why exactly was Chelsea picking up Tommy & Lindsay’s children when she had 2 of her own and was pregnant and didn’t live in the immediate area, while Tommy was home from work that day?
Also, people keep saying that Misty was forced to babysit that night. I’m sorry, but there is just not any proof of that and I do not believe it. Misty has always done what she wanted and there is no reason to believe she wouldn’t continue to do so. I don’t believe for one second that anyone forced her or offered to pay her. I think after her weekend of “partying” she would have done anything to get back with Ronald and she was there trying to make amends. Trying to lay blame on HaLeigh’s grandmother’s is outrageous, IMO.
October 12th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
If you are correct about Ron and his father it raises more questions. Personally I believe they did have contact after seeing the rest of the Cummings and how tight a family group they are. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
The Grandmothers are liars also or do you forget they said Misty was the most wonderful girlfriend Ron ever had and all the rest of the lies they told? They knew Ron was an addict and did nothing to protect those kids. Opps yes AS did the laundry so they wouldnt have stained clothes, wouldnt want DCF to ask questions on their being taken care of would they. And this wasnt the first time Ron had an underaged girlfriend taking care of them. AS and TN knew about Jordan they knew about the Affray charges where Ron incited a fight between Sarah and a pregnant Amber. Point blank they knew alot and did nothing…. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Tobias,
What is wrong with a AS doing Ronald’s laundry for the children? Ronald was working. I don’t see anything wrong with a family member helping out with something like laundry. I know that when I was younger and starting out my family, my family often helped with laundry AND cooking. That had nothing to do with DCF, it had do with family helping out family.
You said that Ronald’s family knew he was an addict. Do you have any type of proof that Ronald was doing any type of drugs prior to HaLeigh going missing? Yes, we know that he was arrested after HaLeigh went missing, and he had drug charges prior to his getting custody. (And one charge right after he filed for custody, which was subsequently dropped because the drugs were found in Crystal Sheffield’s purse and were clearly not his). I am looking for some type of proof that he was involved in drugs prior to HaLeigh going missing, not rumors. He was drug tested for his job – randomly. He also was subjected to (random) drug testing each and every time that Crystal and/or her family called DCYF on him, yet he had not failed a drug test.
Yes, AS and TN did know Jordan existed. They also knew that Amber did know show for a DNA test, then refused the DNA test, claiming that Jordan was not Ronald’s child. What does their knowing that this child existed have to do with anything? The family was told “point blank”, to use your words, that Jordan was not part of their family.
I don’t know what questions you think Ronald and his father having no contact raises, but you are entitled to your opinion. Ronald has never had much contact with his father, and he certainly never hung out at his father’s biker club.
The truth is usually a lot more boring than the rumors that fly around this case.
October 12th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
You are entitled to your opinion. Mine is what I have stated and I dont care to argue the point.
Ron, Misty, Tommy ,Hope and Donna are in prison on drug charges. Haleigh is still missing or dead.
What exactly has Ron done to find his child since he went to prison? At least Misty has done an interview asking people to still question where Haliegh is. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Yes, Chelsea has a motive to lie, and her stories have changed so much, I don’t believe a word she says. Plus, she’s always right in the middle of everything. Now, we hear that she played an active role in Misty dating Greg Page… all because of her hatred for Ron and his lifestle, and Misty deserving better. But she still expected Ron to acknowledge her and let the kids visit? And I’m not getting the story about her sitting on the hood of her car and smoking. what a ridiculous visual, lol. How exactly was this sending a message to Ronald? She couldn’t tap on his window or send him a text? It’s details like this, that make me cringe. Kind of like Ron letting Haleigh drive home. Chelsea bringing up Ron’s family behind the fence, was nothing but deflection. She’s so bad at casting suspicion, that she’s almost effective…normal people aren’t so obvious, so we’re taken aback. If I was one of Haleigh’s real family members, I would’ve beaten her you know what, when she got that foot tattoo. and then personally removed it. She knew her family was being investigated, but she had the balls to get it anyway. In my opinion, she has busted her rump, to make herself, the center of attention.
October 12th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
I believe there is some truth amongst the lies.jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Of course AS and TN lied. AS said she knows some 30 yr olds that aren’t as mature as Misty. TN said she was BY FAR the best girlfriend Ronald ever had. All the while knowing about the binge weekend and the previous break ups when they used the kids like pawns to guilt Misty back because they didn’t want to be saddled w/ Ronald’s kids. Imo, it’s ridiculous to try and deny that.
October 12th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
It didnt stop them from getting custody and paternity of Haleigh and Junior. Same thing in Jordans case if they really wanted to go that far. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
I’d still like to know why there are so many different stories about who was at the bus stop if “it’s not important anyway.”
October 12th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Can someone tell me what the different stories of the bus stop are and who told them. Not all the details, just the basics. TYIA
October 12th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Question. How many people here have actually read Ronald and Crystal’s ENTIRE custody file. Not simply the two or three documents that were posted online? Has anyone? There is a lot of information in there. And it is quite clear why Ronald was awarded custody of the children, which was affirmed not only by the original judge, but also by a total of three judges.
Anyone can order a copy of that custody file if willing to pay the fee for it. It is not cheap, but it is worth the read if you want to know the truth.
October 12th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Misty said she stayed home w/ jr and Ronald picked her up.
Ronald said she ran off the bus into his arms and he let her “drive home.”
Santos gf said Misty picked her up in a van.
Chelsea said Ronald picked her up in a purple car and later found out Misty was in the car too.
I think there’s more but that’s all I can remember right now.
October 12th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Lol, custody documents? What on earth for?
October 12th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
Thank you . I must have misunderstood CC statement. I thought she said she could not see in the car because of the tinted windows.I thought she said she thought MC was in the car because HaLeigh was so happy when she got in the car. She asked Tim who was in the car with him and TC said “just Ronald” I will have to go back and read it again, cause I was sure CC did not see MC at the bus stop nor did she see JR. I will go reread it now.
So MC said she was home watching JR. RC said she
was home with JR.
So RC, MC and CC all say RC picked HaLeigh up that day?
Santos and his GF say it was MC in the blue van right?
Santos and his GF do not think CC was there at all that day, right?
Seems there are 2 stories here. One by RC and the Croslins, which is RC picked up HaLeigh.
The other by Santos and his GF. who say it was MC in the blue van.
October 12th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
The custody issues keep coming up because? The only significance is hindsight. If Ron hadn’t had custody, Haleigh wouldn’t be missing. That’s it. Whatever you think was the reason Crystal was deemed unfit, obviously didn’t hold up, because she was granted custody. And whatever reason you think Ron WAS deemed fit, didn’t hold up, because look where he is. Personally, I wish none of these people had custody of their children, but they do. Why do some of you insist on defending Ron’s parenting? He was given custody, but blew his chance, big time. I don’t have much faith in Crystal, but I hope she proves me wrong. People Can change. If this tragedy doesn’t change her, nothing will. After Ron’s parenting, and Teresa’s grandparenting, there’s only one way to go…UP!
October 12th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
No one ever answered my question on how would MC get the blue van from CC house, where it was at, and why would she do that if she was with in walking distance of the bus stop and all the kids homes that were getting off the bus? Santos also said MC always walked home with HaLeigh. Why would MC borrow the van that day to pick HaLeigh up? Just wondering
October 12th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Chelsea only assumes it was Ron because she never actually saw who was in the car. I see no where where she says she actually saw Ron. She says he didnt roll down the window and she couldnt see through the heavy tinted windows. Could have been anyone driving Rons car right? jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
So everyone agrees HaLeigh was fine at the bus stop right? So this dispels the thought that HaLeigh was not ok at 3:45 that day. IIRC the neighbors saw HaLeigh outside playing after that, so this also dispels that she was gone before Feb 9th right? I think that was the only point Mr. Brown was trying to make. Since so many people felt HaLeigh never came home form CS after a weekend visit or that she was taken from LC and HC MH on Magnolia or some where other than the MH on Green . Many also felt she was harmed in the AM of that day or the night before.
We know through everyone’s story, including the witnesses and the bus driver, that everyone did see HaLeigh at the bus stop. She was happy and healthy at 3:45 on Feb 9th.
October 12th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I had a phone conversation with Chelsea about two years ago and in that conversation she told me that Misty was someone who would do anything you asked her to do. She was not one to stand up for herself. She was not very intelligent, bookwise or streetwise. She spoke about how vulnerable Misty was since her rape and how badly that it had effected her. She said that Misty was a follower and would do just about anything anyone asked her to do. Now I am reading that she says Misty was a leader?
She did mention Misty’s love for those children and I have heard that from many different sources on all sides of this sad case.
So how do we know when Chelsea is telling the truth and when do we know she is lying? Why is she lying? If she told these things to Mr. Brown, and I have no reason to doubt that she did, she is definitely lying to one of us.
October 12th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Funny Ron if he was in the car wouldnt talk to Chelsea but he stopped talked with Timmy and even gave him the $20 he owed him. LOL This story of hers makes no sense. jmo
October 12th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Oh I thought CC knew it was RC because she sat on the hood of her car smoking. She could see RC in the front window. It is not tinted at all. She would have been able to see him pretty well at that angle through his windshield. I will have to go read that part as well cause I did not see where she said she “thought it was RC in the car or that it was his car. I thought she was sure it was RC because she did seem firm in her answer that RC was there not just his car. She also asked TC who was with RC in the car and TC said “just Ronald”
October 12th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
There are a lot of parents in this world who do not really deserve custody or parental rights at all and still have them. It is awarded to them to keep the child or children with family. We have seen this over and over again. The best of the worst often “win” custody, but that does not make any of them good parents. Who in this case had a good parenting role model? Which one of them would anyone consider to have a good, stable and safe home and lifestyle? Which one took good care of their children? I haven’t seen any of them that I would let baby sit even my goldfish. JMO There is enough blame to go all the way around IMO Bad and not good are synonymous IMO
October 12th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
When people lie they usually make a long story out of it. People who tell the simple facts usually are not lying. Why all he drama about this simple story that Ron picked Haleigh up.
Chelsea found out Misty was at the MH because she called and told them. So why would she hide in the car? Maybe because Ron had left already? Sorry just thinking out loud. SEE YA ALL GOTTA GO TO BED. JMO
October 12th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
ohyeahright Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I had a phone conversation with Chelsea about two years ago and in that conversation she told me that Misty was someone who would do anything you asked her to do. She was not one to stand up for herself. She was not very intelligent, bookwise or streetwise. She spoke about how vulnerable Misty was since her rape and how badly that it had effected her. She said that Misty was a follower and would do just about anything anyone asked her to do. Now I am reading that she says Misty was a leader?
She did mention Misty’s love for those children and I have heard that from many different sources on all sides of this sad case.
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That was the one thing that stood out to me as well. CC said on may different forms and radio interviews and taped conversation as did Lindsey and others that MC was slow ,backwards and vulnerable.
CC did say it many times, not just to you. Mr. Brown also said FH told him MC functioned at a second grade level. Perhaps MR Brown could ask CC why the different statements and what she meant.
Thanks for sharing your experience here.
October 13th, 2011 at 8:58 am
No, there are more than 2 versions. I listed 4 and I think there are more. Of those 4 versions there are 2 PEOPLE that allegedly picked up Haleigh. Some say it was Ronald, some say it was Misty.
Both Chelsea and Ronald say he picked her up but their versions are vastly different. Ronald says Haleigh ran to his loving arms and he let her drive home. Chelsea says he never stepped out of the car and Haleigh got in the back…allegedly excited to see Misty, not Ronald.
October 13th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Santos’ gf, Chelsea and Misty say that Misty was at the bus stop. Stephanie says Misty picked her up in a van. Chelsea and Misty say Misty was in a purple car.
Four (4) very different versions.
October 13th, 2011 at 9:56 am
CC said the windows were tinted. She said Haleigh cupped her hands looked into the window and got excited! CC felt Haleigh saw Misty was back home after her weekend being gone. ( this is on Monday)
If Misty was at the mh with Ronald all night Sunday night working out their issues as TN said then Haleigh would have already known Misty was back.
Misty has already back tracked about walking Haleigh into school on Monday morning. In her recent prison interview she says that she and Ronald dropped Haleigh at the bus and went and did what they had to do. Therefore,the August interview that Misty gave is a complete lie or the prison interview is:you pick.
TN said Misty was exhausted from being up with Ronald all night.
Misy said she was exhausted from being gone ALL weekend and that is why she did not want to baby sit.jmo
Why is it important to place Misty with Ronald at the MH on Sunday night???????? Another alibi for Ronald is my guess.
RC,CC,and MC are all liars in this case.from start to now. Jerry Santos and Steph dont have anything at stake.Therefore they are more credible.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Listening to CCS account with Mr.Brown. The van was not in Crescent City. CCand Timmy were at Tommys home on Tyler that Monday afternoon. Tim stopped Ron on his way to work to get his 20 in front of Tommys home. This is when Tim told CC noone was in the car with Ron.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Where CC talks about Misty ,NN and Lindsey taking showers and getting to go to work (hooking) This would of been Saturday night. The night htey went to the mexicans in Crescent city. Misty would have known about her daddys accident at this time. iirc didnt CC once say that NN came and gave she,Tim and Lisa a ride after the accident? iirc didnt the accident happen in alacha county?
October 13th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Lets look at all the info Chelsea gave and reverse it. Like Ron being alone in the car. If this is a lie it is the opposite and Ron was not alone in the car or Chelsea wants us to feel he was. See what I mean? She could be telling all this to throw a curve into the investigation. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 10:58 am
looking for justice Says:
October 13th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Why is it important to place Misty with Ronald at the MH on Sunday night???????? Another alibi for Ronald is my guess.
RC,CC,and MC are all liars in this case.from start to now. Jerry Santos and Steph dont have anything at stake.Therefore they are more credible.jmo
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I agree and because of all the effort made to divert and confuse what happened at the bus stop on 2/9, I tend to think it is important. It’s clearly important to Ronald and Misty. MO
October 13th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Remember Chelsea and Timmy by their own admition failed an FBI LDT in Mass. With the extensive time it took to question them this all would have come up and they FAILED… JMO
October 13th, 2011 at 11:24 am
If you look at the whole picture Ron and Misty are still fighting at 8;30. I dont believe they ever made up. You hear about eratic driving by Ron nearly hitting people at the bus stop. You hear different stories about the bus stop later, Ron sugar coats his goodbye off to work, Tommy makes an appearence at the MH with kids in tow for what reason???? And no one mentions Tommy had the red truck still. According to Misty he got rid of it after this happened. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 11:26 am
True Tobias. This all would have come up.
It sounds like whatever was going on started on Sunday night.Hypothetically speaking it could have involved Ron ,Tim and Tommy possibly over Misty.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 11:27 am
In the beginning Chelsea also says Timmy was so injured by the wreck he is in bed on pain medication, but in this story he is out and about driving her and the kids around in the van. Out flaggind down Ron for $20 he was owed. REALLY??? JMO
October 13th, 2011 at 11:37 am
NNsaid that she dropped Misty at her brothers home in Pomona Park and then she went to LIndseys in St.Augustine and slept all afternoon til 4pm.
The mexican home they went to in Crescent City was around where Tim and Chelsea lived. Why would the girls drive WBG all the way back to Palatka,then turn and drive Misty back to Tiom and Chelseas and then NN and Lyndsey drive all the way to St.Augustine? It would have ben easier to drop Misty at Tim and Chelseas,then drive WBG back to Palatka and then take 207 to St.Augustine. NN said she dropped Misty about 4am on that Sunday morning.I dont recall the time WBG said he last saw Misty. I know he said he last talked to her on the phone when she was at the hospital on Monday and did not hear back from her at all that Monday.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Hank said in a jail visit that Ron wanted to go look for Misty but Hank wouldnt go. This had to be before Sat. because that is when the wreck occured. In Chelseas story Hank was in the Hospital when they found Misty and friends at Lisas. So that had to be Saturday evening. Remember Hank went to Shands which is pretty far to drive back from, get clothes and the Van. Misty knew the house would be empty all day Sunday. ( AND WOW SHE SURE DIDNT CARE ABOUT HER DAD). JMO
October 13th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Yep I agree Tobias. Misty did not care about Hank that Saturday night.
Do you reall if the accident was in Alachua county? It is a drive from there back to Satsma It takes approx. 1 and a half hours one way.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Lindsey lived in Flagler estates and her boyfriend lived in St. Augustine. I dont know why I remember this but I do maybe because I watched that NayNay video so much? I was watching her face for lies but I do believe she told most of the truth except about Misty and her not hooking and Misty not doing any drugs but pot. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Do you think WBG could of stll been with them when they dropped Misty off at Tim and Chelseas that early am on Sunday? the reaon I ask is because of the call that allegedly transpired betwen Ron and Misty and him asking her to bring a condom.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I cant remember but if you can find the insurance paper that was on Scared Monkeys it may say. It was around the time Hank was trying to get money from the insurance company of the guy that hit him. There is also a hospital lien paper around too. I remember the guy who hit them was drunk and in jail, he had borrowed the car and that person did not have the car insured so Hank lost out. The hospital bill was paid by insurance but no extra money, which made Hank mad. He also was trying to get disability but I think he wasnt hurt bad enough for it. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I dont think he was, I think he was dropped off first. He had no idea Misty was back with Ron until later, he even called her on Monday and she claimed she was at the hospital. Wonder if Ron heard that call??? Or checked her recent calls?? jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Ron could of heard that call. WBG also sd he left Misy a voice mail that day but he nevr heard back from her. Very possible Ron over heard thisjmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
I wish we knew which night Misty and Amber got into a fight over the crap with Ronald on tht weekend. It was stated they were at a party. I wonder if Amber was also at the mexican home that Saturday night?jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Joes Lawyer Sirgo said that Joe was with Family that he was not responsible for what happened to Haleigh.
Then we have Joe Overstreets mother stating that Joe said that Tommy called Chelseas phone that Monday night at 10pm and he wanted to speak to Timmy ( in CCs version before she said Tommy wanted Joe) Joes mother then said that Joe said that Tim and Chelsea left the home and he stayed behind to watch their kids.
It was after this info became public that Chelsea and Misty both said it was not Joe Overstreet.
If there is any credibility to these statements it would be fair to speculate that whatever happened to Haleigh ocurred before 10pm.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
I always thought it was in between when Ron and Misty last spoke at 8:30 and when Tommy called Timmys house at 10. And you can bet Chelsea would not stay out of all of this, not her nature. And according to this recent SKB interview with Chelsea she says Tim was driving and hanging out at Tommys, not injured on pain meds in bed like she told AH and Cobra early on. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
I agree with your timeline Tobias. I believe the 8:30pm time is when all the preparatios for staging and removing went into action. The 10pm time is apart of this timeline. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
In my theory this 8:30 is when the drug boys showed up looking for Ron. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Very well could be the drug boys. This is one of my theories. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Especially after hearing that Misty was trying to buy in the Ragsdale community on Moody Rd. really bad place to be but this seemed typical for them.
Then there are the gangs in Palatka the ones who were busted for drugs and gang activity ( 23 st. I believe.) Ron even told the UC there were places he wouldnt go with out his Glock…. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I think we would be real surprised if we had the redacted parts of those UC tapes. And if this went to trial we would have them possibly. jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
I would love to hear the redacted parts of the 911 call and the UC tapes. They could shed some light on this case.jmo
October 13th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
JOSHUA K found guilty on all 17 counts in the Petit Trial.He will get the DP like Hayes, who ws his accomplice.JUSTICE SERVED!!!!!!
I pray for Dr. William Petit that he can now heal from going through these two horrible trials. I hope he will be able to find some kind of closure once the sentencing is over. The next phase will be the executions of Steven Hayes and Joshua K. JMO
October 13th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
NaNa’s statement….about RC and MC fight the day MC left the MH.
“She said he kept calling her a ‘whore, that it wasn’t his baby, a ‘n— lover’ because she hangs out with me, and my baby Daddy is black….He dropped her off at her brother’s house, but kept her clothes. She ran down the road and called me and I picked her up.”
That weekend, Page says he cruised with the girls between Palatka and St. Augustine, where Amber Brooks tells artharris.com she had words with Misty for purportedly stealing her man and “trying to take my child.” They were pulled apart before it came to blows, says Prevatt
In our interview, Page says he last saw Misty about 4 a.m. Sunday, Feb, 8, and learned later she was going to visit her father, laid up in the hospital from a car accident, busted leg.
He says Misty called him, “said she wanted to hook up later.” But later never came. He says he called, but she never called back, and he didn’t reach out after Haleigh turned up missing. “I didn’t need the heat,” he says.
“She said she wasn’t going back to Ronald, and said for me to drop her off at her brother’s house,” recalls Prevatt, “that she had to take care of the kids,” unclear if she meant her nephews or Haleigh and Junior. “I asked her, ‘You going to Ronald’s? But she didn’t answer; she was over in a corner talking quietly to him on the phone. They both kept talking and hanging up.”
Then Misty made a personal request. “She asked me if I had a condom,” says Prevatt. “She said Ronald asked her to bring one, but I didn’t have any.”
All of the above is snipped from
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/03/exclusive-white-boy-greg-and-misty-cummings/
Misty Croslin Cummings also admitted to the weekend and drug use following confrontation by LE of this incident during a polygraph as well.
Misty Croslin’s account of that evening has not been cleared by Law Enforcement nor has any representative spoken publicly about the results of her polygraph.
Snipped from
http://mistycroslin.com/tag/white-boy-greg/
In an earlier interview, Prevatt told me that Misty ran into Amber Brooks at one party, and the two women had to be pulled apart.
According to this new interview with Prevatt on The Bald Truth, she gave a ride to a prostitute she knew named Lindsay, and it was on to Crescent City, and a house full of Hispanic laborers “who were acting real crazy.” Prevatt says she wanted to stay in the car with Misty, but Greg insisted they all wait inside while Lindsay went to work.
Prevatt tells Cobra, who Monday night bonded both Prevatt and Amber Brooks out of the Putnam County Jail where they were being held on felony cocaine possession charges, that Lindsay agreed to pay her half her sex for hire proceeds for driving, and disappeared into a back room where “all the Mexicans took turns,” paying from $30 to $120 each.
Prevatt says she and Misty were invited to participate. “They said, we were in their house,” but they declined. “We sat real close to Greg,” she says, and split “when Lindsay got her money.”
As for drugs, she said, “Misty does pills and weed, and xanex, Loritab, but smoking weed, that’s like her main thing.”
Snipped from
For her part, Prevatt says she was so exhausted after dropping off Croslin, she crashed at Lindsay’s house in Flagler Estates nearby, and woke up at 4 p.m. Monday, Feb. 9.
http://www.artharris.com/2009/04/20/exclusive-misty-cummings-pal-nay-nay-talks/
MC , NaNa and WBG were all given LDT about that weekend so evidently MC and NaNa were not prostituting that weekend as has been posted?
October 13th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
I am not defending anyone cause they are all messed up. I am defending the truth here.
Remember, CC never took a LDT, As of March 2011 when she said “strap me up.” She had not taken a LDT. Since then there is nothing new about her taking a LDT. She has not yet taken a LDT.
The versions of the bus stop are, RC CC and MC all say RC picked HaLeigh up
Santos and his wife say MC was in the blue van and she picked HaLeigh up.
CC did not say she saw MC in the van only that she “thought” MC was in the van because of HaLeigh being so happy. So we can take one version away . CC never said she saw JR either. MC has always stated she was at home with JR. Still only 2 versions as far as I can tell.
All the other stuff that is added are not different version. Those things are just added details to the same 2 versions. It does not change the 2 that are being stated. IMO. RC (with HaLeigh jumping in his arms) and Santos GF (with MC hitting a child.) are still either RC or MC picking up HaLeigh. The story has always been the same from CC , MC and RC from the very beginning. Everything is pretty simple in that story. It was said to be either MC or RC.
We do not know that TC “was out and about driving CC and the kids around” that day. No one has made a statement to that effect. We do not know when RC gave TC his 20 back, cause no one clarified that. But CC wanted to know who was in the car with RC. Certainly CC knows no one rides to work with RC, (if he was on his way to work, why would she ask who was in the car with him )so that would indicate the 20 was given to TC before RC was on his way to work IMO. Either way we do not know when that happened.IMO
Things are getting pretty far from fact and we all should probably go back and refresh our memories, once again. JMO
If story is true and it will not change over time. If it is believable and credible there is no need to rewrite it or embellish it . I have heard this said about all the POI…..what about people with theories, does it go for them as well?? Just wondering …..again.
October 13th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
ok, so Chelsea and Timmy both failed LDT’s? The only thing Chelsea’s story does for me, is make me wonder wth was going on with these people. There are just too many versions of who picked Haleigh up. What it looks like, is there was a chain of events that led up to Haleigh being abducted, and some vital link in the chain, happened right after the bus stop. Maybe it was a confrontation, or fight, or drug deal, who knows, but it looks like it involved all of these people. I wonder where Joe was…maybe with Ronald? because I do not believe Ron was at the bus stop. Maybe Ronald was up to no good somewhere, and that’s the reason to lie…to get him away from wherever he actually was. Maybe putting him at the bus stop, seemed like the simplest solution. IDK, but something was up. Neither Misty talking about bad drugs or slapping a little boy, seems like a good reason to completely remove herself from the bus stop. She could have just denied doing it. But, even if all this played a part in the chain of events, I agree with Mr. Brown that Haleigh was at the trailer later. Her not being home wouldn’t fit Jr’s story, and Jr is the one person, in this family, I believe.
October 13th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Thanks Barbara, I didn’t remember Chelsea taking a LDT.
October 14th, 2011 at 12:18 am
A couple of things that bother me with this story, are Chelsea sitting on her hood, and the $20. In my opinion, they both sound like necessary admissions. What I mean is this…maybe LE has evidence of certain things, so Chelsea inserted details in her story, to explain them away. For instance, maybe there was fighting over drug money among this group, LE knew about it, so Chelsea inserted the little $20 detail. I’m only hypothesizing here, but Ron owing Timmy a measly 20 bucks, seems a little ridiculous. According to Chelsea, they couldn’t stand Ronald and got mad when Misty went back to him. If I didn’t like somebody, I wouldn’t loan him money. But of course, according to the logic of Chelsea Croslin, if they hadn’t loaned him the money, Misty would’ve cut off all contact and run away. How dare they disrespect her in front of her homies.
October 14th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I remember hearing that Ronald was seen drunk, waving a gun around and demanding to be paid for a tree removal job that he did sometime after he claimed to be at work. Does anyone else remember this? TIA
October 14th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Here is another theory, Misty went to Hank and Lisas on Sunday to crash, she is still there on Monday. Ron and Misty are speaking on the phone but she still doesnt want to babysit because she is tired. The usual happens, Ron picks up Haleigh at the bus stop still pissed off at having no babysitter he goes to Hank and Lisas to send Haleigh in for Misty. Misty is still refusing to go and the get into a physical fight. Haleigh is bumped on the head. (Remember Misty saying in her first statement the Haleigh was fine when she was riding her bike?) Head injuries can go unnoticed for hours and people have been known to appear fine one time then dead several hours later. Misty may have told Ron this at the 8:30 call and he knew he was going to need an airtight alibi to save his butt. He tells Misty its her fault and she is going to get put in prison if she doesnt co operate. He calls Tommy to get him over to the MH telling him Misty hurt Haleigh. Tommy thinks Misty did this because Ron is at work and Haleigh was fine earlier. Tommy cant handle it alone so he calls Timmy for help. They take Haleigh to Ron at PDM. Ron is the only one who knows where Haleigh is. This is very possible, they all had a hand in it so no one can talk. No one can get immunity because they dont know where Haleigh is.
Tommy and Misty possibly heard the story Ron was telling Cobra and thought it was the place he put her, they took a shot at getting that immunity, but blamed Joe. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Barbara,
Good post, as to the last question, I had heard that Lindsay, (not Tommy’s wife Lindsy) the girl who was with Nay Nay and Misty was actually doing the prostitution. I don’t know her last name and have never spoken to her. Of course, I got this from one of the other two who would not admit to doing any prostitution herself anyway.
October 14th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Unless we were there, none of us know “the truth.” When there are conflicting stories, as there seems to be about everything and everybody in this case, it comes down to who and what we choose to believe but it doesn’t make it true.
AH interviewed NayNay and she said that Lindsey did the sex for drugs but for all we know they all could’ve done that. Imo, that sounds more likely than Lindsey doing it and then everyone parties off the proceeds. Mighty generous of Lindsey, if that’s the case but I have serious doubts that it happened that way. MO
October 14th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Haleigh getting hurt during a fight between Misty and Ronald has always been one of my theories. And fwik, the area around PDM has never been searched. I really don’t think Tommy or Misty know where Haleigh’s body is. I believe they would tell if they knew. Imo, the only ones that know are Ronald and some of his family. MO
October 14th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Chelsea says above that Timmy was driving and she was in the passenger seat when Misty called them, they were just pulling out onto buffalow bluff rd.
Goback and read, Timmy was at Tommys when she got back to the MH with Tommys son, Timmy said no one was with Ron, so he was probably going to work.
But why doesnt Ron mention any of this in his story about letting Haleigh drive home on his lap?? Ron actually says he was ouside the car and she jumped into his arms. Way different stories, WHY???? JMO
October 14th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
None of their stories even come close to matching up. The only thing in their stories that remains the same is they all said Haleigh got off the bus.
So we know she was alive and well at 3:45 Monday.
After that we have only what LE has said which isnt much. They have never said the AC guy saw Haleigh. They said the spoke with the AC guy and he was cleared thats it….I have never heard or saw a statement from LE that the AC guy saw her or if he was really there. If anyone can find a link I would really be interested.
SKB, Did Tommy tell you that heAC guy was there? And who he was? Because Misty knew him and Ron knew him, I think Tommy would also know him. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
another thing…Chelsea said she was friends with Amber and played a vital role,(of course), in trying to get the kidnapped Jordan back from Ronald. Because of her friendship with Amber, she knew about his past and age. They did so much lying about his age… weren’t they worried about about her getting with a criminal, drug user, kidnapper, woman beater? all things she admitted to knowing. In my opinion, she used this interview as an opportunity to cast suspicion on Ronald, (the kidnapper), and his family, (those mysterious guys behind the fence). I’ve never felt that Chelsea was a part of Haleigh’s abduction, but I’m beginning to wonder. This is a woman who has an excuse for everything. IDK if she inserts herself for the attention, or if she’s making up stories, to protect her family. Everybody has to tiptoe around Misty, but Lisa threw a fit and kicked her and her friends out of the house? Why didn’t this cause Misty to cut off contact and run away? or did this rule only apply to Chelsea? In my opinion, Chelsea is using Misty’s 1 instance of running away, as a handy excuse to justify them not caring about her… which probably doesn’t have much to do with this case. But it seems like all of the people involved with this case, are so busy explaining away all of their faults, that Haleigh being gone, is all but forgotten.
October 14th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Cheryl, I believe you have hit on the real answer to why Chelsea is telling this part of the interview. She is guilty of not doing anything to stop Misty from getting involved with Ron and others. Actually I believe she probably encouraged
Misty at times. Remember Chelsea and Tim were at one time Rons best friends according to Misty.
By her own story Timmy knows Ron is out buying beer, now how would he know this unless he was drinking it with him? Bet they were all tying one on the day the supposed gun was stolen. And I am wondering if Tim didnt want photographed because he was afraid someone somewhere would recognize him ( he could have used aliases somewhere else) and come forward with info on him. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1081&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fz3.invisionfree.com%2FBlogger_News%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D262%26st%3D2880&v=1&libid=1318628291401&out=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2Fxdsajm.jpg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fz3.invisionfree.com%2FBlogger_News%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D262%26st%3D2910&title=Narwo%20-%3E%20Hmmm..&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2Fxdsajm.jpg&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13186284362553
http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&drKey=1081&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fz3.invisionfree.com%2FBlogger_News%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D262%26st%3D2880&v=1&libid=1318628291401&out=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2Fxdsajm.jpg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fz3.invisionfree.com%2FBlogger_News%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D262%26st%3D2910&title=Narwo%20-%3E%20Hmmm..&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fi40.tinypic.com%2Fxdsajm.jpg&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13186284716615
Notice the date, Misty Tim and Chelsea must have been living with Hank and Lisa at this time. Does anyone know when they moved to Paradise Cove? jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
She can write and spell pretty good too. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I have a feeling they got kicked out because Hank found out about Ron. Chelsea leaves Hanks reactions of Misty being with Ron totally out of this story. I think Hank was mad because Chelsea and Tim thought Mistys romance was just dandy. They were all hanging out. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
tobias Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
She can write and spell pretty good too. jmo
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Hey dose josh have a myspace page yet if so tell him to add me ok I love you I can’t call u in tell 9 I can’t go home my dad kicked me tim and chel out but love ya.
Is this what you are saying is no problem writing or spelling or is there more?
Cause in this she is not writing just pecking at some keys. Her spelling is terrible….“dose” for does and “in tell” for until , no punctuation at all or capitalizations either. You were kidding right? We know she can not write and spell we have seen plenty of evidence of that. She was reading and writing at a second grade level when she left school. So what is your point saying she can write and spell pretty good too? Again you are kidding right?
October 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
In the beginning people were saying she couldnt read or write. I think she did pretty well, way better than expeted. And all the 2 nd grade level came from G Hollars who really hadnt seen Misty for quite awhile. Then it became Misty has the mentality of a 2nd grader which is totally false.
My Grandfather never knew how to read or write but he held a job and raised 5 kids real well, even through the depression. I wouldnt consider his mentality to be that of a baby. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
tobias Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Chelsea says above that Timmy was driving and she was in the passenger seat when Misty called them, they were just pulling out onto buffalow bluff rd.
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So TC drove the 15 miles home from TC . It was early. HE had just been in a very bad accident. Just because he drove does not mean he was fine.I am sure he was in pain or very sore. Anyone would be after that severe of an accident.IMO.
I did not say he was not driving, I simply said no one stated “Tim was out and about driving CC and the kids around” that day which is what you were stating. Sort of like CC failed a LDT when we do remember she has not taken one. Why do we have to do that? Embelish or make false claims, I mean? just wondering.
October 14th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
The wreck was in the early am of Saturday this was Monday at 3:45.
And I am not embellishing anything, Chelsea first said Timmy was in bed on pain killers that night because he was in the wreck but in this interview Tim is outside of Tommys MH and driving the car.
I dont see any made up story by me just pointing out what is being said two different times and they dont add up. And if Tim talked with Ron why didnt he ask if Misty was back? jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
In CCs statement
CC was at the bus stop. She saw Haleigh get into the car. The back seat. She goes back to Tommys home. CC tells Tim about Ron. Tim then stops Ron and got his 20 bucks.( Misty and Ronalds had been busted up since the thursday prior to this Monday) Tim then tells CC he got his 20 bucks. CCasks who was in the car .Tim tells her no one. Why ask this question? CC knows MIsty and Ronald are split. She felt Misty was in the car at the bus stop due to Haleighs reaction. CC is probably wondering who is watching the children? Tim Calls Misty. Misty calls Tim back and clarifys she is at Rons mh.
I do not believe Ron was at the bus stop. Ron does not tell Cobra he sees CC up there and go ask her. He tells Cobra the witnesses are lying and that he dropped Haleigh at the bus and picked her up from the bus. In none of Rons statements does he mention any croslin being present for either occurrences including Misty.
Cheryl all of your post make absolute sense and I agree.jmo
Tobias sounds like a plausible theory.
CC implied that the girls were talking about getting all clean for working as in hooking; prostitution. This is Mistys sis n law stating this.CC is now saying in this interview that Misty is unruly and does what she wants.They cant do anything or she will run. In the beginning CC was painting Misty to be a helpless defenseless uneducated little girl.Why the sudden change of heart? No one knows the results of anyones LDTs only what they stated they were.LE has not publicly released that info. LE did not come out and tell us NN was a working girl. We found that out later on from Cobra and TJ Hart when they had to go to that motel on Crill ave. and revoke NNs bond.
I do recall in the jail tapes between Tim and Tommy that Tim told Tommy that he could not come back because he flunked his poly,but CC was fine. Now I dont know for sure if CC was given a poly in Mass when detectives were there interrogating them or not. I have not personally read that CC took one. I know she did not take one in the very beginning because she was about 4 months pg when Haleigh disappeared.
ALL IMO
October 14th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
The accident happened two days prior to this Monday. I am not saying Tim may not have been in pain. I was not there ,but Lisa and CC were in the same accident and they were fine from what we have been told.Perhaps Tim was not hurt that bad. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
I was just pointing out that if Tim drove home that day he could have drove back there that night. Chelsea was making the excuse that Tim couldnt take the van because he was in bed hurt from the accident and was on pain pills. Now we see he could have driven there just fine. jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
110.looking for justice Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
The accident happened two days prior to this Monday. I am not saying Tim may not have been in pain. I was not there ,but Lisa and CC were in the same accident and they were fine from what we have been told.Perhaps Tim was not hurt that bad. jmo
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Wow that is the first time I have ever heard that CC and LC were in that wreck. Do you have a link to that I can read on that? TYIA I read that TC and HC were coming back from either a job they were doing or from looking at or for a job. I can tall you CC was 6 months pregnant. I am sorry but there is no way I can understand how she could have been in that accident and home the same day. That accident was so severe that it totaled the car and sent HC on a life flight with a severely broken leg. CC would have been in the hospital for at least a day or 2 just for precautionary measure, being 6 months pregnant. All of them would have been very sore. Have you eve been in an accident where a car was totaled and a victim was life flighted. I have and I was only eighteen. I could hardly move for a week and it took 2 weeks after that before I could move with out feeling any pain. You may jump right out of that car and walk away but the next day you and for days after you feel it.
October 14th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Well, I never bought that Tim was too hurt to drive. kind of like Hank being on his deathbed, but was released the next day. And I’m still not convinced Lisa was with him that night and I’m confused about how he got home. I don’t put much credence into anything Joe Overstreet says, but according to his mother, (I think), he said Tim and Chelsea did leave in the van, while he babysat. Do I believe they trusted him to babysit? maybe, but I sure hope not.
October 14th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
tobias Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
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TC dove home 15 miles , you stated “Tim was out and about driving CC and the kids around”
Tobias really … TC drove home , no one ever stated” he was out and about driving CC and the kids around.” That is an embellishment. CC taken a LDT and failing it is a made up story. MC being able to read and write pretty well is also , as we all know not true ,(even your own above example shows this is not true. )
Late afternoon TC dove a 15 mile drive. At night he is home sleeping after taking pain pills. That does not make either thing a lie or even suspicious. Just because someone drives a vehicle does not make them ok to do more than that. Again this was in the later afternoon. It is very possible he did over do it and was in bed in pain that night.
. He could have be ok for the drive but paid for it afterwards.
No one here really knows and nothing that has been said tells us anything new.
And LFJ no CC did not take a LDT.
October 14th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/haleigh-cummings-overdose-theory.html
peter HYATT says jr is but that is incorrect he was 3 years an just a week away of being 4 at the time of Haleighs disappearance. Crystal did not in the very beginning tell the man i black story. It wa about th third week before Crstal came out with this info. Chelsa says jr told her about the man in black in the first days. AS is the one who told this story first in the first couple days of Haleighs disappearance;not Crystal.
posting this for CCs analysis only ; not Peters own opinions after analyzing CCs statements on JVM.jmo
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/10/haleigh-cummings-overdose-theory.html
October 14th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Well, if Tim flunked a LDT, I’d say that Chelsea needs to take one too, considering that she vouched for his alibi. Even if he did fail, we don’t know what questions he was asked. They may not have been related to that night, but I can’t imagine them dealing with any other day. Didn’t Chelsea say something like, “Strap me up!”?
October 14th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
http://victimsheartland.forumotion.com/t1320-chelsea-croslin-interview This description of Misty as the defenseless uneducated little girl; not the unruly girl she is describibg to mr. brown in this conversation.
Barb, I could be wrong about Lisa and Chelsea being in the accident; could be . I have to find the interview of Chelsea telling about that accident if it still exists. I do recall it being stated they were there.
As far as CC being 6 months pg when Haleigh disappeared. I get 4 months pg. CCs youngest was born in July 2009 at the Florida Hospital in Ormond Beach, Fl. ( Daytona Beach FL area)
If she had a normal 9 month pg this is five months from the time Haleigh disappeared and that is how I got she was 4 months pg. in Feb 2009.jmo
October 14th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Daytona Beach News Journal
Daytona Beach News-Journal (FL)
July 22, 2009
News of Record
Edition: N-J Final
Section: Section C
Page: 05C
Estimated printed pages: 5
Article Text:
Courthouse
Births:
CROSLIN: Chelsea and Timothy Croslin of Satsuma are the parents of a daughter weighing 7 pounds, born at 4:31 p.m., July 16, 2009, at Florida Hospital Memorial Medical Center, Daytona Beach.
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October 14th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
I agree that Chelsea is trying to absolve herself from any responsibility of Misty being w/ Ronald and encouraging her to go w/ NayNay that weekend but I think it’s more than that. I haven’t dismissed Stephanie’s account of Lindsey Croslin pulling up to the bus stop and Misty telling her about some bad drugs. I think that a lot was going on that day and it probably involved drugs. Chelsea isn’t going to tell the entire story because she doesn’t want to incriminate herself or others. I think there’s some truth to what she said but she left some things out and lied about other things. Imo, she’s not much different than Tommy or Misty. Whatever seems to work at the moment, they’ll try it and swear it’s the truth. They’ve been all over the map…Joe did it, no wait, I’m sorry, maybe not. Chelsea is about as reliable as TC and MC. None of them lie 100% of the time but when do you know when they’re not lying? MO
October 14th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/01/exclusive-another-misty-croslin-sibling-flubs-polygraph/
http://www.artharris.com/2011/03/02/exclusive-strap-me-up-chelsea-croslin/
here you go Cheryl
October 14th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Thanks Tobias for that article
Grace I agree wih your post.
Des anyone recll which inerview it was when Chelsea was talkng about the car accident here Hank Sr was injured.
All IMO
October 14th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
106.tobias Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
In the beginning people were saying she couldnt read or write. I think she did pretty well, way better than expeted. And all the 2 nd grade level came from G Hollars who really hadnt seen Misty for quite awhile. Then it became Misty has the mentality of a 2nd grader which is totally false.
My Grandfather never knew how to read or write but he held a job and raised 5 kids real well, even through the depression. I wouldnt consider his mentality to be that of a baby. jmo
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I was just wondering how you know MC personal information and what her IQ is? I mean you say MC having the mentality of a second grader is totally “false.”You say that like you have some information and first hand knowledge confirming her abilities and IQ.
I think people have stated she is functioning on a second grade level. MC herself said she could not read or write and the kids in her class made fun of her because of that. We have seen her TM LDT sign off and several other notes she wrote. It is very obvious she is below even a 2nd grade level, barely able to write her own name. We see she did not know what numerical is and so many other things. How many times have you heard her say intelligent things that were on her age level? All any of us have heard were some redacted tapes (which certainly prove her immaturity and low functioning levels) IMO and some redacted interviews, that have very little natural conversation on them. On the one video from jail when she says âI am going to live with my mom and dad and do everything right and go to church and just stay home with you and mom forever.â This was an 18 year old who sounded like a 12 year old.IMO
I know you think she is a very wise beyond her years, cunning and evil little Bâ¦â¦..that does not make it true.
People of all mentalities can parent children and hold down jobs. A low IQ does not make a person unable to do normal things. At times they may need a little more help initially or patience. They may be littler slower at first with new endeavors but they can do what other people with higher functioning levels can.
I have never stated nor have I heard anyone suggest that MC is suffering from any form of mental illness, just that she has a very low functioning level and does not understand things easily and is un educated .
You are an intelligent person Tobias and you certainly do bring a lot of meaningful things to any discussion. You have given so many good links and so much good information in the past few years. When you let your emotions take you away and forget the facts, you sometimes do go off the deep end posting things that are your heated emotional opinions rather than your carefully researched ones. I for one just like the more factual, logical side of your conversations and information. JMO
October 14th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2909950/lindsey_and_chelsea_croslin_missing.html?cat=17
Mr.Brown can you please tell me if this article is correct in printing that Lindsey Croslin was at Rons MH that afternoon having dinner and her kids were there playing. Then two others showed up which was Tommy and Annette Sykes. Then Lindsey had her night class and she was back home by 10 or 10:15 having dinner with Tommy. I do recall in the beginning that it was reported that Lindsey got home at about 10:15 – 10:30pm.
Thanks .
October 14th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
I can not help but think of all of the children involved in this case. Some day they will read all about their families on these blogs. Someday they will be filled with pain and shame from what they read. Much will be unfounded rumors and opinions, but I am sure the pain from what they read will be real. I wonder what it will do to them?
Someday this case will be solved. I do believe that with all my heart. When that day comes some people and their theories will crash and burn. People who were so sure their theory was right will be proven wrong. It may be me…who knows. But when that day comes at least I will know I did not trash any innocent people in the process of exploring my theory and voicing my opinion. For me that will be enough to keep my head held high. I will know and be able to say I was wrong, knowing I never harmed any of the innocent people in this case or their children, with horrible, damaging and unfounded accusations. JMO
October 14th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Interesting article, lfj, thanks. I’m listening to the Levi show that’s in the credits at the end of the article and at the 13:35 mark Leonard Padilla is talking about how Chelsea was trying to protect Timmy re not taking the van because he was in an accident.
October 14th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Lets talk about Mistys mentality and IQ. I for one do not know Mistys IQ. Anyone else here know Mistys actual I-Q? I know her Granny Hollars stated that about the 2nd grade level and that when Misty lived with her she tried to help her but couldnt. In the article I posted above CC also refers to Misty as uneducated. Misty may not have an high I-Q and poor academic skills but she is not totally illeterate. Mistys speech could have alot to do with her enviroment. She spoke alot of slang. She is not refined at all. Misty is not a mentally challeged young girl. She can count by tens, she can read and write and can use a computer. She knew she had told inconsistent statements and admitted so on national television. One thing is for sure you dont need to have a high I-Q or be academically successful to know how to lie. jmo
Chelsea Croslin is the one now saying that Misty was rebellious and did what she wanted. She has even implicated in one of the aricles I posted above how it hurts her to have to go on tv and basically admitt that Misty had some involvement in Haleighs disappearance. Is this the truth ? Who knows?jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:02 am
I do recall listening to that sjmohow but I ma just go back and listen again. It is an interesting article.jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:02 am
oops show
October 15th, 2011 at 12:13 am
I remember Lindsy saying these things but I just cant remember where, maybe in a jail visit or call? She also said Tommy had cleaned the MH and they watched TV before bed.
And I remember where I saw the Hospital lien for Hank it was posted on Radio newz blog, I beliieve they even had the court docket for the guy who hit him there too. wished it was still open. jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:18 am
This poor, dumb Misty, she’s not responsible for anything she does because she’s been abused is really getting old. I don’t care if her IQ is 20 or 120, if she’s responsible for what happened, she doesn’t get a pass from me because she got teased in school, or neglected by her parents, OR raped. If she has some kind of mental impairment, it’s up to her atty to deal w/ that.
None of the adults that have lied, manipulated and hindered the investigation get any sympathy from me, including poor Misty. It’s not about her and her sad life, it’s about what happened to Haleigh.
October 15th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Is Radionewz still private? I recall her saying that Tommy had cleaned the house and cooked dinner. I just dont recall it ever being said that she was at Rons mh hanging out before she went to school that night. jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Where is Haleigh??????????
October 15th, 2011 at 12:25 am
And for the record, my head was held high while I typed that.
October 15th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Reviewing things and found this.Pretty interesting IMO. Notice it is Feb 20th.only 11 days after the abduction. LE already had this info and had already questioned him. Notice, the reference to the newspaper articles. Wonder what newspaper the articles were in.
October 15th, 2011 at 12:32 am
In one of the articles above Chelsea Croslin says she would state on her life that Joe was not involved and she doesnt know what she was thinking accussing him. Misty also recanted at the same time about Joe O. it is very suspect to me as to why these two did this. Is it because Joe Os. mom came out pubicly with what Joe said that he stayed behind and watched Tim and Chelseas kids and it was Tim and Chelsea that left after Tommys call at 10pm? This statement by Joe Os mom put Tim and Chelsea right in the spotlight.jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:43 am
I dont know what articles they are referring to. I personally have not seen any of them. The thing is TN was the one that gave the interview that Ron had gotten into a fight the night before Haleigh disappeared. They are saying Joe here in this clip,but the fight over the gun could not have been the day before Haleigh disappeared. Hank Sr was in the hospital and Hank Sr pulled Ron off of Joe when they fought over the alleged missing gun. TN standing right next to Ron in this clip was the one who gave the fight over the gun info to the media. Did Ron get into a fight with someone else on Sunday night very possible. jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:51 am
There is also the rumor that Ron went to a mans home that he had done tree work for and needed the person there who was some how related to Ron and wanted him to go with him,because he was going to rob a dealer. This info is on rumor mill on papas Corner. They said it was on the night Haleigh disappeared. It was after 6:30pm iirc.
http://papascorner.weebly.com/index.html
here is the link. go to rumor mill and that is where you will find this info. It was stated that Ron did rob the person and 2 ounces of cocaine was apart of the robbery. jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 1:51 am
Perhaps I should clear a few thing up that seem to be misunderstood. First I did not say poor, dumb MC. I originally thought she left the kids and went to “party”. I do feel sorry for her childhood and I admit that. My feelings have been more about poor dumb LE if this kid with the low IQ who is an uneducated pot smoker can fool them and they can not break her and get the truth. Since it was said that the best experts in Child abduction cases had interviewed her repeatedly, my logic(and I could be wrong) says there is some reason they were not successful when they can break experienced, harden murderers in far less time and with less effort. How many 18 year olds can plan or even participate in the perfect crime?
I just do not see how all of this really degrading speculation can really do any good or is even relevant to this case. I feel sorry for any innocent person drug through the mud for pure entertainment. I always will. But again that is just me. Bundy was a politician, and a well spoken. respected, personable man, Gazey was a clown and a boy scout leader, an educated, respected man. The list goes on. What does that mean now that we know what they did? Just because some these people do not live “good lives”(which we really do not know to be fact) does not make them murderers. They do not lie as much as is repeatedly stated. Their words are twisted and events are turned inside out to “fit” .If it was all simple LE would have solved this case long ago. It is not the obvious in this case.IMO None of us are going to solve this case. No one here or on any of these boards will trump LE. LE has already thought of all the things we throw out there everyday. Any poster who thinks they have the answers and LE does not is delusional or has investigated this case close up and personal, like our host has. IMO LE has checked every one of the Croslins, and knows what they did and who they called. LE knows the everyday details of their lives by now. Mr. Brown has more knowledge in this case by far than any of us, but people (posters) who are States away, feel they know more than him. LOL
All of these people are who they are. I do not personally know any of them and the facts are about 99.9 % of all the people with big opinions don’t either. To speculate is natural that is all we are ALL doing. We all have opinions. To develop one opinion to the exclusion of anyone else’s seems to happen a lot in this case. I think that should change. My opinions anger you? Why? Because they do not agree with yours? Do any of us know with out a doubt who’s opinion or theory is right? Anything is possible. To have such strong opinions that anyone discounts or ignores facts and just makes up stuff, is really just silly. IMO Of course everyone is entitled to do what ever they wish.
October 15th, 2011 at 3:11 am
barbara Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 1:51 am
Since it was said that the best experts in Child abduction cases had interviewed her repeatedly, my logic(and I could be wrong) says there is some reason they were not successful when they can break experienced, harden murderers in far less time and with less effort.
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Who are these best of the best experts that have interviewed her repeatedly, can’t break her but have broken hardened murderers in far less time? Please name at least one and provide details about the murderers they did break. Thanks
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barbara Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 1:51 am
I just do not see how all of this really degrading speculation can really do any good or is even relevant to this case. I feel sorry for any innocent person drug through the mud for pure entertainment. I always will. But again that is just me.
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Does that include JO? If he ever has children (scary thought) I wonder how they’ll feel if they read what you’ve written about him being a child molester like it’s a proven fact. Your comment about being able to hold your head up high, implying that others can’t was offensive and I believe you wanted it to be, so don’t pretend you’re shocked by my response.
Your opinions don’t anger me. I don’t care if you agree w/ me or not. Imo, you need to either practice what you preach or quit preaching. It’s that simple.
I’ve never seen anyone here claim they have all the answers, or know more than LE or SKB so what are you talking about?
October 15th, 2011 at 3:28 am
Furthermore, anyone that interfers in ANY way w/ a child murder is NOT an innocent victim. The only innocent victim here is Haleigh.
October 15th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I noticed TN is so out of character in this video above. The comment about if Misty says so we agree when her eyes roll and I actually see a hint of a smile. I believe if someone told me a pediphile took my child I wouldnt be reacting like this. Any other time she is in tears sobbing.
And I like the comment about him not having a sign… Ron should of had one of those Teresa… jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
And Joe doesnt strike me as the type of person who could afford to eat at Carabbas. I also find it odd all the sitings are in places like Walmart(with hundreds of cameras) etc. Oh and lets not forget the TH story where Haleigh is being forced to model for Kohls.LOL I could see if it was McDonalds at the drive thru or at a gas station.jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
The story about Ronald either robbing a drug dealer and/or demanding money from someone that Papa posted was proven to be untrue. At one point, Papa kept sending his “information” to Art Harris trying to get it posted on his site, back when AH was still posting many articles. AH tried to verify this information and he found that it was untrue. There was even some type of confrontation between the two in the comment section at one point because Papa was not happy the story would not be printed (he then went on and printed it himself). LE also heard the story and AH had said that it was verified as not true, that Ronald was at work the entire night.
Just a little background on Papa’s story.
October 15th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
And AH would know this how? He was not investigating he was just reporting what he heard back to Nancy grace. Cobra was the one investigating and SKB after Cobra left. jmo
October 15th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
I think anything proven should be fair game. Like RC propensity to underage girls, drugs and all else his record exposes or TN leaving RC and his sister when they were kids. Even CS addition or TC ‘s as well. LC drug addition too and her and HC lifestyle and parenting. That is all public record. JO well he has a record as well. How come you believe all the rumors about MC, and that is all they are, but when many people speak about JO molesting a child(including a reliable person IMO) you find that not credible? I mean if you do not believe anything the Croslins say why pick and choose what to believe? If it points to MC being a “bad girl” it’s the truth? But if what is said points to JO being a criminal, he’s just a scape goat? As you say practice what you preach.
There are many unfounded rumors in this case. As you said it is not about MC, it is about HaLeigh, not about prostitution, incest, being a rape victim, having 3 way sex or any of that. So why are those things brought up so often? Oh do not say bad things about JO. Things that really do have a basis for pertaining to this case (such as molesting a 5 year old) but talk about MC sleeping with multiple men at one time. Which is absolutely and totally unproven and makes no sense at all. Yea that has a lot to do with HaLeigh. Funny it’s about HaLeigh when I defend her but it’s about MC when someone wants to bash her. How is that ?.
October 15th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Perhaps you could contact him and ask him.
IIRC, it was stated that he verified that with LE. In any case, I do know that LE has verified this information. There is no truth to it.
Like I have said before, believe what you want. It’s my understanding we are all here to share information and ideas. There are people that have their minds so set on certain theories that they only want to believe information if it fits into theories in which they believe (one of the reasons for this particular blog by Mr. Brown). Sometimes however, information is simply not true. Think about this story in a neutral manner, if Ronald were not at work when he was supposed to be, LE would have been all over him for that. Ronald has no special power or pull with LE in PC.
October 15th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
“if she’s responsible for what happened,”
What if she’s not? Then what? Even LE does not indicate MC is “responsible” for the abduction. Do you have information they don’t ?
Everyone knows she has not been charged with anything in this case. Is it guilty till proven innocent? Not in my mind. LE does not have enough information or proof to charge MC with anything…how do you or anyone else? None of them have been charged yet. That means LE does not have the answers yet. Does anyone? It could be a dozen different scenarios‘. Take your pick. Nothing has been ruled out.
In saying I can hold my head up I was explaining why I do not go along with the sordid unrelated and unnecessary accusations of things that are just rumor. I have been accused of saying “poor MC” I was explaining that I just do not believe in dragging people through the mud on needless rumor. As I said, anyone else can do what they want. Some of these rumors are just plain disgusting, so I question why we need to go there, over and over again? I do not feel my lack of wanting to discuss that stuff should offend anyone. It is not relevant to the case and has no real probative value IMO. Unless you think a SO is the perp (and I am one of the few hold out on that one) who cares about that stuff? I know the answer to that question and so do those who do constantly do it. So just because I do not agree does not mean I am saying poor MC. Has she lied, well I my self have not heard her lie personally. I have heard RC, TN, TC and others lie on video so I know they have. Even LE has not said MC has lied, just that she has inconsistencies in her story. If she had blatantly lied and LE knew it they would charge her with obstruction like they have so many others in other cases. IMO So just because you THINK she has interfered in a child abduction case does not make her guilty of anything , now does it. You do not really know what she has told LE behind closed doors…or do you?
October 15th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
LFJ,
I’ve spoken to Lindsy a number of times. I don’t recall her telling me that she was over there that afternoon/evening. If she had been I’m sure Tommy and Misty, and Lindsy would have told me so, because Tommy and MIsty, both independently told me about their activities while the A/C guy was there. But I will go back through my notes and statements from Lindsy and see if she has told me something about where she was at that time. I read the article and, of course, it is full of inaccuracies. That’s the difference between what you read as from a reporter and what you’ll read here, which to best of my knowledge is factual. Albiet, I was not working this case when it began, but still, I’m a pretty damn good investigator and can usually get the facts straight. I know, now you’re laughing saying that Steve Brown said he solved the case. Well, at some point later we’ll talk about the difference between solving a case and making a case that will result in a conviction in court.
October 15th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
BeachBum,
I appreciate your comment, but not sure exactly how to take that. Let me assure you and everyone else that I do not try to take facts and force them into theories. On the contrary, I have a totally open mind when it comes to this case. I do know some of the facts for a certainty, so anything else that presents itself as a “fact” must relate to what physical evidence there is. But I was 90 percent convinced when we did the Shell Harbor search that dock was the place where Haleigh went in the river. You’ll see more about that in future blogs here. Now I’m down to maybe 40 percent, leaving 60 percent for her to be someplace else. There is no one with a more open mind on this case than myself.
October 15th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Grace Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 3:11 am
Who are these best of the best experts that have interviewed her repeatedly, can’t break her but have broken hardened murderers in far less time? Please name at least one and provide details about the murderers they did break. Thanks
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LOL I really think you are beginning to think you are somehow LE. If you want to know who the experts are or were, check the links because it has been reported that the “best experts” in child abduction from the FBI have questioned MC. Also “the best Child abduction experts from the state” were also involved in her questioning according to LE. One of those was when MC walked out on the “interview”. Who do you think they had doing the interviews some “rookie” cop? You can get their names and see what cases they have been involved in. (I will see, out of courtesy only , so you can be informed, if I can find one of the many articles where LE makes this statement about the “best experts“…)
There is a lot more creditability to my statement than there is to the one that Santos and his GF are credible. He has a pretty interesting record .IMO and who really knows her story? I have not heard anyone other than posters call her and her account credible. Of course her account does tarnish MC so it figures some would call her account credible. Then where’s the link to CC failed LDT? There is none, but then you didn’t ask for that one did you? Of course not. Cause once again it supports the MC/ Croslin theory. No proof needed for that one ? Everything I post is dissected and criticized by you. . When I gave the info on JO being involved in Child molestation, you were asking for proof. You felt it was terrible to implicate him on what you considered rumor. When I told you my source on JO you discredited it too. But prostitution for MC is fine on rumor hey? . Well you have no proof for any of the allegations and negative rumors you post about now do you?. Yes please let’s practice what we preach or quit preaching.
As far as posters thinking they know than SKB….this is not the only blog on HaLeigh ya know.
I have different opinions than you. Just get over it. You want proof for every thing I post, but you don’t offer any for your opinions now do you? If you want to continue let’s take this back to the other board where it started. This is not the place for this.
October 15th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Hi Mr. Brown,
I’m sorry if you felt I meant you in my post. I wasn’t actually speaking of anyone in particular. Just a lot of people that post on HaLeigh’s case seem to take what they hear and bend them to fit whatever his or her particular theory may be. I do believe that you have an open mind, which is why I enjoy reading your writing.
As I am sure you have noticed, HaLeigh’s case sure has brought out a circus atmosphere, which is very unfortunate. I like to try to keep things as simple as possible and try to remember what is a rumor and what is a fact. Not that most people have a lot of facts, but there are a few known. And I do appreciate you sharing your knowledge as well.
Since you are here right now, perhaps I can pick your brain for a moment.
Do you think it is possible that Chelsea knows more than she has been saying (from the start) and is just in CYA mode for both her and Timmy? Timmy has never spoken publicly- not that he is required to do so, but most of Misty’s family spoke out at some point in support of her. It seems that Chelsea was always Timmy’s spokesperson. And really, her story has changed several times. Often, it seems as though she is attempting to deflect attention away from her and Timmy in any which direction, so long as that attention is not focused on her and her family. I have always felt as though Chelsea knows what happened that night, and that Timmy was more likely than not involved (in some manner, most likely after the fact)
Thank you again!
October 15th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Mr. Brown, this is in regards to your post 148…nobody is laughing at you. If you remember, before you got publicly involved, LE had gotten this bunch arrested, but the Haleigh case was going nowhere. Since then, Tommy and Misty have both admitted that this was no accident and they have both admitted being present at the time of the murder. That’s a huge step forward in solving this case. Before this, a stranger intruder still looked like a possibility. I don’t have as much faith in Tommy as you seem to, but then again I’m way on the outside looking in. But from where I sit, he looks pretty bad. I’m not so sure about Misty, but by no means do I think she was an innocent bystander. not anymore. I DO believe Ron has held back important information and lied for her. Last night, I relistened to the 911 several times, and IMO, Misty sounded like she knew she was in deep sh%@. At times, she sounded like, “OMG, I can’t believe I got myself in this mess”. pure interpretation on my part, but I got the feeling she was trying to keep her cool and hold it together. I get the impression that she was at the root of what happened, was there, but probably didn’t kill Haleigh. And this brings to mind, Flora Hollers saying Misty was in on a plot to steal Ron’s gun, and her hitting Haleigh with a board. Actually, my impression is that something went terribly wrong, with some kind of plan.
October 15th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
BeachBum, I’m going to jump off your post, if you don’t mind. IMO, Chelsea and Lindsey both know a lot more than they’ve admitted. Somebody, up thread brought up Tim admitting to flunking a LDT. Chelsea had vouched for his alibi of being in bed on pain meds. Obviously, if he got caught lying, then she was lying too. That doesn’t mean they’re personally involved in a murder, but it does make you wonder what they’re covering up. Linsey, IMO, has been hiding a lot. She also was her husband’s alibi. If Tommy was up to even half of what he now claims, how could she have said he was home in bed? She tried to give herself an out, by later saying that he ‘sometimes’ got out of bed, but IMO, her vouching for him, points to flat out lying. Maybe this is what wives do in this family? lie and put their husbands above murdered children? I’m not wanting to bash these 2, because it could be that they have 100% faith in their husband’s innocence, and were scared of them being targeted…but surely they realize by now, that it’s time to tell everything they know.
October 15th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
barbara- I know you like to drag this kind of stuff on for days…weeks because I’ve seen you do it to others. I’ve said my piece, I stand by everything I said and now I’m moving on so you’ll just have to get over it.
October 15th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Beachbum, I agree with a lot you have stated GOOD posts .TY
Mr. Brown,
I have never been under the impression that you were not open minded or that you were trying to make anything âjust fitâ. I have seen how open minded you are with the Shell Harbor search. I have seen how your opinion has opened to other possibilities or details to your findings in this case. I know this has to be a haunting case for a professional such as yourself. Even though the initial reason you became involved is now satisfied for the most part, you continue to search for answers. Your dedication to find the answers is beyond commendable IMO
I think your experience with this case is not well known and it is hard for people to realize how much you have investigated it or how involved you have been and are with the case. You have kept a very low profile in this case for the most part. After 2.5 years we are all feeling a sense of anger, loss and desperation to hear the truth. Your articles are great. Alas I am not a patient person and the release of your information is not frequent enough to keep everyone patient and on track with what you share, IMO including me.
I know you are very busy and are doing this because (why are you doing this LOL)you want us to know some of what you believe happened to HaLeigh from your investigation. Please be patient with us as we discuss every possible opinion and theory we have in between the times you post new information. I respect your work, your ability and your dedication to this case, to us and most of all to HaLeigh.
Thank you and God bless
October 15th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
BeachBum,
“Does Chelsea know more than she has been saying?” I really don’t think so, unless you ask Joe Overstreet who said that Timmy and Chelsea went over to the mobile home that night and left him alone with the kids to babysit. I spent a considerable amount of time with Chelsea, and like her as a person. We’ve spoken on the telephone a number of times as well. I’m not going into detail about her family life etc. but I have never had the impression that Chelsea was deliberately trying to mislead me. I know her story “changes” but I think that is because she is conflicted and doesn’t really know the truth. Not knowing the truth, wondering if your husband was involved in Haleigh’s abduction, thinking he was not, but not being 100 percent certain, caused a lot of stress in Chelsea. I think “her story” changes as she rethinks possibilities and comes to different conclusions. I do not think Chelsea has ever been intentionally dishonest with me. You know the saying, “Changing her mind, that’s a woman’s prerogative” is why Chelsea’s “story changes.”
I don’t think there is any question that the van used in the disposal of Haleigh’s body was Lindsy’s van that was at Timmy and Chelsea’s house that night. You do the math and figure out who had access to that van.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
cheryl Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
I agree with you on Chelsea and Lindsy, both.
As far as Lindsy goes. I do wonder if she is afraid of losing her children. At this point, she is no longer married to Timmy, although we’ve heard RUMORS that she plans to get back together with him when he is released. However, 15 years is a long time to wait, and we’ve also seen pictures of her with a boyfriend. That doesn’t mean if she does know information that she wants someone she cares about implicated in a crime (murder?) involving a child.
In any event, if she has knowledge of that, which I feel she does, and she didn’t come clean from the start, she is an accessory to the crime, obstructed justice, etc. She may very well feel she could lose her children if she told what she knows. Tough situation, but, as a mother, she ought to put herself into the shoes of those who love HaLeigh and do the right thing, as she would want done if it were one of her children.
I cannot get past Chelsea’s motives being more nefarious. She has always been outspoken (much moreso than Lindsy), and she has told many stories, she has blamed people, changed the story, then deflected. I just feel she wants the attention anywhere but on her.
She has offered several times (for both her and Timmy), even on national television, to take a polygraph. Wish LE would take her up on those offer. Not that polygraphs are 100% reliable, but they can be a guide. I’d love to know the results, and questions.
I wish the new detective would get on that.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Cheryl,
To say I have faith in Tommy is probably not really accurate. Tommy lies. But if you can figure out when he’s lying, then you have a clue as to what the truth really is.
October 15th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
Barbara,
Thanks for your kind comments. Just so all of you know, I continue to investigate this case. Everyday I do a little something on it. If I had the time or the money to spend a full month on this thing at one stretch I think I could turn up Haleigh’s body. I’d need some cadaver dogs and there are two other people who might have been at the mobile home that night that nobody knows about, or they might not have been there. But I have to track them down and interview them to find that out. If they were there then we might have two more reliable witnesses to what actually happened in the mobile home. It may be a lead that goes nowhere, but it is one that PCSO does not know about and it has to be followed up on.
October 15th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
I will do the math and my answer would be Joe 0verstreet. Timmy doesn’t enter the equation for me yet. One reason, although he could have said this for show, is Timmy, in a jail tape said to Tommy that he felt sorry for Ron to which Tommy went silent.
While I am here, I thought Timmy failed an LVA. And I think that came from a Tommy jail tape.
I think Tommy was lying when he said he wouldn’t lie for LE and blame Joe. He had scruples and wouldn’t want to blame someone ( something close to those words anyway) Eventually Tommy’s part would come out if he blamed Joe.
Thank you Mr Brown for taking the time to post and answer questions. Do you have a theory on who did this? Do you think maybe little HaLeigh was taken to a more secluded dock?
October 15th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Mr. Brown, I think that is really astounding. There are several people that come to my mind that I think would love the opportunity to help you with that venture of bringing HaLeigh home.
I do not know how you would feel about requesting some help from any of these people but I thought I would mention it and wonder if you gave it any thought yourself. What about John Walsh’s organization, or Rev Grund or even Padilla. I am sure someone would bring in dogs for you gratis.
I really think if you decided to restart the searching you would see dozens or more to offer help for you, both financially and with time.
October 15th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
Mr Brown, I am sure you have seen this before but I would really like you opinion on this. Clean and sober is this the same person you originally spoke to ?
Have you spoken to MC since she has been in Prison?
October 16th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Another person/group with resources that may be in a position to help is Marc Klaas and his search group. I know that he has an interest in HaLeigh’s case. It would be wonderful if HaLeigh could be found and finally be “brought home”.
Thank you for not giving up on HaLeigh, Mr. Brown.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:41 am
Mr.Brown thank you for your response. I knew I had never heard that at all before. No not laughing at you and I completely understand the difference in solving the crime and prosecuting the crime and criminals involved. I really believe LE needs Haleighs body in order to prosecute her case. I do not believe for one second that any of these individuals involved has fooled LE in any way. Just because there have been no charges thus far means absolutely nothing. They want an air tight case. I for one am behind LE. Those obstructon charges will and can be added in their trial of murder against Haleigh. It is my belief that more than just one person will stand trial in Haleighs murder and disappearance.jmo
For the record no one that I have seen on this board or in the private forum I am a member of has ever called anyone of these individuals a Murderer or said they know for a fact that these certain individuals committed this crime.
The info from Papas Corner I posted above is exactly what it says RUMOR MILL. There was nothing there in the post or link that said it was fact.
IMO drugs played a factor in what happened to Haleigh therefore drug dealers and robbng dealers is a plausible possibiity in what happened to Haleigh. That is why we call them theorie not facts. You can also call them hypotheticals. I for one do not think I am LE or a detective and I do not think I know more than they do. I DO HOWEVER believe them when they report that This was no stranger abduction. I do believe SKB saying this is no stranger abduction.Ido believe LE saying that Misty is the key and Sheriff Hardy saying that Misty knows she is in alot of trouble and tht she has info to solve this case as I believe SKB telling us Misty was at the mh that night and she was not sleeping. I also believe LE giving the statement in FEB 2011 that Croslin or Haleigh Father have not been forthcoming about the night Haleigh disappeared.
I have posted articles where LE did state that there was no findings that Joe was a child predator. SKB did say he was told by the Croslins. I believe he was. If LE had said there was findings I would go with that. I believe Joe is a criminal. He has a record that says he is.
Tim Miller and Chelsa Croslin both have now given testament alleging that Misty was involved in sexual activities. If this is true this could prove very bad for Haleighs enviroment. Why would Chelsea Croslin lie about Misty and her hearing them talking about they were going to be hooking;prostituting? Chelsea herself has implied Misty has involvment; not as the actual perp but knowledge, accomplice ; possibly negligent. This is her sis in law who she feels is her sister. Does CC know even more? who knows? It sure does seem like it.jmo
I will agree with Beach Bum on Chelsea Croslin. I do feel she is the spokes person for Timmy and is deflecting the spotlight from shinning in their direction.jmo
It is also my opinion that Ron had knowledge of what happened to Haleigh. You can have knowlege with out being present when whatever occurred. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 2:25 am
Unless one of these people lead LE to HaLeigh’s body or there is some remaining evidence (which would be a miracle almost 3 years later IMO) No one can determine cause of death (unless there was a knife or gun involved) or prove who was involved. Like the CA case no cause of death and no perps DNA or evidence of a perp and no conviction. With out a full confession and back up this will be a very hard case to prosecute IMO.
LE gave NaNa, WBG, AB and MC all LTD on their stories of that weekend. We know NaNa, Ab and WBG was determined as truthful. None of them ever mentioned that any of the girls other than Lindsey was a working girl that night. MC admitted that entire weekend and it’s events to LE and was given her LDT to verify her answers. LE knows what happened that weekend and they are satisfied. So am I. Chelsea suspects or has suspicions but not facts unfortunately. We all already know HaLeigh was living in a bad environment way before any of the Croslins were around and up until the day she was abducted. TM and his unorthodox and unprofessional behavior in this case is a black eye to TES IMO. His statements were hear say and rumor that he did not bother to verify before running to Media with that stuff. Why release anything he knew to Media before LE? Why release it to Media at all?
Snipped from http://www.news4jax.com/news/26804543/detail.html
At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has MIMIMIZED the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. The individuals with direct knowledge of Haleigh’s whereabouts the night she went missing have still failed to provide the necessary information to bring this case to a logical conclusion. Contradictory statements provided by these witnesses indicate that they are concealing information from the investigators.
At the 2 year mark this was released
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpYBKUEFWhE&feature=autoplay&list=ULm-vELSNrLiI&lf=relchannel&playnext=29
I am on Board with MR Brown. JO is high on my list. How, when or why and who else was involved.. who knows? Some things still bother me including JRâs and his account of events. (still there on my list is SO or stranger. Just being honest) As was said earlier JR is the most reliable witness in this case. IMO There is a lot left unanswered in anyoneâs theory, thatâs for sure.
October 16th, 2011 at 3:22 am
I guess I don’t understand why what one person said on another board has been turned into everyone laughing at Mr Brown. Imo, if someone has a question or issue w/ SKB they could easily come HERE and discuss it. If they don’t have the courage to confront him directly then they’re really not worth worrying about. That’s MO on what was said on ANOTHER board.
barbara- Now I get why you seemed to be posting to someone else when you were responding to me. I had no clue what ‘taking it to the board it started on’ meant and frankly, wasn’t interested enough to ask. But now, after reading some of the posts, I understand that you were trying to draw the proverbial line in the sand. The ol’ us v them technique. It’s a two-fer for you. You can score points w/ SKB and give the impression that those you disagree w/ HERE are of the same mind as his detractors THERE. Brilliant, in a really sneaky, under-handed kinda way.
FWIW, Mr Brown has said that all opinions are welcome here. I don’t agree w/ him about everything and I’m not going to lie and say I do. If that becomes a problem, I’m sure he’ll let me know.
October 16th, 2011 at 10:48 am
SKB, I have a question about the test Tommy took. He claimed he was asked just one question and he failed that question. I am wondering if it was asked if he knew Haleigh was dead and he failed?
I also want to know if after Werter threatened to quit defending Tommy if this was when he told the Joe story? And if so was it under a LDT that he pasted? Because I can see him lying to keep his lawyer from quiting and with everything he lost I believe he would just about tell anything to save himself from losing his wife, kids and going to prison. I am unsure yet about his involvement. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Mr. Brown can and I think does read on the other boards occasionally. I am sure he has seen it all. IMO
My original posts were not even to you or about you. I have has these same opinions and theories for a long time. I do not know what you are talking about. I thought we were moving on? This is just really weird. I will not respond to your silliness anymore here. If you want to discuss the case here in a normal civil way fine. if not, as I said, take it to the other board where it started. It does not belong here. You can PM me all you want over there.
October 16th, 2011 at 11:50 am
What other board, barbara? I don’t post anywhere else. Why do you keep implying that I do?
October 16th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
I do not believe it would be that hard to lie to LE all she had to do was say I WAS ASLEEP. And its not like they can beat the truth out of her, actually they have to be even more careful how they talk with her since she is under age and an adult must be in there with her according to the law. Misty only had to repeat the same story over and over. And when a new detective did yell and call her a liar she got up and left. Misty knows unless she is under arrest she can (and did) leave. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nA1HkZny6o&feature=player_embedded
I noticed she messed up in the same phrase about running to the bathroom, opps kichen and saw the door open. She has yet to leave the bathroom part out, its like she is repeating a story line with the mistake still there? jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
barbara Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 11:18 am
if not, as I said, take it to the other board where it started. It does not belong here. You can PM me all you want over there.
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If it doesn’t belong here, why are you bringing it here?
I’ll ask again…what other board? Is there something difficult about the question that you can’t answer? Are you saying that I’m laughing at SKB on another board? If so, you’re a bald faced liar. I don’t post anywhere else and if I have a question or comment about him or anything he says, I’ll ask him. I haven’t been shy about it so far.
Oh, and no, I’m not moving on. You’re lying about me and I’m all over you until this is settled.
October 16th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Tobias that is a vey good question. I myself still have my doubts on Tommys involvement. If ( If is a two letter word that begins a prepositional phrase and means a possiility of not a factual accussaton) If Tommy is involved.
I believe it is after the fact.
SKB, I was wondering if you could share exactly what Mistys signed written statement said that helped get custody of Jr after Rons arrest in January 2010?
In April/May of 2010 you said you had been on the case ten months. That means that you became apart of getting info on Ronald in June/July of 2009. This was right after Crystal let KP go and then hired the other atty from St. Augustine.Sorry I dont recall her name. I recall it being said that Misty said that Ronald hit Jr and made his nose bleed. I am not discounting this at all. IDK I was not there, but I recall NN saying this to Cobra in her interview and she said that Amber Brooks told her this. I am just wondering what all Misty attested to. Was Misty there with Amber and saw Ron do this to Jr? Did Ron do this on more than one occasssion or is Misty just repeating info she had heard in order to help her daddy get out of jail in time for Thanksgiving? JMO
October 16th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
info from Terry Shoemaker: Ron mentions Joe in the 911 call and the stealing of his guns.
SKB and Georgia Boy info: Ron put Joe O under the bus from the very beginning in the original police report.jmo
Chelsea Croslin was the first of the Croslins to put Joe under the bus and states now she does not know what she was thinking and can state on her life that Joe was not involved.
Ron places himself dropping off and picking up Haleigh that Monday with no mention of any Croslins present.jmo
Chelsea Croslin places she and Ronald at the bus stop that afternoon. According to her they did not communicate. I wonder what Chelseas reasoning was to pull the van over side by side to Ronalds car.Why would she do that? jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
She also doesnt directly say it was Ronald in the car at the bus stop, just his car, she assumes it is him. She even says the windows are rolled up and they are heavily tinted. Ron is later in the car when Timmy sees him, after the car has LEFT THE BUS STOP. Timmy tells her Ron was alone, now why would she ask if someone was with him when its time for him to go to work? Did she wonder if he left the kids home alone? And why would she not think Misty was still with NayNay at this time? She claimed she hadnt talked to Misty since she left for her weekend. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Leonard Padilla mentioned that Ronald bloodied jrs lip on Levi’s show.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/04/19/haleigh-cummings-homicide-investigation
Misty is on tape saying that Ronald smacked the kids around…the unedited version of her last interview in May of this year.
And DCF was involved during the few months that Misty lived w/ Ronald before Haleigh disappeared.
Imo, there’s little doubt that Ronald physically abused his kids.
October 16th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
At the time Padilla said this he was in touch w/ the Croslins and he also said that he was getting 100′s of emails from people, including TN asking him to bail out Ronald. He said he told Ronald he had big buck resources (don’t remember the amount) that he would use to help find Haleigh. Ronald said no, thank you, according to Padilla.
Imo, Ronald didn’t want an investigator poking around.
October 16th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I believe that too, because LP would have used anything (even a ton of money) to repair the bad press he got in the Casey Anthony case. Just think how his image would have looked if he found Haleigh. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
http://mistycroslin.com/tag/white-boy-greg/
in this clip of NN she also says in April 2009 about bloodying Jrs nose
October 16th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
What is funny that Misty and those in the back ground are already worried that their phones are tapped.jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
I agree Ronald did not want any investigator snooping around.jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Lol, yes, that would help to repair his image. LP also said that he didn’t bail him out because what if he was involved and put Misty up to calling her family to help get rid of the body, knowing she wouldn’t give him up under any circumstances.
This is what I think happened. I think Misty would give Ronald up now but she doesn’t know where the body is.
October 16th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
I think it’s possible that one of the Croslin’s put her in the dumpster and that’s why the dogs hit there. Then Ronald or a member of his family moved her to another spot that only they know about. MO
October 16th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Mr Brown, CC stated she was up late doing the insurance papers. She stated she went to bed around 1:30 IIRC, ICBW. Given the fact that you feel the van was used, it had to be after CC went to bed. This leaves a much tighter time line for the abduction. CC lived about 25 mins away from Green Lane. This would put the van and the perp at Green Lane right around 2:00 to 2:30 AM. Depending on how quickly CC fell asleep for the van to be taken. About an hour to an hour and a half before the 911 call was made. This leaves a tight window of time. We do not know when the van returned to CC home but Tommy would have had to get back home, before LE went to his home after that 911 call. Weren’t LE at TC’s home around 3:50 that AM? CC said she and Tim were in bed when the around 4:00 am call came in telling them about HaLeigh missing.
Say 2:25 at RC MH 3:27 the 911 call, so about an 1 hour. Another 25 minutes back to Cresent city. Given this it would seem HaLeigh is close to Green Lane with not time to drive far off the route from Green Lane to Cresent City. With a round trip drive time of 50 minutes no off road stuff.
The Shell Harbor story does not have a time line that would allow all of this to occur IF CC was up until 1:30 and IF LE was at TC home as the record shows. To do the Shell Harbor thing they would have had to make it to Shell Harbor and back and then JO would have had to drive back the 25 minutes to Cresent City.
All the driving would have taken longer than this time line allows. MOO Shell Harbor is 22 mins from Green Lane. (per mapquest)The driving time for all of this driving alone would have been 1 hour and 34 minutes with no stops at all and certainly no time to hide or dump a body, IMO
If the time line of 2:00 (leave CC in the van )AM to 3:47 (LE are at TC) is used that totals 1 hour and 47 minutes. That leaves only 13 minutes to pick up TC at Tyler and to do everything at the MH and dump the body as well. Not impossible but highly unlikely IMO. TC needs to think again IMO. IIRC he said JO picked him up by was it , 12 AM. ICBW. Well if that is the case than CC needs to think again. Cause she was either not up until 1:30 or JO walked out while she was still up. Can you help me out with this time line thing cause it just does not fit what TC has given , if you believe CCâs account as you have stated.
All a puzzle to me
October 16th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Well if it was the Aunt we will never know now. Unless she told Ron later. Ron is never going to tell because he only has 15 years which is alot less than the 25 he pled down from. And he has stopped all interviews. I wonder if Misty could prove Ron was involved could they threaten him to tell the truth or his plea deal would be null and void? hmmm. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
I believe after all this time that Chelsea would do just about anything for Misty. I have heard that the perp of a crime actually stays close to a case and is sometimes very involved. Arsonists have been known to be in the crowds that form while the firemen put out the fire. Murderers show up at funerals etc. This woman has even tattooed Haleigh as an angel on her foot, that is over the top. imho
October 16th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
I do like the idea that Ronald is boxed in w/ that plea deal and I hope that some hard evidence comes to light so they can use it as leverage someday. I don’t think he’ll fess up but at least they can give him the full 25. Maybe more? Didn’t his 5 counts add up to about 90 yrs?
October 16th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Croslin’s sister-in-law, Lindsy Croslin, described the young woman as “a good girl” and “fun-loving.”
“She just got caught up in this,” Lindsy Croslin said.
“Misty has never been a leader. She puts her foot in her mouth sometimes,” Lindsy Croslin said
Well this certainly does not match up JMO
October 16th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
That tattoo of Chelsea’s is over the top. AH said that LE told him you can’t apply normal behavior to these folks. ITA
I’m not sure what Chelsea’s involvement is but I do think she lied about the bus stop. MO
October 16th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
And she is probably sorry now that she stook up for Misty. Look at everything Misty has done for her. Lindsy had an addict for a husband, one Misty got involved in a drug sting, called him an incestuous pediphile messing with her, and more or less destroyed a family. Not that Tommy needed help because he also allowed it to happen.
I believe if Lindsy knew what was happening she would have told even if it was her husband. She worked to hard to get her education to throw it away protecting even Tommy or Misty. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Grace Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Bump for barbara
October 16th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
It’s interesting that Lindsey fell off the radar. At least I haven’t heard anything about her since right after the Shell Harbor search. If I were her, I’d change my name, the kids names and not look back.
I’d like to hear what she thinks of Misty now AND what she thinks happened that day/night.
October 16th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
barbara Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 5:52 pm There is a lot more creditability to my statement than there is to the one that Santos and his GF are credible. He has a pretty interesting record .IMO and who really knows her story? I have not heard anyone other than posters call her and her account credible. Of course her account does tarnish MC so it figures some would call her account credible.
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What statement are you making? I thought Chelsea was making a staement? And Santos has a record but I wouldnt call it extensive. And it seems he was a pretty good guy from everything people have posted on his facebook acount. He left for NY recently and people were going to miss him coaching the little league down there. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
In the very beginning all of the Croslin woman stuck up for Misty. Once she was busted in the drug sting happened they started singing a different tune. We hear how Lindsey felt about Misty in the jail conversations. It even got to the point that Lindsey did not allow Austing to visit Misty and Misty called Lindsey a B. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Santos and Steph were definitely at the bus stop that day. CC claims she and Ronld were there. They say Ronald was not there. They mentioned Lyndsey being there not CC. The truth is our statements are formed by the info we receive and that is when we choose to believe or disbelieve what that person says and that forms our opinion.
Unless one of us was actually at that bus stop that day like Santos or Steph were who are we to claim what they said is not likely the truth. They are just witnesses with no stake in the situation. No need to lie for any reason. That is why I believe their accountability. IMO their statements will always be more credible than mine because I was not there to dispute it either way.jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Misty affected a lot of lives…always in a negative way. I used to think she was over-charged but now I’m glad she’s going to rot behind bars. Her and Ronald both. MO
October 16th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
If you ever figure out some of that stuff that barbara posted to me, let me know because it makes no sense to me. She’s either delusional, or thinks I’m someone else OR is trying to make it appear that I’m talking trash about SKB somewhere. Now that it’s put up or shut up time she shuts up so what does that tell you?
It’s been my observation that those that over- identify with the players lose themselves in the process. The lines get blurred and that’s why they take everything you say about the person they’re defending so personal. I’ve seen it happen over and over again. It’s weird to say the least. MO
October 16th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Grace she thinks you are someone in our private forum. I just got what she meant in one of the post she responded to me and I was confused about what she was saying. I now understand the comment since this occurence has taken place. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Thank you, lfj.
Get a life barbara and keep your petty wars on the private forum, ON THE PRIVATE FORUM. Don’t bring them here and try to dump them in my lap. I post HERE and it’s bad enough dealing w/ you on one forum…I couldn’t stand two, trust me.
NOW I’m done w/ this unless it comes up again.
October 16th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Santos could very well have assumed It was Lindsy whose van it was and which was usually used picked up her son, Austin. It’s not like the three Croslin women don’t look similar – long hair and/or pony tails and it was Lindsy’s van. How they missed not seeing Ron’s purple car or how they missed seeing Chelsea sitting on the hood of the van (don’t think that is likely as vans have slanted hoods), don’t think Santos is lying but he certainly could have assumed it was Lindsy.
To my knowledge, there was never a time stated that Chelsea went to bed that night just that she ‘stayed up late working on insurance papers’.
October 16th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
I am not sure what you are asking me here Tobais. Can you clarify? TY
Santos did not live a spotless life style and had some pretty serious things on his record.IMO
I do not mean to suggest JS did not have friends or that no one liked him. I just think (and this is my own opinion only) since his father worked for DCS and if his GF saw a child being abused as she stated, why did she wait to report it to media weeks later and not to DCS that very day right after the bus stop? Also if he knew RC was 26 living with a 16 yr old why not report that as well? Seems when Media shows up he finds his voice other times not so much. JMO
The filing a false police report is what makes me doubt his credibility
Here are this list of things I saw on his record..
1 ARREST REPORT – D/S BECKTON POSS OF CANNABIS
1 POSS OF DRUG PARAPHERNA
1 GRAND THEFT 1 FILING A FALSE POLICE REPORT
1 ARREST REPORT – D/S A HOPKINS ASSAULT-DVR
1 NO CONTACT WITH ALLEGED VICTIM
1 DOMESTIC BATTERY
October 16th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
He was going through a nasty divorce I believe since I looked into the dockets for civil not just criminal and other dockets. And the pot charge was for such a small amount it was probably 1 joint. All of these were back in 2003.
I would call this an extensive record. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Sorry would not call this
October 16th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
And maybe it was reported? Since those records are not public none of us know what was reported or by whom. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
I think it’s kind of a stretch to call AH and Cobra “media.” Just sayin…
October 16th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
I believe Cobra went down there with good intentions, he was asked by a preacher. I dont believe this is his usual work but he tried and I believe if people would have been straight with him he would have got to the bottom of it. Just saying no one was telling the truth to help find her. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
I also do not believe this would have got any attention or very little without Cobra and AH.
I followed the Hassani Campbell case in Calif. and in just a matter of weeks it was cold, done . nothing, he is still missing. NG covered it one show. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Celina Cass, nothing ,they found her but thats it..
The Baby Kate Phillips, nothing, father charged with parental kidnap but no baby, media…nothing for some time.
Just to show some cases go unnoticed, Haleighs got noticed, did it help? No but if she was actually abducted I think it would have. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
There has been claims that Santos wanted his 15 min of fame and that he opened up when media appeared. AH interviewed Santos and Stephanie. I don’t know if Cobra was there but they did work together at the time.
AH w/ a microphone isn’t my idea of media. No one in the msm ever interviewed Santos, tmk, so he didn’t even make the local news. Not much incentive for someone looking for fame. MO
October 16th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
200.tobias Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
He was going through a nasty divorce I believe since I looked into the dockets for civil not just criminal and other dockets. And the pot charge was for such a small amount it was probably 1 joint. All of these were back in 2003.
I would call this an extensive record. jmo
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I did not say extensive record I said “interesting record”. Go reread my post.(150) He did admit to hitting his wife to police and I do not think a nasty divorce can excuse domestic violence. JMO
As I said filing a false police report makes me question his credibility.
October 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
You are entitled you your opinion as I am mine. And yes you did say interesting I said it wasnt extensive. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Tobias of course I was not debating your opinion just explaining mine as I thought you misunderstood that I had said interesting not extensive.
Have you seen this and do you know if it is true?
brandon overstreet and joe overstreet and brandon frye are all cousins and were all in florida
joe is in tn
“brandon has been in midland jail since march 1st
and brandon frye has been in tn jail since mid march and was for the most of last year as well
brandon overstreet lived in florida at the time
and brandon frye and joe overstreet were both in fl visiting relatives and were both transported there by a female (not sure if they were together at all but i d wonder why we never heard his name frm any reporter at all even the hack reporters his criminal tendencies and rap sheet make joe look like an angel in fact he was the ne tat took the pic of joe holding the gun that he has on his ms”
October 16th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Barbara,
I wouldn’t put a whole lot of confidence in CC’s timeline that she went “to bed around 1:30. We will get to the time line of later that night in a few weeks. What is important about this post is that Haleigh was at the Mobile Home on Green Lane the evening she disappeared.“
October 16th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Brandon has been in Michigan for a pretty long time. I read his my space a long time ago. He once lived in Daytona but that was long ago. I do not know of any Brandon Frye. I know Brandon o. is a cousin because of his pictures with Misty.
And his my space connections to her. Joshua is also her cousin Brandons brother both are and have been living in Michigan for a while way before this happened. Josh was and is in prison as is Brandon o. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
And if you look closer at Joes my space it is a spray nozzel not a gun or any gun barrel I have ever seen. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Where are you getting this info? About Brandon Frye? Link please if you have it.jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
You are right Tobia he is holding something but it does not appear to be a gun. On his original MS page in the begining of the case he did have several guns on his page. That was the one where it said “if you don’t remember it it didn’t happen”. this apprears to be different from that one… no guns that I can see.
October 16th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Thank you MR brown, I do look forward seeing more.
October 16th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
216.tobias Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Where are you getting this info? About Brandon Frye? Link please if you have it.jmo
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7184.1425;wap2
I had never really heard this before and was sort of surprised to see it. I do not know if it is true and was wondering if you or LFJ had any info concerning it. This was posted in April 2010 as you can see. In the begining of this case almost nothing was relaible that was being said. As time went on things got a little more settled and some were researching for facts. Don’t know about this.
October 16th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
The one with the bible and the gun with a rosarie wrapped around it is a poster not an actual pictre if thats the one you are talking about, but who is Brandon Frye and where are you coming up with the info he was in florida? I have never seen this info anywhere. jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
It was posted by Bearlyhere
Haleigh Marie Cummings #32 4/13/10 – 4/15/10
On the next page on the link I posted
October 16th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Sorry no info on this person or any connection. I will try to see if it leads anywhere but it is the firt I have seen his name appear in Haleighs case.jmo
October 16th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
I just watched the Amber Dubois case. Interesting to know that LE gave Dave (Amber’s step father ) 8 LDT in the first few days of the investigation In that case Amber‘s mother suspected Dave. It destroyed their relationship and Kerry moved out. She said she could not sleep next to the man who may have harmed her daughter. They both said “you suspect everyone and begin to think of all the people you know and family members and think are they the one.? Do they know?” Dave said he wanted LE to “move off of him and start looking in other directions to find Amber”. The never did until her murderer confessed. He said “ Just move on from me and find her” “At one point Amber’s mother told LE to arrest Dave. “just take him in and arrest him”
Dave was told he could not search for Amber or even participate in any of the searches for her. When he asked why he was told “You do not want to find Amber , because if you do you will be charged with killing her.”
Amber’s mother hired a K 9 search team and they tracked to Amber’s high school and continued on to an Indian reservation 40 miles away from the school. The dogs stopped tracking there. We know that Gardner was eventually charged with Amber’s murder. He led LE to Amber’s body 13 months after Amber’s abduction, in exchange for taking the DP off the table in the death of Chelsea King whom he also murdered. Amber’s body was found 1 mile from where the dogs stopped tracking. It was not until Gardner confessed that Dave was cleared. Dave was under suspicion for 13 months. If Gardner had not offended again. Killing Chelsea King, Dave would still be LE’s “prime suspect”
At the time of Gardner’s arrest he was a convicted SO who had spent 6 years in prison for assaulting, and raping a 13 year old girl. He had numerous parole violations at the time of his arrest as well and should have been picked up on those violations months before Amber was abducted.
Gardner admits to having been violent since he was about 14 years old.
We all have opinions on how people should act or behave. We all know “what we would do” (but not really)We all see stories change and finger pointing in HaLeigh’s case. So many things we make our judgments on. Weird accusations and instability in all the people close to the case. It seems a lot of these things are really normal in these cases. We do not know because we do not experience these crimes first hand up close and personal. Thank God . But LE and those who do have the misfortune to experience an event like this do know. If you follow cases like this closely you will see that the finger pointing, changing suspects or theories is something quite common with family members and close friends in these cases. Everyone is like a dear in the headlights trying to decide what to believe and who the “guilty one is” including acquaintances, friends, and family members. They are all trapped in a nightmare and have no way out.
October 17th, 2011 at 5:29 am
I know a familiy a lot like these people, and they’ve been through some similar circumstances. no missing child, but a drug murder and an OD’d teenager. From watching them, this is what I think might eventually happen in the Haleigh case. First of all, believe it or not, people in trouble talk. They tell their family members some things, their friends other things. These people then talk, and word gets around. Cops listen to the rumors, and after awhile, they can sort through the boastings and the lies, and get a pretty good idea of what happened. Another thing…these families may seem loyal, but they’ll turn on each other eventually. There will be a falling out, a feud will erupt, everybody will pick sides, and one of them will go to the cops. I would imagine by now, more than a few people have heard enough of the truth, to fill in a lot of missing blanks. maybe even where Haleigh’s body is. Being a ‘snitch’, doesn’t come naturally to most people, but after awhile, somebody usually comes around…especially if there’s a feud involved. There’s usually that one family memeber, who is just chomping at the bit, to get back at so & so. In my opinion, there are too many people involved, for this case to stay unsolved. Now, proving it, is a whole other matter.
October 17th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Cheryl that is an awesome post but so true.
I have seen the Amber Duboise story. This mother was suspicious of Ambers step dad. She left him quite the opposite of marrying the one LE is suspicious of .
This mother and step father did not go out and tell lie after lie for the whole world to see.
Yes the LE are going to focus on the last person to see the child.That is normal protocol.
all imo
October 17th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I went looking for a Brandon Frye for Florida. The ones I found were 18,21,27,31. None of them live in Putnam County. All around Windemere fl, Rockledge fl , St. Johns fl,then the 31 year old lived in Gaineville and Indiaatlantic which is around Fort peirce area and Elpaso TX. None of the related names were familiar to anyone in this case thus far. I believe this person stating this was mstaken on her info. I will keep looking though.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 10:22 am
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7065.msg1078407#msg1078407
This is a pic of Joe and Misty hanging flirers, Wow look at Joes skinny arms. I had seen other pictures but not this one. jmo
Still searching for info.
October 17th, 2011 at 10:25 am
DOC for Tennessee has a Brandon Frye on probation in Alcoa Tennessee. Dont know if he is the one we are looking for though. jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Look at the time stamp. AH and Cobra were not down there until March so their info is second hand as to the very first couple of weeks. So did the person who told them Joe left that morning LIE? Quite possibly, did they say if Joe was alone on this visit? I have a feeling this Ann he came down with went on to visit relatives and for all we know she may have been visiting Brandon Frye. I am sure the FBI would have checked on her alibi to see if she or anyone else was in the area and they did search her car and spoke with both her and Joe. There is no mention from anyone about this Brandon being down there. jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Oh man I thought the girls name was Jennifer he came down with. Dont know why I thought that was her name. I do recall them searching her car. I recall reading that she dropped Joe off and went on her way to visit her relatives. She then returned and picked up Joe O for their return trip back to Tenn.
Alot had occurred before Cobra and AH came on the scene.
Santos and Steph had already been inerviewed by the FBI as well as many others.I know that AH firt told the story of Joe leaving the same day but later corrected it and let the readers know it was a planned departure.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 11:05 am
I wish we could see who the person is that is standing beside Joe in that pick helping him put up that flier.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I dont see any fresh bruises or cuts on Joe from any recent fights.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Do you see 3 people in that ptc, lfj? I just see Joe and Misty. Joe’s left arm is at a weird angle but I don’t think that’s another person. MO
October 17th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Meant pic not ptc
October 17th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Sorry you are right her name was Jennifer Allen.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 11:28 am
I see what you mean and not sure if there is another person there but worth looking into I would look for someone in that shirt with the green markings. Thin person too. Just like making sure we dont miss something so I will go back to interviews and look for that shirt. jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Yes Grace I see 3 people. There is someone right there beside Joe. the person is to the left of Joe and you can see they have two differnt shirts on. Joes hand is at the bottom of the pic and the other persons hand is at the top of Haleighs pic.
Do you think it is because Joe could not use that arm due to the gun shot injury he sustained prior to coming to Florida. Therefore, he was unable to hang the pic on his own?jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
It looks to me like he has his sweatshirt drapped over his right shoulder and the t-shirt sleeves look the same, as do the arms and the hands. Could be another person but I think it’s just the angle of the camera and the way he’s holding his left arm that deceives the eye. MO
October 17th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
you know Grace. I think you are correct and the sweat shirt throws off the pic. I do notice there are no abrasions,contusions, bruises. I wish we cold see bot sides of his face. He definitely does not have working man hands.I also would like a closer pic of Misty here on the 10th. She had on short sleeves here. I would like to see if there were cuts on her arms from Ron that past Thursday or any fresh bruises.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I think you are right if you look real close at the left wrist it looks like a injury was there at one time. JMO
October 17th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings%20%20-FL-/?action=view¤t=001-14.mp4
October 17th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
I noticed that dark mark on the left wrist too.
Good point about Misty being in short sleeves. In the other early pcs of her she had that green sweatshirt on.
October 17th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
If you look at her reflection she has on plaid shorts.
I find it interesting Ron hung up on First Coast news when they were asking to talk with Misty.
And this dispells the first le LDT she and Ron claimed she passed. They said it confirmed what they knew… and if you look at her LVA where she points at Tommy and Joe that also came up deception. Ron got a 40 something and they asked her why and she said she didnt know blah blah. She pointed at everyone but him during this time and of course her brother Timmy. And why didnt she mention AS being there? I would like to see how that registared, true or false. But she sure told about it in the Hypnosis where it wasnt going to show if it was true or false. jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
I noticed what PCSO had to say as well.
I have thought about those same questions time and time again. I will say though she made sure to say that Tim was Rons favorite in her family. Why she came up and said this out of the blue is beyond me.
Misty again spoke up for Tim to the press after Detectives went to Mass and questioned he and chelsea.She told the press to leave him alone that he (Tim) had nothing to do with it.I notice she does not say to leave Chelsea alone here.Detectives interrogated both Tim and Chelsea in that interview in Mass.jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Haleigh%20Cummings%20%20-FL-/#!cpZZ11QQtppZZ12
interesting page
October 17th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Did anyone listen to the whole Tommy call to GH on the Cranky site above? It starts out with GH telling Tommy his dad tried to commit suicide while drunk or high. It goes on to explain how the car was stolen. Her use of the N word may shock you so be warned. jmo
October 17th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
I tried to listen, but couldn’t find the link.
October 17th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
JO stated in a video interview that he left Satsuma the day of the 10th.JO stated he was interviewed for about 45 minutes and then let go. He did not take a LDT or at least does not mention that or giving DNA that day. He did say they took everything I owned or everything I had with me.
He said they took his belongings and checked his ride’s car and then he left(before being given his belongings back.) He was on his way out of town when he got a call that he could pick up his belongings. This is when they (the Croslins) took his things to the gas station and he met them there and got his belongings. It was originally posted by AH that JO “threw his cloths away in the gas station dumpster but LE recovered them.” This of course was AH’s incorrect version of what really happened. NG and several other news stations reported on JOâs record claiming he did have one and that he was registered as such, and that has never been retracted by any of the stations or shows thus far.
This was a staged shot by media for the article . I believe it was taken at the gas station where they gave him back his belongings JMO Everyone states JO was out hanging posters with MC that day. I have only seen this one staged shot so I do not know how many posters JO helped hang.
RC claims on the Cobra tape that JO’s GF was there at his MH on the 3rd day JO was in FL. When the gun was taken. I do not know if this GF spent anytime with JO while he was “visiting” the Croslins but RC does state she was there. So maybe MR Brown can verify with CC or someone if the GF did in fact hang around or come back occasionally while they were in FL. That really would not surprise me and I do not see that as being any real big deal.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
If that is the Kangaroo in Satsuma I dont believe it has gas pumps, trying to remember.I will call someone to make sure. I know The one in San Mateo, East Palatka and the one on 308B has pumps. This one in satsuma right on 17 is right across from a little vegetable stand and approx. 1/8 to 1/4 of a mile from 309.
AH was told by the Croslins about Joe dumping his clothes at the gas station. AH reported on his site that they checked to see if Joe was registered and there is nothing stating he is an offender. The main reason I leave this topic alone is because this kind of rumor could get someone killed and also if it is not true that person will never be able to get away from it. NG very rarely retracts anything. NGs main focus has always been Misty and that is all she cared about. Joe could be involved but it is not the story Misty told.I do recall RC saying that but I also recall RC saying that Joe told Hank Sr. that he was going to call his GF to pick him up and head back to TN.
I will say this I believe Mr. Brown when he said MIsty was there at the mh that night ,but in all honesty if Misty did not swear to the fact she was there and SKB saying so ,I would say she could not have been. LE says that nothing she told them corroborates the physical evidence in the MH. I take this as meaning there was no cleaning done. We saw dishes piled up in the sink in one pic, Dirty clothes were reported found in the dryer.;not freshly washed clothes. There must of been more that was not reported. Misty was unable to give an accurate description of what Haleigh was wearing. First she said PJs and then she said a pink shirt and tan shorts. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94620
It has gas pumps you will see the Satsuma Kangaroo in these pics Ger took.Ron/Tommy lived approx 3.5 miles North west of this kangaroo.Enjoy the pics.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Where you see the Sheriff sub station. That is the intersection of 309 and hwy 17. you would make a left at that light to go towards Ron/Tommys. From that intersection you use to could see the Haleigh bug center where it use to be and the sign of Haleigh but it is no longer there either. They put this sub station here after Haleighs disappearance.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94620&page=3
#68 this is the Kangaroo in San Mateo the one on the hill where Ron stopped at 3:12 or 3:14 am that Tuesday Morning.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 10:23 am
The dirty mh (Misty said she cleaned) the dirty clothes in the dryer and no detergent in the mh (Misty said she did laundry) the made bed (Misty said she was sleeping in that bed w/ jr) indicates that she was lying about what she did prior to the 911 call. I hope LE has more but those alone explain why they’ve been focused on her from the start and tmk that hasn’t changed. “Misty is the key.” LE has never wavered on that.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:48 am
LFJ said
I will say this I believe Mr. Brown when he said MIsty was there at the mh that night ,but in all honesty if Misty did not swear to the fact she was there and SKB saying so ,I would say she could not have been.
I agree. That is one reason I thought she might have been drugged or “out of it completely” at some point that night. The date rape drug causes people to have memory loss about events and entire time frames.It is pretty easy to get a hold of. JMO Too bad LE did not blood test them for drugs at that time.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I thought of Misty being drugged at some point, but not the whole day and the entire night leading up to Haleighs abduction/murder. I believe it is fair to speculate since Misty claims she was there all day and night that she would have been able to give complete accountability up until a certain point. You have to take into an account the August 2009 interview where Misty herself says that they got up late,the kids had eggs and Haleigh wanted the outfit from Grannys in Welaka so they went and got it. They then took her to school and Misty walked her in and then they went home and slept until 11 or 12.
Now in the prison interview she is saying that they dropped Haleigh at the bus and did what they had to do that day. One of these accountabilities are a lie.
According to LE nothing she said she did was done.
Misty has not been able to give any accountability thus far for what she was doing.I do understand why LE feels about Misty the way they do.
jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am
I was going to send this in an email to SKB but in light of the recent rumor mongering by barbara that I’m someone else, posting God knows what on a PRIVATE (how convenient) forum, I’ll make it public because she did.
I don’t think I know more about this case than SKB and never said I did. I don’t disbelieve SKB about anything he’s written here and never said I did. I DO disagree w/ SKB about a couple things. SKB doesn’t think Ronald was directly involved, I do. SKB said that Haleigh saying JO is ugly is motive, I don’t think that’s a very compelling motive. SKB thinks that Chelsea’s statement puts Misty at the mobile home and that the death took place there. I have a lot of questions about Chelsea’s statement but I also understand that SKB knows things that I don’t know about so my question and interest isn’t so much WHERE it took place as it is WHAT took place and who was involved.
I’m here because SKB is a trained investigator that has access to information that I don’t. I’m here because SKB says that all opinions are welcome here. I’m here because, as a member, I don’t think I have to worry about who has my IP or what they’ll do w/ it. That’s the reason I don’t join other forums and I’ve been pretty vocal about that. I’m not sure if barbara is delusional or your garden variety sh*t starter or both but I haven’t posted anywhere but here since IS closed.
AND last but not least, I don’t think SKB gets the props he deserves for his work w/ Crystal’s present atty in getting custody of jr back to his mother where I think he belongs. That’s a great deal more than her previous atty did, who ultimately made a HUGE contribution to Crystal’s character assassination. Odd that some overlook that very important fact.
AMO and just setting the record straight.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:58 am
And they have her cel phone records showing where she was that day. WBG called so wonder where that ping placed her? She claimed to be at Shands visiting her dad but in her statements she was with Ron and Junior all day in the MH.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Grace I know you have good intentions. The part of SKB Making a statement I know your laughing at me. POST 148 was a reply to me. I think it got misunderstood. He was not meaning laughing HAA HAA. He was meaning that He is a good detective and has info. He is working hard to find out what happened to Haleigh. I am he has seen it stated that people are snickering and saying things like that. I am just glad that SKB is doing what he can to bring Haleigh home and possibly Justice for what she endured. Haleigh is the victim. A young little life gone too soon. She is beautiful. I wish they would have protected Haleigh like they are protecting their butts.JMO
October 18th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
I agree Tobias. Why some of Mistys statements are inconsistencies some are just plain lies. There is no good reason to lie.
Then you have Chelsea Croslin . She has not been completely honest either. First she claimed Ron was wearing a light blue jump suit in the vey beginning, but just a few days prior to Mistys sentencing she comes out with Ron being the man in black disposing of Haleigh and saying he was wearing a black jumpsuit from head to foot. The Haleigh tat on her foot as an angel.Chelsea even implicates that Misty is not completely innocent. CC does not claim Misty is the perp but as negligent in the theory of overdosing,an accomplis
and having knowledge about what happened to Haleigh.Why would Chelsea do this to a girl she claims is her sister and that she loves her very much? When CC said if they would let her talk to Misty with nooone around privately she feels Misty would tell her exactly what happened. WELL, if that dont make CC sound like she already knows what happened but does not want to have charges of obstruction brought against her she needs to talk to Misty before she can tell the truth of the matter so that it sems like she(CC) just found out herself.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
True, And I wouldnt laugh at him for the reason I also had the exact same theory that Joe and Tommy did it, I didnt have the Shell Harbor but I did think she was in the river. The reason I dropped this theory is after Joe left they had the opportunity to tell LE everything he did. And Misty had her cel phone the entire time, she could have called for help as soon as they left the MH. They claimed to be afraid of Joe but they were always pointing at him, heck they even called him a child molester. Its possible they were trying to cause a witch hunt mentality concerning Joe. And if he did it both or at least one of them would have passed a LDT, BUT THEY DIDNT. JMO
October 18th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Just to make one thing clear on the jumpsuit of Rons. It was navy Blue and sometimes people do mistake it for black.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
I appreciate you telling me that because all I can go on is what I read here. I don’t know what goes on in private forums, obviously. All I can do is try to piece her rambling, cryptic stuff together. The insistance that I post somewhere else (she said that more than once) along w/ her comments about thinking I know more than SKB let me know that I need to set the record straight about where I stand, as well as where I post and why.
No one can speak for me better than I can and I didn’t like the implications she was making.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
I have to agree Tobias. I believe Misty would have came off this right from the start. I dont believe she would have endured all she did and continued to fabricate stories that could very easily be found out by LE. They needed an abduction case not a child murder case to be believed from the beginning.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
There is one person Tommy and Misty never pointed at and they grew up with him. Were they afraid of him? Maybe. We know very little about Timmy, isnt that interesting? jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Understanjmodable Grace.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
oops understandable
October 18th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Tommy really never pointed at anyone until he got pushed to the limits after being arrested on the drug charges.
You could tell by Mistys account of Timmy in the LVA he is the brother that she was closest too and would trust the most. She threw Tim in as being Rons favorite. She defended him in the media and it was reported that Misty called Timmy; not Tommy several times that night. Only Ron was reported for calling Tommy. Coincidence? Maybe? jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
And another part of the story that just doesnt fit is why Misty and Tommy would allow Joe to go back to where Timmy and Chelseas little girls were. Wouldnt Misty be very concerned even in the beginning with him being around them sleeping close? I think if it were true that he was a molester she would have been. I just have a real hard time believing any of this story. Sorry. If there was more then just them pointing and accusing I may change my mind but right now I just dont believe it. Same for the gun. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Why doesn’t LE strap Chelsea up why and didn’t they take her up on her offer of her private talk with Misty? They could have ‘privately’ recorded it. She can’t visit Misty due to her marijuana possession charge (which I don’t recall her ever being sentenced for – perhaps she has?) She also has some kind of record in another state she was trying to get that Tina Church to fix, before she was caught with the marijuana, so she could visit Misty. If that is true, of course. Could be one reason Timmy never spoke and let Chelsea do all the talking is he has guilt and/or knowledge and Chelsea doesn’t or didn’t know it. So he just let her do all the tv and radio interviews perhaps squirming the whole time. Someone took the van to Ron’s that night. Or at most, two people from Timmy Croslin’s residence did.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Surely Jr would have recognized his own dad, no matter what he was wearing. I need to find the link, but I think Crystal said Jr said he was a black man, wearing black, and that Misty was there and asleep. I don’t know how easy it would be to convince a little kid of a lie…maybe just repeat something over and over until he starts repeating it too. So, I do wonder if Misty was actually asleep. On the 911, Misty didn’t sound drugged or drunk or coming down, IMO. She seemed alert, pretty sharp, and was sober enough to manage the call. She was upset and panicked, IMO, but not high. At times, she DID sound like she had just awakened, but I’m not sure. About Chelsea…I’ve never thought she was covering for a murderer. IMO, it seems like she is guessing, but deliberately not suspecting her family.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Its possible Junior was told this or heard just the fact someone came in and stole his sister. Ron also was yelling at Misty about how could you let the take my daughter (biotch) Junior would automaticly believe this is what happened. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I wish LE would strap CC up. In the beginning she could not take an LDT she was PG.
She now says she will not be interrogated by LE anymore.
I am not sure how things got turned from a man in black to a black man in black. It was said originally a man in black. Chelsea claimed that Jr told her this in the first few days of Haleighs disappearance. Well Crystal did not bring that out to the public until approx 2.5 to 3 weeks after Haleighs abduction/murder,so how did Jr tell Chelsea in the first few days and not tell Ron, TN, AS. Recall Ron saying in the interview after he and Misty were married and went to NY for their honeymoon along with TN and Crystal Cummings, on the Today show that Ron said he believes that Crystal S. and Geraldo made that up. Then AS came out and said none of that was true because Jr changed his stories were not consistent.Post 115 has the info on CC statement of jr telling her this in the first few days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5vsh9t3Q4U
There is a media clip of AS telling that Jr saw a man in black and he took his sissy. he was wearing a mask like a ski mask with the eyes missing. This clip only played one time and AS was sitting in a lawn chair telling this to a person doing the interview. It was the first day or two of Haleighs disappearance.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
http://mamanetbebe.blogspot.com/2009/03/haleigh-cummings-update-4-march.html
October 18th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Ron is so full of BS in this clip because he is the one making this about him by doing these strange things. His private life, yeah they should have asked then why did you give us footage of your wedding? jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
LOL! Tobias. You got that right!
Ask Ron a question he might have to answer ” I was at work” LOL jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,499505,00.html
In post 273 it clearly states that Jr told Ronald and LE about the man in black shortly after Haleighs abduction. LE knew from the start.
this is just another supporting linkjmo
October 18th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
The only thing is that in the Today show clip when the interviewer asked Ronald if He believed Jrs story all he could say I dont know I was at work. WELL, I dont think that answer was quite appropiate for that question.JMO
October 18th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/TJ-WARD-lva-resized
the LVA analysis report.
October 18th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
True when faced with a question he doesnt want to answer its either I was at werk or youll have to ask detectives. Just like the door, he knew from the moment he saw that door it was not broken into. Heck Misty even told the 911 operator it was not broken into. Misty knows because it in my opinion was staged right before the 911 call. Ron in my opinion heard Misty and tried to change what she said because he clearly says the lock is busted sideways which it wasnt, kinda makes ya wonder why he lied to Greta too. Bet LE wondered why too.Then Ron claims to not even know there were blocks in the backyard stacked by the shed, which is really unbelievable since he worked on his vehicles that were parked back there. I wonder how many times he used a block under them when he jacked em up to change the oil? LOL poor people do not go to Jiffy lube. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
It says truth samples 10 were true so Misty can pass this if she was truthful. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Do any of you hear the hypnosis test in the link of the LVA ananlysis? I can hear it on mine.
October 18th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
oops I must of it that link also. I had two windows going at one time. lol
October 18th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Totaly agree on your post Tobias.
I find it interesting that when Misty talks about Tommy trying to kill her father and starting a fight with Ron it came up as inaccurracy
Then where she talk about Tommy putting his hands on her it came up deceptive iirc.jmo
My brothers wife van was inconclusive
Misty got stressed about the scratch on the side of the van
deceptive on the part about a branch sticking into the headlight.jmo
about Ron being involved inconclusive
Misty saying she did not have anything to do with it inconclusive.jmo
further down it addresses #42 and #47
42 is Misty saying she had nothing to do with it, probable false
It does not explains the answer to Rons involvement#47 inconclusive.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
I do recall TJ ward on Levi s show saying though that that question about Ron came up as deceptive.
Perhaps I can find that show in Levis archives. I will check on that and see.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
It shows truth in that she called Ron to come home.
False about Joe not wanting to go down there.
Extreme tension right around the time they ask her something and she says she is 17. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
I told you everything I know then there is extreme stress right after that statement and she says I am 17.
I have taken several LDTS and a LAV for a job (it involved large amounts of cash handled on the job)
And I know for a fact they ask you several statements that are true such as your name, age,etc.
Then they ask you to lie about the date or day, and things that are clearly lies to get a accurate rate. I was told the only people who can not pass a LVA is someone who has a monotoned voice. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
yes it does show truth about her calling Ron to come home. Do you think this could be the 8:30 pm call? Right after that Ron made the call to Tommy at 9pm.hmmmmmm jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
False statement that Haleigh was gone. I wonder if she was freaking out (which is true) because Haleigh was there and dead? she is truthful that she was calling Ron home but at what time? Was it 8:30? I still something happened at this time because she shut her cel phone off then according to Ron who claims this is why he calls Tommy to see if she is there.That call was reported to be at around 9. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Jinx buy me a coke. LOL
October 18th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
good info Tobias. I had no clue about the LVA test.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
LOL!! funny you should say that. That is what i am drinking right now. LOL Great thought though!! lol
October 18th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
If you notice it was deceptive when Misty said she could not find Haleigh.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
Also keep in mind that Tim Miller said that the questions on the LVA were the same as the ones on the poly he had her take and she failed the same exact questions with the same percentages.jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I wonder what questions she was asked in the very last LDT about the Joe story. Because on this one she mentions Joe and it comes back as deception. She talked about him not going down there because he was scared like he had something to hide. She also talked about the gun. I am going to go back and listen to when she was saying this and try to match up the deceptions on here where they dont tell the questions. See ya soon. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
missing 6 year old girl 5225 Semoran Blvd Orlando,fl area. She was walking home with her sister. They got seperated and when the sis looked forher she could not find her. She had on a pink shirt ,jeans and a hello kitty back pack.Missing since about 3pm this afternoon.
I have not seen a pic yet
October 18th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
hOPE THEY FIND HER LIKE NOW. JMO BBL
October 18th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
cool
October 18th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
wOW THAT WAS FAST THEY FOUND HER UNHARMED.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Yeah Thank God they found her unharmed. jmo
October 18th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
I’ve wondered if jr was even there…at least by the time the 911 call was made because you don’t hear him in the background at all. It seems like he’d be crying about his sister being missing and all the chaos and screaming that was going on. Unless he just shuts down when he knows his father is angry so he won’t get hit. That’s a possibility too, I guess. MO
Re Chelsea, Misty, Tommy and JO. I couldn’t agree more that if they really thought JO was so crazy, dangerous and a molester, why did they allow him in their house and around their kids? In Misty’s 5-11 interview she says JO wasn’t at the house that night. She said the only time JO was there was when he was w/ Ronald but she doesn’t say when that was.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:51 am
I’ve been thinking about why some of us, after this long, are still hanging with this case. Some people are focused on justice for a little girl, while others, want closure and answers for a family. I agree, but I’m also interested in the psychology of these people. I want to know what makes them tick, and I want to know what it would take to get Misty to crack. Really crack and back it up with a passed LDT. And this has me thinking about something. I’ve noticed in a lot of Misty’s interviews, even her last one, and in her letters, she is preoccupied with her ‘mother’ role. She seems to feel disrespected, under appreciated, and misunderstood. She seems defensive and resentful. It’s my opinion, that she feeds off this resentment and uses it as justification, in keeping Haleigh information, including a body location, to herself. One of my pet peeves, has been the way LE has hounded her and labeled her the key. I understand the need to apply pressure, but it hasn’t worked. Anyway, I was wondering what kind of approach might work. I think if LE worked the ‘mother’ role angle, they might get somewhere. Convince her that they believe she had a hard job, and that they know she did do a lot of good things. Annette Sykes said that Haleigh looked like she had stepped out of a beauty shop every morning, Chelsea talked about their matching outfits, Misty babysat and got Haleigh to and from school, and she said that she was the one who got up, in the middle of the night, to massage Haleigh’s leg cramps. Tell her that they know she loved Haleigh, and Haleigh loved her, and explain that loving mothers, don’t keep these kinds of secrets. Anyway, after all this time, Misty still seems so resentful. Even if Misty is the killer, I think she can be reached.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:57 am
Grace, I was posting and âsparing â a little with Tobias on some things she was posting about MC being able to read and write pretty well. A post that was not to you or about you but you responded with posts 130 and then I was posting a general comment and you posted 133, which was an aggressive post in response to that.
I posted 138 to clarify I was not saying poor dumb MC and that it is hard for me to believe she has LE at a stand still. The rest of that post was not directed at anyone as you can clearly see if you re read my post. I never once indicated that anyone was laughing at MR Brown. Not you Not anyone else. In fact I donât think the word laughing is even anywhere in that post. None of that was directed at, about you or involving you at all. Not one word of it and how you thought it was I do not know.
When I said do my opinions anger you? Why? Because they do not agree with yours? I was speaking in general terms to anyone including you, who feel I am off the track they are on (which seems to be a lot of people in this case) Because I do not jump on board with the same opinions. Which does cause a lot of people to be angry with my posts or opinions. Which is really not right IMO since we all have a right to our own opinions and I am just a little tired of being attacked for mine.
You responded directly to me with post 139 and 140. Which were getting pretty aggressive, or so it did seem to me. When I posted about my not bashing these people and being able to hold my head up high that was not directed at YOU. I was stating why I do not participate in the sex accusations and the other really salacious stuff that there is no proof on. That is all. I find that stuff to be really unnecessary JMO. Some of us did have 2 years plus on another board and the administrator did stop the discussions on MC rape and other things when some posters brought those things up. That talk does offend many people or make them uncomfortable. Especially anyone who has ever experienced rape first hand (which does by the way include myself) MC raped was long before this case. I have felt the same way about this stuff since long before this case began and so do many, many others, long before this board. So no it is not directed to you or about you. It is my opinion and how I feel that is all.
.On post 154 you came back with your derogatory remarks about me. Which I did not respond to. I did move on.
Your post 166 some nasty comments from you to me and I did not understand that entire post.
I responded in 168 letting you know I did not know what you were talking about. To just move on .
Then you in post 172, you accused me of lying about you.??? That was just way to far for me. I never even mentioned you in anything to do with Mr brown or anyone else for that matter.
Then more aggression and negative comments directed at me again in post 191,197, 199, 256,262, I ignored all of that. 130,133,139,140,145,154,166,172,191,197,199,201,
205,209,256,262.That is 16 aggressive posts and many with nasty comments and name calling all to me that have you have posted. 10 of them came after post 154 in which you said to me
Grace Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
barbara- I know you like to drag this kind of stuff on for daysâ¦weeks because Iâve seen you do it to others. Iâve said my piece, I stand by everything I said and now Iâm moving on so youâll just have to get over it.
It is now Oct 18th and I am not the one dragging it on for days. No you have never seen me attack anyone this way and call them names and degrade them like this or carry on this way for days and weeks on this board. NEVER. I do not think the others on this board need to be subjected to this nor do they come here for this type of stuff. Certainly it is not what Mr. Brown intended this board for IMO. I have never said anything derogatory to you nor have I called you any names or attacked you in anyway. I do not know why you are being so aggressive towards me other than my opinions in this case, which I am entitled to and will not change just to please anyone or to go along with a crowd. I am asking you here and now, please out of respect for Mr. Brown and all of the others who are here, Please stop and let this go. I do not even know you Grace. I do not make my posts about you, to you or even in response to your posts and opinions, as you seem to think I do. Spare all of those here this unnecessary unpleasantness.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Ok let me direct you all to the main page of this site. Mr Brown has kindly put up another article called Mistaken identity. Everyone may want to read. jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Cheryl, that is an awesome #301 post and I think it could possibly work.I think that is a very good observation.jmo
Grace post 300 IDK if Jr was actually there, but as far as we know he was.I have a transcript on TN on NG. She says that Jr told LE the man in black info in the early am hours on the day Haleigh disappeared. LE knew right from the beginning. I need to find that link in my computer. I have so much saved.In that transcript TN does say that jr was at the mh. We have to take it for what is right now until we get more credible info I guess.jmo
I totally agree with you and Tobias that if Misty and her family knew Joe was bad news why would they allow him to come down and stay with them and be around the children.jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 11:06 am
http://co102w.col102.mail.live.com/P.mvc#!/mail/InboxLight.aspx?fid=1&fav=True&so=Date&sa=False&n=892263338!fid=1&fav=1&n=1277871760&mid=1c16aa3b-fa5e-11e0-b19f-00215ad7f156&fv=1
Baby Lisa.. Pray they find her.jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Wonder what the new dog training they dont want filmed is all about? hmmm. I will have to research to see if there is some new stuff out there I havent read about BBL. JMO
October 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
I have a bad feeling about this case. I hope it is wron and they find her safe and sound. They compared this case to Haleighs on JVM last week. It was nice to see Haleighs beautiful face on the media shot and JVM let everyone know there still have ben no charges and Haleigh has not been found.jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Those phones bother me… there was no reason for anyone to take them. There were other items in there of more value than the phones. I seriously doubt they had the new I phones. LOL And I can see having a glass or two of wine but when you get totally drunk and pass out that is a whole different story. And people do change when they drink, I would really like to here about the neighbor she was drinking with on the porch. And why they were getting tanked. jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Tobias me too. It is very odd. I wonder what it is the LE are looking for that they chose to get a search warrant? It sure dont look good.
I just wanted also to let you know that your cookie jar is full again. LOL!
October 19th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Took care of it, I wonder when SKB will post more info? I will be back later I am going to go look at some old videos of this case again. BBL
October 19th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
hopefully soon
October 19th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
cheryl Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:51 am
Great post and I do agree. I think That is one thing that has baffled me in this case. If something is not bringing results than change the way you are doing it. This squeeze MC stuff has given nothing concrete.
I said before that LE should get a child psychologist in to talk to MC and yes even a victims advocate expert. To see how her life has impacted her unwillingness to open up to day. If that is the problem here. It is just possible that if MC felt she had someone who was not attacking her, things would be brought to light in this case. She does seem to submit to any and every test requested of her and she seems to talk to anyone who shows up . Why not send someone with a different approach and do so testing on her as well? Not criminal test by psychological test to see that best way to approach her.
I think you have suggested a great approach and I do wish LE would give it a try. What could it possibly hurt ?
October 19th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
looking for justice Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Thank you for pointing this out LFJ. I am sorry Mr Brown and to everyone else here, I did not see it prior to my earlier AM post.
October 19th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
I did find more on Brandon Frye. See the below articles. Some are pretty interesting. I do not know what to think about these claims but if there is any trith to them what so ever. WOW for many reasons. JMO
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6473.500
Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #29 1/21/10 –
« Reply #504 on: January 23, 2010, 07:00:38 PM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6473.480
Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #29 1/21/10 –
« Reply #504 on: January 23, 2010, 07:00:38 PM »
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6473.460
http://www.myspace.com/380818970
THOMAS PANNELL
just go back down there and help find the lil girl it just might clear your name
Posted 2 years ago by JO brother in law.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7184.1440
brandon overstreet and joe overstreet and brandon frye are all cousins and were all in florida
joe is in tn
brandon has been in midland jail since march 1st
and brandon frye has been in tn jail since mid march and was for the most of last year as well
brandon overstreet lived in florida at the time
and brandon frye and joe overstreet were both in fl visiting relatives and were both transported there by a female (not sure if they were together at all but i d wonder why we never heard his name frm any reporter at all even the hack reporters his criminal tendencies and rap sheet make joe look like an angel in fact he was the ne tat took the pic of joe holding the gun that he has on his ms and my money would bet it was his gun)
http://www.myspace.com/brandon12345b/comments
joe overstreet
http://www.myspace.com/380818970
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7065.140
Re: Haleigh Marie Cummings #31 2/20/10 –
« Reply #151 on: February 20, 2010, 08:33:59 PM
there is also brandon overstreet he is misty’s cousin dark skin that you have probably seen in pics with misty… they are different however brandon overstreet used to live in orlando but afterward moved to tenesse with an aunt named tina (not overstreet) and this aunt of brandon overstreet named tina who lives in tennessee is best friends/sister with brandon fryes mother… brandon frye was in florida for a month beginning shortly after feb 4th visiting an aunt marilyn who i have not pinpointed yet to this day
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7065.500
Note I did not correct for errors and just CC and pasted as was origianlly written.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
you are welcome Barb
October 19th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Lfj- It’s just something that I’ve always wondered about because you don’t hear him in the background. Nothing major, just one more thing that doesn’t fit.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
GRIFFIS: I have no idea. The last we heard, the officer was going over to my son`s house to talk to him about what Ronald had told him. And Ronald`s not — I mean, Marcus (ph) is not the only person that Ronald had this story to. We have a lady that stays up here at our tent. She`s from Pensacola, Florida. She come here when she heard this on the radio. They come straight to here to be with us. We don`t know these people. We just met them. Her name is Teresa (ph). And she went down the day she got here, which was Thursday, to Ronald`s tent. And she was off to the side talking to him, and he told her that he was 75 percent sure he knew that Misty`s cousin, Joe, took Haleigh. So the stories kind of match
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/23/ng.01.html
the snippet is from this link.
I had heard before about Rons statement being 75% sure who took Haleigh. He denied saying this in the Geraldo interview. Ron said if he was 75% sure who had Haleigh;he would have Haleigh back.
I never knew that he said it was JOe Overstreet . This is well before Rons interview with Cobra in March of 2009.
I am looking for the transcript I had of TN saying Jr was at the mh and that Jr. told LE about seeing the man in black on the early AM of Haleighs disappearance. Once I find it again I will post. ALL IMO
October 19th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
I believe Ron did say it but he also was making statements about Crystals family taking Haleigh at the same time. He was deflecting off of him because at this time LE was hauling his butt in alot to talk with him, then he lawyered up and resisted talking all together after that. Then he got Shoemaker(criminal attorney). jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Crystal to my knowledge only had family practice lawyers, never a criminal lawyer. jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
I remember seeing that lady on a video about how she was staying there until they found Haleigh, she was pretty old. She said they could ask her to leave but she was staying put right there.LOL
She looked to be in her 70′s or older. jmo
October 19th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
GRACE: Interesting question. Let`s go to T.J. Hart with WSKY. What about them? Now, we know about the cousin that was in town and mysteriously disappeared when she goes missing, but he`s been cleared.
HART: That`s true. The cousin, Joe, as he was somewhat identified as, has been cleared as of Saturday afternoon at about 3:05, when Captain Dick Shuller (ph) said, No, he`s no longer a person of interest, he`s not a suspect. They cleared him, actually, early on in the investigation
this is from the transcript right above. The date of this transcript is Feb 23,2009
This from post 317 link.
I am not saying Joe O cannot be involved, but what bothers me here is no one is telling the Joe did it story like we heard it in April 2010. They are telling everything else on Joe why not the story from April 2010. If Tommy and Misty really feared Joe as they claimed and so worried that Joe O was going to harm Tommys children they would have never spoken out on him with the info they did.Most likely they would of turned him in immediately from the beginning if they were so afraid of Joe doing anything to them or their family. IMO
October 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
I dont recall Crystal having any Criminal attys either. Reports say Ronald lawyered up with a criminal atty early on. Misty did not obtain any atty I dont believe until August 2009.JMO
October 19th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
GRACE: As we go to air, we have just heard from local police, who say, in fact, they are not ignoring this theory, that they have been vetting this theory, along with several other theories about what has happened to little Haleigh, and that many points behind this letter are, in fact, credible, and they are, in fact, investigating it.
This is from the transcrpt that TN says that jr told le about the man in black the early morning that Haleigh disappeared.( yeah i found it!! )
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/23/ng.01.html Sept 23 ,2009
October 19th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
we know al ready that the drug arrest did not blow Haleighs case. Here is one of the Levi Shows with TJ Ward,Pat Brown and Tricia Griffith. They play Rons Jail interview. There are some interesting points in the show.Draw your own conclusions.jmo
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/01/drug-bust-in-haleigh-cummings-investigation
October 19th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
http://www.bloggernews.net/124340
Simon believes you have this case nailed.
you have told us that Haleigh was not put to bed that night. I believed you. I did however find in the Levi show above by sheer accident and in Simons article here it is reinterated.
jmo
thanks again Mr.Brown
October 19th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
To our Grace, I just realized as I posted the NG transcript snippets it started with Grace . LOL No offense if you dont like NG. LOL
October 20th, 2011 at 7:41 am
I can’t stand NG but it’s not a problem lfj, all her transcripts are like that. I may get confused but never THAT confused.
The irony of the last couple days is too funny, lmao.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:59 am
looking for justice Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Thanks for finding that but you really didn’t have to go to all that trouble. The 911 tape was redacted so it’s hard to put a lot of weight on what is there when you don’t know what isn’t, if that makes sense. I never really doubted he was there, it just seemed odd to me. I’ve never been in a situation like that (thank God) but I know my kids would never have been that quiet.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:56 am
Listening to the Levi show now and at around the 61 min mark, Levi talks about Amber saying that when she was w/ Ronald, everytime they’d cross that bridge, Ronald would say this is a good place to kill somebody and get rid of the body.
I’ve been looking for that! Good find, lfj.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/01/drug-bust-in-haleigh-cummings-investigation
October 20th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Correction- it’s at the 27 min mark.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am
I remember that being said early on in the case when she was being interviewed by Cobra and KP.
Amber in my opinion was afraid of Ron and his family, it also shows when her Grandmother calls to report Ron and Misty hanging around her Apt. building. jmo
October 20th, 2011 at 11:36 am
I remember it too but didn’t remember who Amber said that to.
I agree that she was afraid of Ronald. That’s probably why she didn’t pursue paternity. She didn’t want him in her life, period. Who could blame her. MO
October 20th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
This was the reason I never believed the Misty and Ron were trying to have a bay story. Ron had enough kids to support and I really doubt he wanted to pay Misty support money. jmo
October 20th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
You raise a good point and I don’t disagree but I wonder if he may have mislead her into thinking that he wanted a child w/ her. Chelsea said that he treated her like a princess in the beginning and making plans to have a family w/ her was probably part of that.
Misty got a big dose of reality when she did say she was pregnant tho, according to NayNay he denied it was his, rolled her into a ball to abort the child and then threw her into a mirror. MO
October 20th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
You are welcome Grace. NO problem really on the transcript. This time I re-titled it for easier finding.jmo
This is not the exact Levi Show I was looking for,but I had to listen to it in order to find out if it was. I have a couple others to go through. If I find anything of interest I will post them.
I agree that Ronald did not want anymore children,but I also can agree that Ron charmed Misty in the beginning and yes ,unfortunately she got a hard dose of reality.jmo
I will tell you ,going back and reading transcripts, listening to clips and radio shows knowing what has come to light thus far you pick alot up that you may have missed before. jmo
October 21st, 2011 at 4:28 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-baby-lisa-cadaver-dogs-detect-smell-deceased/story?id=14786129
This is so upsetting.This is not looking good. I was hoping my feeling was wrong.
inconsistencies diverting the case again! Pray for baby Lisa to be found and brought home under all circumstances.jmo
October 21st, 2011 at 5:24 pm
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7muO4aFOUF8AmQJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB2NGo0MnQyBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0FDQlkwM18xNDI-/SIG=136meq6vs/EXP=1319260686/**http%3a//www.kansascity.com/2011/10/20/3219848/lisa-irwin-spotlight-seekers-may.html
This is so true… Same as Haleighs case. Everyone has gone on to other cases and Haleigh has been left unfound, sad. jmo
October 21st, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Someone needs to send this to Hardy, he doesnt seem to be much like the Kansas City police. jmo
October 21st, 2011 at 8:30 pm
SKB Did you ever ask Chelsea why she was involved in the fight with Lisa Brooks? I notice Misty ,Chelsea and Lisa B. were all in a fight Lisa Filed charges on Chelsea and Misty filed charges on Lisa. Nothing came of it in court though. But I just wondered what caused this fight? And where did it occur? jmo
October 21st, 2011 at 9:25 pm
It is very scary how similar this is to Haleighs case. This baby is 10 months old. She is so beautiful. Haleighs beautiful. Heartbreaking. jmo
Lord I pray that these babies are found and brought home. jmo
October 22nd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
SKB Did you ask Chelsea what clothes Joe had on that night and if they were the same ones he woke up wearing? This is important only if they were different because LE would have wanted the clothes he was wearing if or when he was at the MH that night if its true what was being told by Misty. jmo
October 22nd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
I asked Levi for the show I was looking for or the link to his archives. He did respond and is going to get it for me. As soon as he responds with a link to the archives or the show. I will post for you all to hear.jmo
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:33 am
http://news.yahoo.com/police-freezer-remains-may-missing-maine-woman-204402248.html;_ylt=As_g7vpr5iIo0LTGdD3GXf1VbBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTRob2EzZHBvBGNjb2RlA2dtcHRvcDIwMHBvb2xyZXN0BG1pdANOZXdzIGZvciB5b3UEcGtnA2Q1Zjg5NDcyLWJkZTMtM2UwYi05ZDhmLTgxMDk5MzhjZGE0YQRwb3MDMwRzZWMDbmV3c19mb3JfeW91BHZlcgMyMzZmZDVmMC1mY2VmLTExZTAtOTdmNC0yNTFiYmExMGY3M2M-;_ylg=X3oDMTJ2Z3NobG5vBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNzg3M2UzYzItNDY3ZC0zYzcyLWJjNDQtM2JjOTI1NmJjNTViBHBzdGNhdAN3b3JsZHxldXJvcGUEcHQDc3RvcnlwYWdl;_ylv=3
In this link there was a body found 23 years later, wonder if LE checked the storage unit near Satsuma, Palatka? jmo
October 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 pm
WOW Tobias. Twenty three years later. If tis is this poor woman she can now be laid to rest. The perp has already died so there will be no justice on earth but would hate to be him right now in the after life.JMO
IDK if areas like that were checked. I would think they would need a tip in order to even think about a place like a storage shed. I do believe Haleigh was at one spot and then someone else came along and moved her somewhere else. JMO
October 23rd, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Cadaver dogs can be walked down passed the units and will react even that far away. Just the same way they use drug and weapon snffing dogs in the schools, they walk them passed the lockers and if they get a hit then they move forward with it.jmo
October 23rd, 2011 at 2:11 pm
SKB, Do you know if there really is a new detective on the case? And why no one has said what his name is or which part of LE he is with. Like PCSD, FDLE or FBI ? jmo
October 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
It would be a good idea for LE to check and see if anyone of these players have a shed or storage shed and check it out.jmo
October 23rd, 2011 at 5:23 pm
There is a new detective assigned to the Haleigh Cummings case. He is with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office. I have not met him and don’t know his name but I was informed by the PCSO a couple of months ago that he was assigned after Peggy Cone retired. Also I know that just recently, 60 days ago or so, the PCSO held a task force that went through all of the Haleigh material and I think, though I’m not sure, that the FDLE and the FBI were included in the review of the material. (So don’t quote me on the FBI’s and the FDLE’s involvement.)
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Speaking of tracking dogs, does anyone have a good link to the route the first dogs took? I remember the dogs starting at the back door and going to the water and railroad tracks, but I’m curious about what I remember as a meandering through the neighborhood. I’ve looked for a map, but a lot of information seems to be gone. Thanks.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:05 am
Cheryl
A canine officer followed a track that lead directly out the back door of the home and down a wooded path.
Deputies found what appeared to be a small footprint in the dirt, but noted Haleighâs shoes were still inside her home.
The tracking dog led deputies to a pond and back to Green Drive, Haleighâs street. Deputies looked inside a small building with a door that had been left open. Nothing was inside.
The track continued north past Haleighâs home down Monroe Avenue and onto Buchan Circle, which looped back to Monroe Avenue. The canine officer continued to track down Buffalo Bluff Road but lost the track at the railroad crossing.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116287515801680968232.00046d241c250db2896d5&t=h&ll=29.576742,-81.674423&spn=0.149591,0.22007&z=12
Here is an interesting map that shows where just about everything invloved or spokenof in the case in the case was located. It also shows the sexual offenders residence at the time of the abduction
The dog trail can be seen by zooming in and looking for the blue line. The line follows the tracking of the dogs.
Hope this helps
October 24th, 2011 at 1:14 am
Oh I forgot to mention, it may take a minute or two to fully load, so just give it a little time and you will see all the markers appear. The key will be off to the left of the map. Again just zoom in and the blue line will be clear. Don’t clink on the key for the dog tracking verbiage on the left or a different maker will appear on the map.
October 24th, 2011 at 2:56 am
Thanks. You guys are awesome with the links.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:18 am
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/04/19/haleigh-cummings-homicide-investigation
draw your own conclusions.jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
So according to TJ Ward Misty lied about Joe, interesting panel, I believe LP about the offer he made to Ron. I wonder if he ever heard the tapes of Ron and Cobra about the Shell Harbor area? This story was hatched by alot of people and Ron was the first one on tape pointing to the Shell harbor area. jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
I just listened to the link, and TJ Ward, left me a little confused. When he talked about Tommy and Joe, I wasn’t sure if he was referring to himself or Misty. He said something like, ” I asked her”, but then he blended the rest of his question with her answer. And from the way he worded his response, I couldn’t pin point the exact deception or inconclusive in Misty’s response. Was she lying about Tommy and Joe? Was she lying about Tommy in on it if Joe was? Could Tommy or Joe have acted alone? If Tommy was coerced, as he claims, would that, in Misty’s mind, be Joe acting alone? There’s just too much confusion, in what should be cut and dried. Also, was Ward not sure if she was deceptive or inconclusive? There’s a big difference in the 2. I’ve read that he might have been lying to Misty about her deception on Ron…as a tactic to get a response. In this interview, he leaves no doubt that she was deceptive. This could be huge, but only if this test is reliable. If he can test someone without a sit down interview, why didn’t he just point blank ask Misty if she, Joe, Tommy, or Ron killed Haleigh.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
This is something I’ve wondered, pertaining to Misty’s deception on Ron. If Ron wasn’t involved in Haleigh’s death, but he covered for Misty and she knew it, would she show deception on him? What if he lied to police for other reasons, but during the course of the lies, the truth got buried? Say, Ron got home earlier, cleaned the house of drugs, got his ducks in a row, and THEN went to the videoed store…he wouldn’t have been involved, per se, but he wouldn’t have exactly been out of the loop either. What if Misty knew something Ron had done, led to Haleigh being abducted? Even if he didn’t hurt her, would she think he was involved? I think I would, in that situation, but I don’t know how her mind works. TJ Ward told Misty she showed deception and asked her to explain why. Her response was a tearful, ‘I don’t know why’. What I’d like to know, is this… did she show deception on THAT response. I’m real curious about this, because it’s one of the few things that points to Ron’s involvement. But, I’m a little inclined to think he’s been covering for Misty, instead of actual involvement.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
I do not believe Ron would cover for Misty, she was on her way out. Ron was getting rid of her after that weekend but he needed a sitter for the time being. We have seen his history, he never goes without a teen to sit for him. I believe he would have lined up a new girl real soon if Haleigh hadnt disappeared. Ron showed no loyalty to the mother of his children, Misty wasnt even a long time girlfriend (just a few months) but she knew things he didnt want out in the media. Also I feel Misty was protecting him more than he was protecting her. jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
LDTs and voice Layered Analysis are just tools in search for the truth. The Voice layered questions that TJ Ward asked Misty were also the same exact questions that Tim Miller said was on the polygraph he had set up for Misty.Tim Miller then made the statement that Misty failed the same exact questions with the same percentages.I noticed in the show that there were some questions that were asked of Misty that came back as truth. On the Tommy and Joe question there was deception shown. The statement from Misty that it showed deception on was ” If Tommy was involved so is Joe” I am not sure if this meant both were not involved or just Joe. The statement mainly focused on Tommy.
I thought it was very interesting for Leonard Padilla to say that Chelsea drew a map of the Shell Harbour area in March 2010. Ron was the first to point to this area in March of 2009.Then Tim Miller said that Misty had this area on the list he had asked her to write down to search but they went with where the fake Rose was off Buffalo Bluff.This was August 2009.
Leonard Padilla talks about money being on Tommy and Mistys jail phone account. He said Misty had 100.00 but Tommy did not have any. Tommy had to have some money on that account because we heard Tommys call to Grandma Flo released by Mr.Werter himself.
I believe Leonard Padilla did in fact offer up the money to Ronald in search efforts for Haleigh. True ;most parents of a missing child would definitely take him up on his offer,but it could of been Leonards participation in Caylee Anthonys case that Ron did not want hoovering over Haleighs case. Haleighs case was already being compared to Caylees case.
Cheryl, I dont know Mistys mind either. IMO I dont see Ron covering for Misty.If anything it would be the other way around. I do believe that when Misty told the story that the black man outside of the family owned bar told Ronald who had Haleigh and he could get her back by that Friday if he had 35,000 and not to tell anyone or he would kill him (ron)I think Misty was implying here that Ron had done something that caused Haleigh to be abducted/murdered. We heard the story first from Hank SR in August 2009, then from Tommy in Jail and Misty from in jail in 2010.
I do wonder if LE ever contacted TJ Ward and had TJ analyze any of the others in this case after the Shell Harbour search by listening to their interviews given to LE?
All IMO
October 24th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
I have always wondered why Ron called Tommy about Misty that night and I have a feeling it may be connected to what he said about the drug boys.
First if he was worried why didnt he go home? Why stay at work and keep calling? Then the call to Tommy. Did he fear the drug boys had killed everyone in the MH and he would come home and find them? Did he decide instead to tell Tommy to go over there first? Just writing some of my thought on why he just didnt feel the need to go home but instead made all those calls. It seems like panic but he does nothing. hmmm. Then he is so calm he stops at the store to buy beer, p nuts and smokes for both of them. jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
IMO, Ron WAS worried and probably DID go straight home. IMO, he had probably been to the house, and cleaned up and got his and Misty’s stories straight, and then gone on the alibi run. I don’t have much to back up this theory, except what I’ve personally observed from drug users and dealers, and Ron’s work hours not really adding up. Also, on the 911, I didn’t hear much surprise. IMO, the surprise had had time to wear off. On the 911, I very clearly heard Misty say something like, ‘What did you do with?’…I at first thought the next word was, ‘her’, but after relistening, I think she may have said ‘it’. I also very clearly heard her say, ‘OMG, is it hope?’, and in the part where the operator is asking about the door, I very clearly heard Misty ask, ‘Did you lock that door?’. Last night, for the first time, I listened to Misty’s other 911, and it threw me for a loop. I still think her trauma and emotions were real in Haleigh’s call, but the other one proves to me anyway, that she was being very guarded in Haleigh’s. She was up a creek and knew it. After she checked the door, and reported that it did NOT look tampered with, I noticed a real hardness in her voice. IDK why, but IMO, she sounded pissed. Maybe because someone screwd up part of the plan? IDK, but I’ll have to relisten and think about it. Also, I do believe Ron would lie and cover for Misty. If she was on the way out, what better time to split up? whwn all eyes were on him. He married her, took those disgusting honeymoon pictures, and after the divorce, still stayed with her. But let me be clear. I don’t think Ron would cover for Misty if he thought she killed Haleigh. It’s my opinion, that he believes Misty didn’t kill Haleigh, but is culpable somehow. And if this is true, then I guess he has a pretty good idea of what did cause all of this.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
I have always wondered about what you said before Tobias. Ronald said he caled Tommy to see if Misty was there at his home. Tommy tells detectives that Ron called him to go check on Misty because he had tried calling her fr two hours and got no answer.Yet, Ron admits o arguing with Misty at 8:30pm by pone. Yet ,he stops at the store and buys Misty cigs and pnuts as wel as himself. At. 3:15am (time given in the show above) Ron knew that Misty was then at the mh Why did he not think she s there at 9pm when he called Tommy.jmo
I need someone to confirm for me on what I thought I heard AH say in the show above.
I thought I heard him say that Joe and Mistys brothers were over at the mh that day and that they were drinking some beers and that is when Ron was showing off the machine gun.jmo
I still keep in the back of my mind that IF the actual 2:13am call was Haleigh related and LE did check on things at 202 Green lane that wold make the actual 3:27am 911 call from Misty and Ron suspect right from the beginning.jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Ron is real good at alibis. He placed the calls like he was worried but never left work, when he did leave work he stopped to get on video buying beer, peanuts and both of them cigarettes. This shows LE he was looking for Misty to be there at the MH.jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
See thats the crazy thing about the gun story, if Joe wanted the Machine gun why would he bring trouble on himself by stealing the hand gun?
If he wanted the machine gun he would have gotten more aquainted with Ron and later waited for the opportunity to steal that one gun. The gun story in my opinion has no merit. jmo
The fishing on the pier has no merit either it was too cold for the gators to be out in the water let alone at night. jmo
Joe never fed gators deer because it was too cold for them to feed. Joe had just got there and he wasnt ever there before according to all of them he didnt know the area. Joe had just got out of juvie for stealing a car(Flora even said he spent his 18 birthday in juvie, Joe was 19 when he was down there) doubt he was in Florida recently if ever. jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
What if Ron did not have the machine gun when the hand gun got stolen? Perhaps Ron some how got that gun over that weekend. Just a thought.jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Ron is good at setting up alibis for himself. We see how he got Misty to alibi him for the rat in the mail box. We see how he stays behind the scenes until he thinks everything is clear like in the drug sting. jmo
October 24th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Very good points Tobias.jmo
October 25th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
SKB, Do you still talk to Chelsea and Tim? Or anyone in the family? I heard Tim is now living in Palatka, is this true? jmo
October 25th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Cheryl alot of good observations in post 360. I too on one hand believe Ron went home and then returned to work and stopped at the store on his way home.
On the part where you said you thought instead of where did you put her ; you thought you heard it instead. Now this maybe a coincidence but I just read Mistys letter to Chelsea and in that letter she writes “and they took it” not her or Haleigh. I will go post that link that has the letter on it so you all can read it .
I can see Ron covering for Misty but only if the evidence points to Ron being indirectly involved. I can see Misty covering for Ronald to keep him out of jail. She cannot be with him if he is in jail. If Misty is culpable in anyway then she is covering for herself as well. Haleigh is Rons heart according to everyone. Haleigh is a daddys girl per Ron,TN and AS. I just cant see Ron covering for Misty for even being culpable in his daughters death. If Ron has knowledge of what happened to his daughter ( which I believe he does) and did not go to LE with it then there has to be a reason why not. I dont think it is to save Misty more like himself. jmo
October 25th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
http://www.myspace.com/bb12-chris/blog/532783550
Here is the link with Mistys letter to her relatives. It has a lot of different stuff, but there is a JVM show to listen to that has TJ ward mike brooks, Levi page and Mark Eiglarsh. jmo
October 26th, 2011 at 12:58 am
cheryl Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Cheryl,
Here is some info on LVA testing
http://voicestress.org/
Table 3. Indicator values
Indicator % Probability
Sensitivity 73%
Specificity 52%
False Negative
Probability 27%
False Positive
Probability 48%
Voice stress analysis has been described as pseudoscientific,[1] and there is no known scientific basis for the underlying theory of “microtremors”. Federally funded research in the United States showed “little validity” in the technique.[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis
http://hnspolygraph.com/voicestress.php
As you can see on LVA tests, they are not at all reliable . It is shown that the false positve, meaning a person is noted as showing deception when they are actually telling the truth is 48%
October 26th, 2011 at 1:04 am
This may be interesting to some people
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/update_on_t_j_w.html
Some might find the below links interesting
http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=156054&catid=3
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/eddie-long-new-birth-1192290.html
One of T. J. Wards clients has been in the news
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported on 27 May 2011 that the lawsuits were settled out-of-court; terms were undisclosed.[34] Later reports indicated that although not a plaintiff, there was a potential fifth accuser who participated in the settlement discussions.[35] On 30 May 2011, an episode of the documentary series Sex Scandals In Religion [36] aired on Canadian television network VisionTV. It took an investigative look at the allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior by Long with young men in his care.
Bishop Eddie Long, the televangelist and head of Atlanta’s New Birth Missionary Church in Atlanta, is being named as a defendant in a new lawsuit. This time, it’s alleged that the bishop coerced nine members of his church into investing in a Ponzi scheme that stole at least $1 million of their savings.
The lawsuit comes six months after Long reached an out-of-court settlement with four men who had accused him of pressuring them into sexual relationships.
Google Bishop Eddie Long there is so much more.
I wonder why TJ did not give Bishop a “LVA” before he decided to represent him. TJ could have save face big time IMO
October 26th, 2011 at 1:24 am
I feel it may be a good practice to check up on people who have gained substantially from their association with “High Profile” cases and are involved with this case. Sometimes motives of fame and self promotion lead people to position themselves in these cases . When this is the motivation for involvement I think we have to question anything that person or people has/have “contributed” in these cases. Their involvement for me is suspect. When someone is on TV more than they are “working at their know profession” I have to wonder what they truly are doing in these cases. JMO Motivators and credibility should be a very important issue IMO
It does cause me to question why a TES founder and a investigator would hook up on these high profile cases over and over and have such controversial involvement in them. Going to media with “the bombshells” in these cases that those who trusted them find themselves the center of. 3 very high profile cases which none of these people helped solve or bring closure to in anyway. They did receive record breaking increased income, national recognition and book deals as well. What is the truth of why they insert themselves in these cases in unconventional ways?
October 26th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Insert themselves? I believe TN called Tim Miller to come do the LVA on Mistys request. She also wrote and signed a release to do these tests.
TES was asked to come look for Haleigh and when they were rumored to be leaving all family wanted them to stay looking and searching. jmo
October 26th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
SKB, When will they deem this a cold case? No tips,no information to follow, no one talking,no on going investigation in my opinion they have gone over the evidence they have and it goes no where so why not make this a cold case so other investigators can take it over and maybe solve it??? Misty doesnt seem to be talking and I doubt she ever will. As with the rest of them… jmo
October 26th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
You forgot the part that I stated “unconventional ways”
TM is not a detective and should have referred TN to LE for anything that was to do with that type of work. TM should never have been involved in anything more than the search. For him to send DB was way over the top. None of that is what TM there for. TM called Ward because he had a relationship with Ward from the Holloway case. TM was already convinced that MC was involved. For him to have his “friend” do testing was IMO unethical. TM had MC sign a release for the tests. So he kept himself clear of a law suite. TM knew MC’s attorney was against the testing and was not present. Even Ward knows LDT 101 requires the person tested to have representation at the test location. The proper procedures for these test were not followed and both TM an TJ Ward know that. The idea should have been squelched by TM IMO.
TJ Ward’s venture with the company who makes the equipment also leaves room for impropriety claims. IMO
October 26th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Here is some interesting info on LVA testing
http://voicestress.org/
Indicator values
Indicator % Probability
Sensitivity 73%
Specificity 52%
False Negative
Probability 27%
False Positive
Probability 48%
It is shown that the false positives, meaning a person is noted as showing deception when they are actually telling the truth is 48%
Voice stress analysis has been described as pseudoscientific,[1] and there is no known scientific basis for the underlying theory of “microtremors”. Federally funded research in the United States showed “little validity” in the technique.[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_stress_analysis
http://hnspolygraph.com/voicestress.php
October 26th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Tobias and gang,
The PCSO doesn’t check in with me. I sometimes check in with them. I would not expect this case to be made public or declared a “cold case” anytime in the near future.
October 26th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
SKB, Thank you.
October 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Barbara, thanks for the LVA links. Maybe some day this will be a reliable test, but right now, I’m not so sure. I also agree with a lot of what you said about Tim Miller, especially, pertaining to Donna Brock. There’s no telling what her insertion in this case, cost LE. Talk about muddying the waters. But, she’s paying dearly for her involvement. I’m not going to say she kept LE from solving this case, but she sure didn’t help.
October 26th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Thank you Mr.Brown. That is so good to hear.
Hope to read more of your transcriptions soon. Thanks again.jmo
October 26th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
No Tim Miller did not insert himself. He ws asked to come look for Haleigh. That is what he does. He left and then was asked to come back from The Cummings side of the family. They went through Mark Nejame to do so. Mistys attorney told Misty not to take the poly or anything else. Misty ignored her attorneys advice. Tim Miller did bring in Mr. Ward and John Gaspar ( ex-FBI). This is what Misty wanted. Tim Miller worked with LE. LE knew and agreed to using DB per Tim Miller.
No Tim Miller is not a detective and Yes he made sure he got Mistys consent in witing stating she was doing this of her own free will and that she chose to go against her attorneys advice.
These people were chosen to aide in trying to get to the truth of what happened to a beautiful 5 year old little girl.What better reason to get involved? I would do anything to find my chld if something like this ocurred. I commend those who had the best of intentions to find Haleigh and bring her home and those still workig hard to do so, yes Mr. Brown this includes you.jmo
Where s Haleigh.
October 26th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
cheryl Says:
October 26th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
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You are welcome. Sorry about the double post, I am not sure why that happened. I also agree with your thoughts on this.
I myself don’t feel DB had any effect on this case at all except to give TES a black eye. I think she may have been a little fly in the little bowl of soup for LE but not much more. ICBW JMO. TES is a great organization and I do believe they do great things. I just think TM needs to stick with searching and let LE or REAL investigators do what they need to do. I agree with Marc Klaas and his feeling on TM in this case.
I do think DB and her stupidity is a shame and my heart goes out to her family.
October 26th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Mr.Brown did Chelsea give you the time that she and Timmy left Tommys house to drive home on that Monday? Thanks in advance.jmo
October 26th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
LFJ, I respectfully disagree, (what else is new, huh ?) but really my comments or opinions were not meant to solicit a response from you. I do appreciate your opinions though.
TM and TES are not hired, they are a volunteer organization. They are not called in by LE to find out the truth on any cases, including this one. LE does not rely on , or call untrained volunteers to solve cases for them. IMO
You stated “Tim Miller did bring in Mr. Ward and John Gaspar ( ex-FBI). This is what Misty wanted”
As far as what MC wanted , she wanted to clear her name. She was told TM could and would help. I am almost sure MC did not know Ward or Gaspar , so all she wanted was TM’s help. Her attorney knew this would not be in MC best interest. MC had no idea what she was in for, but was willing to do what TM asked. As you said he did leave, but when TN called him, she called to have him talk to MC. He should have declined and referred her to LE. JMO It was LE’s job to talk to MC. Not TMs. How much ego does TM have thinking he (an untrained person in this field, with no effective experience) can “solve” cases LE has worked on for months ? He resolved nothing and he did cloud the issues with 3 ill performed and unreliable tests, not done by the books. He then released the info to media before giving it to LE. This in it self is unethical IMO. We know from DB why TM sent her to be with MC (they were hoping to gain MCs trust and have MC tell DB what happened). Even TM stated MC “took to DB and looked at her as a mother figure” someone MC could trust. The over 3000 dollars spent on MC’s and DB’s adventures in make overs was a waste of money. IMO The DB idea, well TM said he did this to protect MC from RC. We saw that that was bogus. RC and his family knew exactly where MC and DB were when they went to Orlando and everywhere else they went. TM kept MC safe from RC ? For what a minute in time? That was not honest and if LE agreed to the DB caper, it was because TM convinced them that MC was in danger from RC. Yet TM put info out to media saying MC “knows what happened” and failed her “tests miserably” and put MC in much more danger from many directions. I would bet LE was not happy when he did that. I am sorry but I can not respect that. I have not heard LE give support in any way to TM and his activities in this case.
TM and his team were not chosen, they made themselves available in a high profile case just as Ward did in the Holloway case and TM did as well. Again doing things and being paid very well, (at least Ward was)
that was at times, not appropriate, according to other’s in TM profession.
That “beautiful little girl” is still missing and TM and “his team” did not go back and search as they promised they would. TM and his attempt to get the info was of no help and did in fact cause a lot of needless pressure on LE IMO.
As far as MR Brown goes we do not see him on NG or JVM nightly or any here else making huge profits from his involvement in this sad case. The Poly he over saw or requested was done professionally , not at someone’s home with out an attorney. MR Brown has not given every detail on it or even told us what the one question was. He has not released video tapes of the LDT showing the screen and some of the results. TM went way over board doing all of this and it was not done to help LE or this case. IMO As Mr. Brown stated, he respected the client attorney relationships. I am sure he could have promised to help and got anyone of the group to talk to him with out their attorneys present, but he acted ethically. Something the others in this case forgot to do. JMO
October 26th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/02/13/fugitive-fridays
Draw your own conclusions
Feb 12, 2010
I had not heard this show before now.jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 10:20 am
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2011/01/27/levi-page-show
this one is a good show. Dont know how I missed this one either.jmo
draw your own conclusions. jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 11:53 am
I believe Charles Jones because Misty was so quick to call 911. Why would she do this at the risk of being found with Ron cummings? She wanted Charles Jones to appear as a crazed guy driving people off the road, discredit him so no one would believe a word he said. Lisa even said Chales Jones was waiting for Misty just like he said and Misty took off on him to be with Ron. This was all in a jail video where Misty said Ron and she had never really broke up. Its in the one where she tells Lisa she stil loves him. jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
On that last link I can see some simalarity in the woman who was victimized by the rapist and not wanting to testify and Amber, this girl wanted nothing to do with this case. She was bailed out so AH and Cobra could ask her about Ron and she put herself back in jail. That to me says alot about her fear of Ron and not wanting to say anything about Misty or Ron. Then the 911 about them being in the parking lot, now why would this cause fear in this grandmother enough to call 911? jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Yes Tobias I recall that jail video. This is also where Misty blames LE for coming between she and Ronald and that they were finally back together. I think she meant under one roof instead of sneaking around to be with one another. Misty said it was LEs fault for messing it up. Reality of this situation is LE was doing their job. If they had not been out trafficking drugs they would not be behind bars now.Yes LE used this to lean on these players in refrence to Haleighs disapparance. LE said that the drug case was running parallel to Haleighs disappearance.jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/haleigh_cummings/2.html
a great link.jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Tobias, that is a good observation with Amber Brooks. We ever saw Amber in the media. I believe it is vey true about people being very feaful of Rons family.jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
SKB, We know you spoke with Chelsea but did you ever get the chance to speak with Timmy? Curious because she seems to always talk for him and he is kinda like a mystery man hiding in the shadows.
We only hear him in jail phone calls. jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BplfH80wwpc
Terry Shoemaker on JVM jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Thats a lawyer for ya we all know for a fact Ron was cooperating with LE his plea deal proves it.jmo
This just proves you can not believe the lawyers or anything they say. They are not going to tell the truth if it is bad for their client. jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
not cooperating sorry
October 27th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Shoemaker also lied lawyerlike about the time clocks. Sure he said they are digital palm read timeclocks, but we all know for a fact they were regular time clocks (that didnt always work right) before Haleigh went missing. the new clocks went in after…. jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
in the radio show with Charles Jones on it . He mentions that they both he and Ronald shared a good friend and that he was about 7ft away when he heard Ronald ask the guy for a gun. Charles felt it was going to be used as a throw away gun. This was allegedly on the third day of Haleighs disappearance. Now Joe was back in Tennessee at this time,. In a link Marie Griffis said that Ronald said he was 75% sure and that he named Joe as the person . The Geraldo interview was about 3.5 weeks into Haleighs disappearance.Ron denied this to the public and Geraldo. Who was Ron wanting to take out at this time ( the thid day)if Joe was the culprit he believed took/murdered Haleigh ? I dont think he was going to drive to Tennessee.jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
I find it interesting that Charles Jones said he knew Ron for 6 years. I also noted he said the incident with his brother at the sand pits was after Haleigh went missing. Now why was Ron oout there with Misty at the sand pits? Shouldnt they have been looking for Haleigh???? And was this a place to practice firing weapons and running their trucks? jmo
October 27th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
“Have I ever spoken with Timmy?” Yes, I have spoken with Timmy but only for a few minutes via telephone. I’ve never spoken with him face-to-face.
October 28th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Tobias ,I agree that they should have been looking for Haleigh.This was allegedly 3 months into Haleighs disappearnce. Ron had already stopped speaking with LE by this time.I believe from the end of March 2009 until August 2009 Ron, Misty and Rons family were not heard from except for Rons one clip from Snider and Kimball in May 2009.
I was thining about Cheryls post above saying she heard Misty ask Ronald what did you do with IT in the 911 call. This could be very coicidental but in Mistys letter to her relatives alleging Joe is the one responsible for Haleigh disappearance Misty writes “Joe took IT” . Misy did not say her or Haleigh in the letter. I thought what did Joe take. What did she mean by IT? IMO sometimes when a person dies they are not looked at the same way if they were a living body. I felt that perhaps Haleigh was deceased at the time she was removed from that statement. When Misty says IT she means the body? Misty may no longer see her as Haleigh. I hope I explained this well enough. JMO
October 28th, 2011 at 10:40 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJvYaAPaBRU&NR=1
Tommy and his dad Hank Sr.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:15 am
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2010/10/05/levi-page-show
Chelsea Croslin on Levi in October 2010
draw your own conclusions.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:17 am
in link above with Chelsea.
CC says Ronald got the purple altima for Misty for her 17th birthday even though she did not have a license.jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Note: CC says that Jr told her the man in black story by noon on the 10th of Feb,2009.jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
At the 49.? mark iirc CC says she didnt know who she was picking up that day from the school bus.Haleigh and Austin.HMMMMMMM listen carefully.jmo
If Misty and Ron were split to her knowledge and they would be angry if she were to be back with Ronald then why would CC think she might be picking up Haleigh from the bus stop along with Austin? Does this make sense?jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
He also told Crystal so I believe he did see this man in black. It would also explain why the Cummings didnt have Junior in counciling. Crystal went to the court to plea for Junior to get counciling. There is a docket somewhere about it.
LE knows what Junior said so this could also be the reason they kept asking Ron questions about his work hours and checked his phone records. And they kept asking him questions until he refused to cooperate. jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I wonder if its possible that they picked the kids up when Misty was gone? jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
I feel they knew Misty was gonna do what she always did, at this point they probably knew Misty wasnt going to listen to them to stay out of a relationship with Ron. Heck even NayNay knew Misty was going back to him. Ron and Tim evidently were on speaking terms because Chelsea said they talked and Ron gave Tim the 20 he owed him. I dont believe Ron liked Chelsea, big surpriselol she is very very strong willed not a favorite trait for Ron. jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
It is possible that they picked up Haleigh when Misty left Ron. I will look and see if Haleigh was in school that Thursday and Friday.jmo
I recall Ron not wanting Jr in counciling and Crystal having to go through the courts in order for Jr to receive it.jmo
I believe Jr did say and see what he saw. I just dont like Ron and his family going on the today show and media interviews making it look to the whole world that Crystal concocted this story with Geraldo when they knew for a fact that AS already told the media in the first week about this. I guess they thought that no one would remember the media clip that only played once. jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Haleigh had an unexcused absence for that Thursday, but was present on that Friday. AS may have picked Haleigh up on that Friday because iirc it was reported that the kids were with her all weekend.jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Well Haleigh wasnt in school and Misty left that day. Wonder what time she left? Ron needed to go to work at around 4 so it must have been early since he took the MH keys and she moved some of her stuff out. I get the feeling Misty was running around with NayNay and Ron didnt like it.
This is what started the fight not some faked pregnancy and it could be Haleigh told on Misty for being with NayNay. Ron was always at work so Misty probably got bored sitting around all the time. She even wanted NayNay to come over on that Monday. jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
I agree Misty was hanging with NN. We actually see that on the Tuesdy before that Thursday. This is when NN and Misty end up in front of WBGs moms home. WBGs mom invites NN and Misty in and that is when Misty allgedly said according to WBGs mom tht Misty stated she had to meet him.I wonder where the kids were on this day as well. It sounds like to me that Ron and Misty were having problems before this blow up on that Thursday.jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Tobias what do you think about Pat Browns statement relating to the love,fear relationship. I do find this very plausible. I believe Misty loves Ron but yet still greatly fears him and due to the control and intimidation he had over her she could fear for herself and her family.jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Tommy too, the visit with his dad proves this when Tommy recalls Ron being Whacked and shooting at the mirror. In my opinion Ron was more of a threat to his kids than Joe, why did LE allow Ron to still have his guns? He was threatening to kill someone when they got the 911, I feel until Haleigh was found he should not have had a weapon. jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
I have always felt they feared someone much closer than Joe.Good question about the guns. I agree Ron should not have gotten his guns returned to himdue to his statements alone.jmo
October 28th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Tobias, I’m not sure what to think about Ron and Misty’s fight. Nay Nay said it was because Misty told Ron she was pregnant, but Chelsea claimed they were trying to have a baby. They needed a baby like they needed a hole in the head. But, like everything else in this case, there are at least 2 versions, and we’re left trying to figure out who is lying and why.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:48 am
It also could be NayNay didnt want to tell why they really broke up. Ron knew Misty was with NayNay thats why he threw her clothes on her lawn.
NayNay even sid Ron didnt like her any more since he broke up with Amber. Well sure because NayNay knows everything about Ron.jmo
October 29th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Chelsea said she saw the positive PG test in the radio show above. NN said she thought it was MIstys sisters meaning ( Chelsea) because she was PG in her interview with Cobra.NN did not believe Misty was really pg.I cant say what was really going on but it sounds like there was an embroilment already brewing between Ron and Misty before that Thursday.jmo
October 30th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Wonder exactly when this pregnancy was? Was it months or days from the time she broke up with Ron? It would explain aome things if it was weeks or a month before all of this happened. jmo
October 30th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
good point. It would make a difference.jmo
October 31st, 2011 at 2:14 pm
I wonder who Chelsea thinks took Haleigh now? It seems she has changed her opinion on Joe, but hasnt said that Tommy was lying about being there so since he was there and Misty was there, they should know what happened Right? jmo
And SKB have you spoken to Tommy since he has gone to prison? Is he still saying it was Joe? jmo
October 31st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
SKB Will you be putting up the rest of Chelseas interview? I have sen on other sites that they have just about given up on this case ever getting solved or Haleigh being found (her remains) so she can be laid to rest. I wished there would be some news from LE so we would know that they havent just put this on the shelf. jmo
October 31st, 2011 at 5:12 pm
So confusing with the inconsistencies. I was under the impression Chelsea drove Lisa right after the bus stop pick up to Gainesville to stay with Hank in the hospital. She doesn’t mention this or Lisa nor does she mention Lisa leaving Tommy’s with them to go home or driving to Magnolia to pick Lisa up. Did Chelsea go home and then later go back again to get Lisa? Maybe that part is in the unposted transcript of your conversation with Chelsea? Thanks for any clarification.
November 1st, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Maybe Lisa was already at the hospital when Chelsea was at Tommys that day??? But where was Joe? Was he also at the hospital? No mention of where he was at when Chelsea was picking up Tommys kids at 3:36 pm that Monday. jmo
November 1st, 2011 at 5:17 pm
guess we will have to wait for the next edition on Chelseas interview to se what else she told. jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:49 am
In Chelseas statements above Causes me to speculate that when they went to Lisas home to gather things to go to the hospital was on that Saturday night. This would have been the night NN and Misty were with WBG and the Lyndsey from St.Augustine going to the mexicans home. Chelsea talks about the girls showering and getting dressed and made statements alleging they were going to be hooking. I did notice that she does not mention WBG being in Lisas home at this time with the girls.
It sounds like Chelsea was going to be taking Lisa to the hospital where Hank was on that Saturday night. Lisa may have stayed at the hospital and not returned until she had to on Tuesday for the detectives to interrogate Misty because she was under age.jmo
recently we talked about NN dropping off Misty at her brothers home in Pomona Park which due to zoning certain parts are considered to be Crescent City. NN says 4am and then in an article Barb found WBG said he last saw Misty at 4am on Sunday morning. Misty was sexing it up with WBG and doing drugs with him, but by the sounds of it WBG was with NN when dropping off Misty at her brothers which was close by to where the mexicans lived that they were allegedly at with the Lyndsey girl who was doing all the mexicans by herself. NN says that Misty was on the phone in a corner with Ronald and he asked her to bring a condom during this time. Misty allegedly did not go back to Ronalds until that Sunday night. If Misty was so into WBG why would she be on the phone with Ronald and asking NN for a condom when they were still with WBG? Perhaps it is just me but something here dont make much sense,especially since NN said that after Ron took Misty to her brothers home that Thursday and dropped her there and Misty called her to come get her then Misty ran down the road because Ronald had called and said he was coming back. hmmmmm.All IMO
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:50 am
FWIW,
‘What Chelsea does know is that the day Haleigh was reported missing, cousin Joe split for Tennessee; she was beyond exhaustion. “We’d just left Gainesville, dropping (Misty’s mother) Lisa off to be with Hank at the hospital. I’d been up late trying to figure out insurance claims for our car that was wrecked, dealing with an injured father in law and then, we go to sleep and about 4 a.m., and I get a phone call.”
http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/
November 2nd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Something was going on because Haleigh wasnt in school on thursday when Misty took off Right? jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Haleigh missed Monday and Thursday before she went missing. Wonder why she wasnt in school on these days??? jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 12:28 pm
LOL Whats to figure out on the insurance claim? I doubt they had full coverage on an old car and since it was the fault of the other driver why would she need to fill anything out? One phone call to the insurance company telling them what LE dept had this accident on file and who was injured. I have never filled out paperwork for any claim has anyone else? LE will send the insurance company all the info. jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 12:37 pm
My husband was in an accident with his new car (wasnt his fault lol) and we called our insurance person and sent the police report. Done deal. We got 2 estimates and got the car fixed. No paper work involved. jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Catapult thank you for this link.
When you compare these two different statements by Chelsea it is apparent they are totally different.
snippet by me:
What Chelsea does know is that the day Haleigh was reported missing, cousin Joe split for Tennessee; she was beyond exhaustion. âWeâd just left Gainesville, dropping (Mistyâs mother) Lisa off to be with Hank at the hospital. Iâd been up late trying to figure out insurance claims for our car that was wrecked, dealing with an injured father in law and then, we go to sleep and about 4 a.m., and I get a phone call.â
snippet by me from this article here
Mistyâs cell phone. Misty answers the phone or Misty ignores the phone the first few times that he calls. Me and Tim leave the neighborhood to go home and Misty calls back as weâre already pulling out of Buffalo Bluff. And she is like; Iâm down here at Ronaldâs house. Tim is like, why are you there? You know, what are you doing? Why would you go back? And Iâm like in the passenger seat and Iâm yelling at her through the phone and you know I guess her excuse was Ronald said he had no body to watch the kids and he needed somebody to babysit them. Misty told him she didnât want to. She was too tired. She had a long weekend. And he said, you know they werenât together. But just, you know could you do this for the kids?
I also noticed in the link that CC talks about getting the call from Misty at 4am and she said
snipped by me from the link
It was Misty. âI donât usually answer the phone in the middle of the night,â she tells me, âbut I did this time and heard everyone in the background yelling for Haleigh.â
They lay in bed for an hour or so, not sure what to make of it, not wanting to wake up her two girls, close to giving birth to a third. At about 6 a.m., âI woke up Timmy when we realized this was serious. I couldnât imagine anything like this. I just figured sheâs probably hiding in a closet. My kids hide from me all the time. Sometimes Iâll find them in a cabinet. To them, itâs a game.â
CC says they are lying in bed not sure what to make of it.CC says when WE realized it was serious I woke up Timmy. Now who was in that bed with CC debating whether or not this was a serious call about Haleigh if Tim was sleeping cause she had not awaken him yet? I wonder what made them realize it was serious! It had been 2 hours since Mistys call and she heard the people in the background yelling for Haleigh.
Misty is not the only key!jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Misty hand over the clothes they were wearing to police. “Ronald was wearing his company jumpsuit, like a blue work outfit that zipped up the front, and they both went in back and took off everything, including their underwear.”
In the radio show above and on JVM she told us that Rons jumpsuit was black from head to his feet and he had on his black beanie. This is where CC calls Ron the man in black. She said she was told it was navy blue but it looked black to her. It did not look black in her earlier statement above. jmo
November 2nd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
sniopped by me from the link posted by Catapult.
Now dont you all gasp at CC statement:
You’ve got to be nuts to think I’d let some known pedophile near my kids…Then I heard he was saying Timmy was in Satsuma when police drained the Mondex pond, and he’s never left Massachussetts. It’s unbelievable…”
I thought the Croslins said Joe was a child molester. I guess they for got to tell Chelsea.jmo
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:06 am
snipped by me from the link provided by Catapult.
Chelsea on Ronald Cummings:
As for the custody dispute, she calls it a big distraction that took the focus off finding Haleigh–and takes issue with those who accuse Ronald of being an unfit father.
“Even though we’re at odds now, because there’s a lot of stress in the family, I’m not going to lie about it,” Chelsea tells The Bald Truth. “I’ve never seen Ronald hit the kids. He’s a very good Dad, and he’s proved it. How often do you see a father get custody over a mother?”
Even before he began dating Misty, Chelsea would see him at the bus stop with Haleigh, dressed to the nines in matching outfits, “cute little bows in her hair. I was very surprised to see a single Dad be the one to get her dressed up, put her hair up…
“Haleigh was his little Daddy’s girl, completely. It’s true she wanted him to marry Misty, like she’s been saying. Long before she went missing, they’d been pestering her father, Hank, to sign papers to allow it.
“He kept saying no, that you guys haven’t been together long enough. Wait until you’re 18,’ but that’s what Haleigh wanted. She was a very bright little girl, she knew what was going on and loved Misty. She didn’t care for Ron’s other ‘baby mama,’ (Amber Brooks).”
Hank Sr was right about Ron and Misty not being together long enough. They had only been together
4.5 months at the time Haleigh disappeared. How did AS miss Ron dressing Haleigh like a beauty queen before Misty came along?
All imo
November 3rd, 2011 at 12:20 am
snipped by me. This article is from 2009:
hand in hand from the bus stop, and Chelsea says Misty did a fine job watching her kids, too, even if she’d occasionally fall asleep. “The kids were together all the time,” she says.
Think about CC telling her theory on JVM in 2010
CC said that Misty fel asleep and the kids were still up and she probably thought they would just play but she believes when Misty awoke she thinks that Misty found Haleigh deceased by an OD of Rons pills in his drawer in the bedroom and she thinks that was what the 8:30pm call was about between Ron and Misty.
I just found it odd for Chelsea to say even if Misty occassionally fell asleep.jmo
November 3rd, 2011 at 10:21 am
Amber was taking care of the kids when Chelsea first saw Ron and Haleigh. Doubt Ron ever dressed or did Haleighs hair. I also noticed all the pics are just of Ron and Haleigh, whee are the ones with Misty or Amber with Haleigh???? Guess those pics arent important since they dont want to show how they all smiled with Haleigh. jmo
November 4th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
SKB Just wondering when you are going to post more of your interview with Chelsea? So far we have Chelsea giving inconsistant stories. jmo
November 4th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
SKB, I have a question. How does LE change a abuction to a Homicide without any evidence of a death or a victim (body). The shell Harbor search resulted in no evidence or body. According to reports Tommy and Misty both failed LDT about their story so why did they call this a homicide?
jmo
November 4th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
If everything is ever released I think you’ll eventually find out that there is some evidence of a homicide found in the mobile home.
November 4th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
What? You found an inconsistency in any of these folks stories? How surprising. Just kidding.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:54 am
Did LE take the couch for testing? I honestly don’t remember. I do remember them taking a van and a door, and I remember something about a hot water heater closet. Did they give everything back? What about Haleigh’s clothes and blankets? I would guess they asked her teacher what she wore to school and got that, but what about the clothes Misty found…the ones that Misty first reported her wearing. Also, I’ve never been convinced that Haleigh wasn’t at some point, in her own room. Did they get her mattress and sheets and blankets? In Misty’s letter/poem, she wrote about Haleigh being in her room, so it makes me wonder. Misty has never told a consistent story, so I could see her slipping up in a ‘poem’. Oh good Lord, just thinking about that poem, freaks me out. One thing I can say about Ron…when Misty was with him, he did a pretty good job of shielding her. While they were together, he never would have let her put something like that out there. And it makes me wonder why, he was so proactive in protecting her. I know there was a lot of disbelief, when the letters were made public, but I, for one, believe she either wrote them, or dictated them. They convinced me that Misty knows exactly what happened, and was probably there, and knows where Haleigh’s body is. I won’t go so far as to call it a confession, but the girl has been lying through her teeth.
November 5th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I know every single person in this case has lied to the point of just insanity. Not one persons story has stayed as it was from the beginning.
That includes every relative. jmo
November 5th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
I don’t know what LE took out of the trailer. I really don’t believe Misty knows where Haliegh’s body is. There are others who know where it is. I think if I could spend like 60 days non stop on this case I could find her body. But I’ve got to make the mortgage payments and this case doesn’t pay.
November 5th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Hi Steve I think it is working now
November 5th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Thanks I thought it was just me… lol
If I had the funds I would hire you SKB and I would even come down to try and help. I play the lotto every so often with that in mind. jmo
November 5th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I dont believe she knows either or she would have told to get the immunity deal. I believe she knows what happened( through a drugged haze) but nothing about where Haleigh was taken. jmo
November 5th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I dont live that far away only 1 county . I will be more than happy to try and help if needed. jmo
November 5th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I sure wish you could devote 60 days. Funny tho, PCSO has had close to 3 years and have really only said things like how many searches, how many tips, the bio parents aren’t considered suspects and this case is a homicide. And they have been paid all along. Three years. No press conferences since April 2010, no updates, no statements other than they aren’t going to be making any. It’s way past time for some kind of update as I believe they know what happened. Not enough proof. This case being declared a homicide shuts down the Sunshine Law. Why did they release the jail tapes? Because these people were arrested on the drug charges and the Sunshine Law opens after an arrest? I am curious to know who the tip came from. Shouldn’t that be released via the Sunshine Law?
November 5th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
There is a missing possible runaway Patricia E.from Palatka who has been gone for a week and there was only one report in the newspapers down there. They actually put in that she likes to hide in the woods. After that not a thing reported. I did a little research and this girl really needs help. This is also under PCSD why isnt anyone searching for her? I am beginning to feel they are more interested in what makes revenue instead of finding missing people. They also have a misssing woman on their site that has never been found. Good grief. jmo
November 8th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Ok. Where did y’all go?
November 8th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
I am still here every now and then just to see if someone has anything new. I have been going over the You Tube jail house video visits. Misty failed her last LDT around March 30 and Tommy took his LDT around April 5-6 according to the dates on the tapes. Tommy also calims he wasnt asked the important questions which makes me wonder what those questions were? jmo
November 8th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Also on the tapes Hank lets it out that G Hollars was talking to AH and that is the reason she wanted on TV. I have to wonder if he did this for the truth or for ratings???? jmo
November 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am
SKB, Just wondering if you are allowed to tell us what questions Tommy was asked? I dont think you can tell us about whether he was truthful or not but I just wondered why he thought he wasnt asked the right questions? jmo
November 11th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I am here. Been off a couple of days. First due to getting ready for Thanksgiving and yesterday my dog chewed my cord to my laptop and a big blue spark. It blew the circuit breaker. Better the breaker than my lap top .LOL. My husband fixed it for me this morning.jmo
I do wonder about Flo Hollars stories she heard from the Croslins in Satsuma.I wonder if R and M did get into a fight that night and Misty went to hit R with the board but accidentally hit Haleigh instead. Haleigh sustained a bad injury and they gave her oxycontin for pain. Haleigh died due to the combination of the injury and the narcotic. IMO oxycontin being brought out in Haleighs disappearance as early as July 2009 and then in Sept 2009 has significance. IMO I believe that perhaps LE found saliva from Haleigh and there was oxycontin present in her saliva. I do think an OD is possible but I also wonder what if Haleigh was injured and was given this narcotic due to the pain. R and M were already investigated by DCF in the short 4.5 months they were together up to Haleighs disappearance.It could of been over another man that Misty had been with. Just not the night Haleigh disappeared. Perhaps Ron found out about WBG and went crazy on Misty. Ron went back to work to establish his alibi and Misty and others created the cover up.jmo just a thoery
November 11th, 2011 at 11:06 am
oops theory.jmo
November 11th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Ron could have seen the call or text from WBG to Misty, he said he called her that morning (Monday) and she claimed to be at the hospital. Ron may have looked at her phone, jealous guys do those things. jmo
November 11th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
yes they do Tobias. It is vey possible he saw Mistys message from WBG.jmo
November 12th, 2011 at 10:00 am
And I bet that message was wondering when they could meet up again.Ron may have thought they would be meeting that night so this could be motive for his calls and possibly leaving work.
jmo
November 12th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
yes it could have. I believe that is what WBG said it was about. I recall him alluding to thefact of them meeting up on Monday after her visit with her dad at the hospital but he said he never heard back from her since he talked to her that morning and then he said he left Misty a message and never got a call back from her.jmo
November 14th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
SKB will you be putting up the rest of your transcription with Chealsea?
November 14th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
I would also like to see what else she had to offer about that day and the next day. And today I was at the Doctors with my Mom and it was raining out. Aguy walked in with tennis shoes on and boy the squeeked up a storm on the tile floor.
Made me think about what Junior told CS about the man in black having squeeky shoes, they would squeak on the vinyl floor in the kitchen just like on tile. hmmm. jmo
November 14th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Yes, more to come. Sorry but I was in the hospital for a couple of days last week and we’re still trying to figure out what’s going on. Sometime this week I’ll post another blog on Haleigh.
November 14th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Hope you feel better and its nothing serious? Take care and get better. jmo
November 15th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Sorry to hear you are under the weather. Prayers out to you .
November 17th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
We heard NN say that the Croslin women flagged her down one day to ask where WBG lived. They told her that Ron and Hank were out looking for him and that Ron was going to shove 12 inches up him.
Then there was a witness that claims that Ron and his dad Lester Cummings were in a small red truck also in WBGs neighborhood looking for WBG.WBGs mother made a complaint to LE on this when it was brought to her attention.
I would like to know the true reason they were looking for WBG so hard. All of this why they should of have been concentrating on looking for Haleigh.jmo
I also wonder how long Hank Sr kept the info that Ron said he could get Haleigh back for 35,000 before telling that to Tim Miller in August 2009 on a voice mail. I also believe Hank Sr was correct in saying that Tim Miller should have been testing Ron also. All IMO
November 17th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
iirc they went looking for WBG after his interogation/ldt with LE and his interview with AH. Am I remembering this correctly?jmo
November 17th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
http://realitychatter.forumotions.com/t1878p160-ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and-hank-croslin-arrested-on-drug-trafficking-charges
post 3710 tuesday August 10,2010 at 9:58pm. by KHINTX
where is our darling Haleigh? JMO
November 17th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
http://realitychatter.forumotions.com/t187…ficking-charges
august 13 2010 also by KNINTX.
pimping Timmy for Money !! LORDY!
November 17th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
http://realitychatter.forumotions.com/t187…ficking-charges
I like this post august 22 2010 8:43 am. Guns and Drugs
November 17th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
She was sure desperate to get back down to florida to get those belongings. Wonder if she was worried there was some proof of her or Timmys involvement along with those pics Misty had of her and Ron in NY? I know if I were in a situation where I was in danger I would write what I knew in case something happened to me. Coming back for a car that was a wreck doesnt work for me. And she knew alot of people who could pick up personal belongings for safe keeping. Lindsy comes to mind…. jmo
November 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
transcription of Levis show from Sept 8 ,2010
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost….3&postcount=185
November 17th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
I also wondered who took those pictures of the four of them? In one picture TN,Ron , Misty and Crystal are all in the pic so who was working the camera? jmo
November 17th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
good question,Tobias. It could of been a passer by but who knows.jmo
November 18th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
I always wondered why TN and Crystal went when they were not being interviewed on that show. Those picture show alot, mainly the change in clothing etc. notice there are no Haleigh shirts or buttons. This would have been the perfect time to hand out fliers….That show was just to promote their marriage and try to profess their innocents but it backfired big time. jmo
November 18th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
I totally agree with you on this Tobias. I feel the same way. Those pics showed their TRUE selves. These folks have a missing child for goodness sakes. You would have never known by the pics. I dont feel you cant smile or even laugh if you have a missing child but this goes beyond that. Then you have Rons smug self on The Today Show ” saying I was at work” at the most unappropiate time. That answer did not even apply to the question asked. Then Misty admitting she has inconsistencies but after a long pause and looking to Ronald for an answer she said I dont know why.jmo
November 26th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
SKB I hope everything is well for you? We have not heard from you for a while and I wonder if you are going to ever post the rest of Chelseas interview? I guess I will check in periodicly to see if anything gets posted. Thanks, Tobias.
November 26th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
I agree about the I was at work statement being made way too much for someone who clearly cant prove this or he and his lawyer would have from the get go, just like the poly he claimed he passed with flying colors. No way would a lawyer not have solid proof waving it around if it existed. And Ron wouldnt need to constantly need to remind everyone where he was. This is a guy who carried around his paperwork for custody. jmo
November 28th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
So true Tobias!
Mr.Brown hope you had a nice Thanksgiving with your family. I hope you are feeling much better and all is well.
I too will be checking in too see your next article on the transcription.jmo
December 1st, 2011 at 10:48 am
MAYBE HE IS BACK IN THE HOSPITAL? Well I will just check in later. Hope you are doing better SKB, Let us know whats happening every now and then.
December 2nd, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Have a question… Why did Misty lie to media saying Ron and she were back together as of Sunday night? Now we hear from Chelsea that they were not back together. So why would Misty marry Ron after she was broke up with him and his daughter is missing? Maybe because at the time she is looking like the main suspect? And why would Ron marry Misty if they were broke up and not together on that day? And I dont believe the story he gave of the reason or the stat.rape charges, if that was the case WBG would also be in trouble. jmo
December 2nd, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I don’t really have any answers to any of your questions, Tobias. Just recognize that all of those people lie, and you can’t believe what’s coming out of their mouths.
steve
December 3rd, 2011 at 10:05 am
Oh I know I was just putting it out there as a question just to get possible reasons they would lie about such little things. I am glad you arent ill we were all starting to get concerned for you.
Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and I hope you have been able to work. With this economy work is hard to come by. jmo
December 5th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Just latting you know if you havent already heard, Flora Hollars has died. I liked this lady, I believe she really wanted to find out what happened to Haleigh, but I dont believe she knew what really did happen. jmo
December 6th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
I liked Flora Hollars too. I spent several portions of several days with her. Drove her from Palatka to St. Augustine so she could catch the bus back to TN. I will probably post some excerpts of our conversations on here in a few days.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:32 am
hOPE YOU DONT MIND BUT i DONT TWITTER OR BLOG AND WANT SOME OTHERS TO KNOW ABOUT A RADIO SHOW ON TODAY AT 1 DEC.7. COULD BE IMPORTANT BUT ALSO COULD BE JUST ENTERTAINING? THANKS TOBIAS.
YOU CAN DELETE THIS IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO POST THIS.
December 7th, 2011 at 11:48 am
From what I have read on relatives facebooks she was a very good grandmother, even raising several of her grandchildren. I feel if Misty had been left with her she would possibly have turned out better. jmo
December 10th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Tobias that is a good queston. I went to give my perception the oter day but my granddaughter unplugged me right in the middle of it.LOL!
I recall only TN stating that Misty was with Ronald all night working their problems out on that Sunday night 2/8/2009.In Mistys first interview talking about Haleighs blanket smelling of pee. Misty said that she had been gone ALL weekend. Anytime Misty referred to that time frame she always says she was gone all weekend. Misty never says she was back at Rons on Sunday. Chelsea says she last saw Misty on Sunday. Misty said she was not going to put Haleigh to bed with the blanket that smelled like pee so she washed it so therefore speculation is that if Misty had been at Rons on Sunday she would have washed the pee smelling blaket then. Chelsea did not give a time of day, but from what she says she was under the impression that Misty was not with Ron until Monday.jmo
Steve it would be nice to read the excerpts you have from Flo. Tobias I agree Misty may have been better off had she lived with Flo.
jmo
December 10th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
I truely feel Flo wanted Haleigh found. All of what said she got from her family in Satsuma Fl. In all the reasonings of Flos statements there was NEVER a stranger came in and took Haleigh. All of what she said centered around her grandchildren and Ronald.jmo
December 11th, 2011 at 10:44 am
The only time Misty said she was there Monday morning was when she said she made the kids eggs for breakfast, then they drove Haleigh to the school where she walked her into the school.
This is probably one of the inconsistant (LIES) statements she made about that day. LE would know if Misty was at the school if she indeed walked her in. And the pee blanket being washed was easy to check on since washers hold water in their pumps after they are used. (i KNOW THIS AS FACT BECAUSE i TRIED TO MOVE OUT A WASHER AFTER IT WAS USED, WHAT A MESS. lol) jmo
December 13th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Just speculating here but if Misty had been at the mh on Sunday night and Haleigh had wet the bed on Sunday night she would have said so, but Misty was not aware of which night since she had left on that Thursday 2/5/2009 Haleigh wet the bed.
Tobias I so agree about Mistys detailed events of what happened on the Monday morning of the day Haleigh disappeared.Granted she never gave this statement until August 2009. During this time Misty was under supervision of the Cummings family and after the fight with her family on August6 2009.The kids may have had eggs for breakfast but it was not Misty that made those eggs is my bet. Perhaps Katrina,AS and very plausible TN.
Going by Mistys new statement of what happened on the day of 2/9/2009 from Prison. She says they dropped Haleigh at the bus and went and did what they had to do that day. Misty places herself with Ronald. WELL! if Misty was with Ronald all that day then why did TN call Misty to baby sit? Why did Misty tell TN to ask Ronald if it was ok? jmo
December 13th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Ron tells Cobra he dropped Haleigh at the bus stop and picked her up. He refers to being alone at these times. Only problem is that witnesses say that Haleigh did not ride the bus to school that morning from the corner of Tyler and Buffalo Bluff. Witnesses also place Misty as picking up Haleigh;not Ronald.jmo
December 14th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I have always believed the independent witnesses because they have no reason to lie, where others like the Cummings and Croslins do have possible reasons to tell diffent stories, which they have. These people tell it one way then turn around with a completely diffent story the next time they are asked.
Another strange occurance is how did all these people know Misty was even back from her wild weekend? She was with NayNay until very early Sunday morning, Greg Page even said he called her and had no idea she was back with Ron, now why would Misty lie to him? She told him she was at the hospital visiting her dad. Why lie about that???? Greg was nothing to her…..jmo
December 21st, 2011 at 9:35 am
I wonder why LE made this a homicide case when there is no proof of a homicide. No body, blood evidence, or any reason given by them that she is not alive. Do I believe she is alive? No but there is a very slim chance she may be. LE has done this so no independent party can come in to look over the files and evidence, now why would they not want that????? jmo
December 22nd, 2011 at 4:43 pm
I also believe the independant witnesses. No dog in the fight for them.
Good question how everyone knew Misty was back from her wild weekend. TN for one who stated that Ron and Misty were up all night Sunday working out their problems.Chelsea seems to claim she did not know Misty was bac with Ron on Monday much less Sunday.
Speculatin on why Misty would not tell Greg she was back with Ron. Misty may not have known how things were going to be with she and Ron so she wanted to keep WBG in the loop in case she and Ron had no chance of reuniting. just a thought. I dont thik this was the case but a possibility.jmo
Merry Christmas everyone. Sure miss seeing everyone on here.
Mr Brown hope you have not bailed on us. Happy Holidays to you and your familiy.
December 22nd, 2011 at 6:52 pm
No I haven’t bailed. Just been real busy. I spent 3 hours yesterday interviewing a new witness in Haleigh’s case that nobody has known about. Which brings me to this question that maybe you guys can help me with. When is the last verified time that anybody saw Haleigh before she disappeared? I know there’s been some discussion that Annette Sykes was over there that night. Does anybody know what time she was there and who exactly says she was there?
Thanks
Steve
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 am
Well that time keeps changing per A Sykes, first it was at 7 then it went to 7:30. At one point she says in a media interview that WE were there but doesnt say who we was. It was speculated at some point it was Elise (sp)who is I believe Donald Squires ex wife. She was a relative which ever. This also only came out 13 days later when LE was saying Misty was not there and was doped up. AS claimed she was and she appeared to be just fine. Funny how that all changed after Ron was caught dealing. Misty became a raging drug addict in their opinions.All of a sudden it became all her fault from the ones who claimed she was so great at watching the kids.
The AC guy was there but was said to not use the back door and LE has never claimed he saw Haleigh while he was there. jmo
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:29 am
There are a lot of questions about AS story of being there that night. One is why were the kids on a porch eating when it was dark out and cold?
Why did Haleigh not have on a shirt if it was cold? Why did she appear at this late hour with laundry? Why didnt Ron pick up the laundry when they went there to get a clean shirt for her before school? Like AS said I find it all BULL.JMO
December 24th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Another real strange event was AS got rid of her car and bought a new one right after Haleigh went missing. To my knowledge she usually gave her used cars to Ron or a family member but this time it was traded in. Ron got the purple Altima from AS and there was a white car also given to him by AS. There are pics of the old white truck and white car behind the MH on web sleuths, it was said neither ran. But they somehow ended up at AS and TN homes later. jmo